Different intensities of sin

Since its general debates, I want to keep religion out of this. It's a sensitive question so....

What is the difference in child rape and adult rape?

How does age dictate the seriousness of one rape compared to another?

In the US we hear about murders and rapes etc all the time. When it comes to celebrities, children, and politics we seem to perk up but if it was a Jane Do down the street who was a serial killer in her own town, that would slide in severity.

I noticed murders that are political or celebrity or religious oriented get a higher ratings of interest than others. A crime of sexual abuse of a child is different than an adult. And yes, religious get more attention than the club or business down the street with the same allegations.

Morally, what is the difference between the seriousness of crimes in regards to ones age, societal attention, religious affiliation, and/or gender make one murder, rape or abuse worse than another outside these categories?

If there is no difference, can you exaggerate on why and why do you think one group of people are more focused on than another for the same crime as a victim just as his peer.

Unveiled Artist said:

What is the difference in child rape and adult rape?

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Rape is rape.
Does not matter what age.

Rape is rape, illegal (in most jurisdictions) for obvious reasons. Child rape is illegal and also contravenes additional laws,

Celebrity murder is more newsworthy.

Frog said:

Rape is rape.
Does not matter what age.

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Yes...the other part is why is one crime worse than another based age, sex, religion, popularity.

Unveiled Artist said:

What is the difference in child rape and adult rape?

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I can think of several factors involved here.

Adults are presumed to have control over their own lives (however illusory that may be in practical matters) whereas children are automatically assumed to require parenting or supervision.

As such, the raping of a child not only creates a child victim, it also exposes a weakness or lapse in the child's supervision. This may or may not be expressed overtly, but I think that the idea is always in the back of the mind of people reading/hearing about the events.

Another factor at play, however, is victim-blaming so prevalent in Western Society, with respect to women. We see this come out in language, "she dressed provocatively" or "she shouldn't have been in that place" or "she shouldn't have encouraged him" and worse. So, by shifting some of the blame onto the woman, it has the effect of lessening the crime on the perpetrator. Obviously, there are adult male victims of rape, but these are so down-played in society at large? That anytime such events come to light, there is a large fraction of people who ask, "how?" or worse, "was it a 'legitimate' rape?" This has the effect, again, of lessening the impact of adult victims, in contrast to minors.

In contrast, children are seldom place in the same platform-- society doesn't blame the children with nearly as much frequency. Which has the effect of elevating the crime in the eyes of witnesses.

Finally, there is the aspect that children are generally seen as innocent. They have their whole lives before them, etc, and thus, the potential ruin is of a much longer duration (if the child lives to old age).

Post Script: With most humans, there is a very strong instinct to protect children from harm. This is so prevalent, we can easily see it in real world behaviors. For example, a child is lost in a large wooded park. Adults, unrelated to the child, will turn up at the call for volunteer searchers, even if the weather/conditions are quite dangerous. Nobody questions this turn-out-- people just show up to try to find the missing child. I think that's an expression of our basic human instinct to protect minors. That instinct also plays a role in perception of the crime of Rape.

As already noted? Rape is rape, regardless of the age(s).

Bob the Unbeliever said:

I can think of several factors involved here.

Adults are presumed to have control over their own lives (however illusory that may be in practical matters) whereas children are automatically assumed to require parenting or supervision.

As such, the raping of a child not only creates a child victim, it also exposes a weakness or lapse in the child's supervision. This may or may not be expressed overtly, but I think that the idea is always in the back of the mind of people reading/hearing about the events.

Another factor at play, however, is victim-blaming so prevalent in Western Society, with respect to women. We see this come out in language, "she dressed provocatively" or "she shouldn't have been in that place" or "she shouldn't have encouraged him" and worse. So, by shifting some of the blame onto the woman, it has the effect of lessening the crime on the perpetrator. Obviously, there are adult male victims of rape, but these are so down-played in society at large? That anytime such events come to light, there is a large fraction of people who ask, "how?" or worse, "was it a 'legitimate' rape?" This has the effect, again, of lessening the impact of adult victims, in contrast to minors.

In contrast, children are seldom place in the same platform-- society doesn't blame the children with nearly as much frequency. Which has the effect of elevating the crime in the eyes of witnesses.

Finally, there is the aspect that children are generally seen as innocent. They have their whole lives before them, etc, and thus, the potential ruin is of a much longer duration (if the child lives to old age).

Post Script: With most humans, there is a very strong instinct to protect children from harm. This is so prevalent, we can easily see it in real world behaviors. For example, a child is lost in a large wooded park. Adults, unrelated to the child, will turn up at the call for volunteer searchers, even if the weather/conditions are quite dangerous. Nobody questions this turn-out-- people just show up to try to find the missing child. I think that's an expression of our basic human instinct to protect minors. That instinct also plays a role in perception of the crime of Rape.

As already noted? Rape is rape, regardless of the age(s).

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Hmm. Thank you. Very well written. I'm wondering. With politics it sounds like a monkey and "we don't want to look bad" issue. Keep up appearances. Michael Jackson had an interviews about unrelated topics of his crimes. However, each interviewer but one kept bringing up his crimes trying to relate it to the topic discussed. Only one interview kept his crimes out and talked to him like a real person.

I do see how western society protests victims by age and blame. Dressing provocative doesn't cause crime. A gay man and a straight man can be around the same woman but attraction wouldn't cause the rape (or We'd be rapping a lot of people) but his actions. Likewise with pedophilia, the attraction is not the crime. Gay sex means attraction to children as one thought. But, yeah, I can see the age and gender issue.

I'd say we need a lot of education. But then religious views of our society really mask a lot of facts, so.

Unveiled Artist said:

Since its general debates, I want to keep religion out of this. It's a sensitive question so....

What is the difference in child rape and adult rape?

How does age dictate the seriousness of one rape compared to another?

In the US we hear about murders and rapes etc all the time. When it comes to celebrities, children, and politics we seem to perk up but if it was a Jane Do down the street who was a serial killer in her own town, that would slide in severity.

I noticed murders that are political or celebrity or religious oriented get a higher ratings of interest than others. A crime of sexual abuse of a child is different than an adult. And yes, religious get more attention than the club or business down the street with the same allegations.

Morally, what is the difference between the seriousness of crimes in regards to ones age, societal attention, religious affiliation, and/or gender make one murder, rape or abuse worse than another outside these categories?

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IMO it's a matter of who you feel more compassion for. Most folks I suspect feel greater compassion for children that adults. Adults I feel can generally deal with tragedy better than children. I don't know that that's really true though. As I kid I didn't judge that life should be better than it was. I just went through life thinking that though I didn't like it, this was normal. I didn't presume things should be better or different. As an adult, you get these ideas of how life should be better. So you project this onto kids and perhaps feel their suffering more than they do.

Unveiled Artist said:

Since its general debates, I want to keep religion out of this. It's a sensitive question so....

What is the difference in child rape and adult rape?

How does age dictate the seriousness of one rape compared to another?

In the US we hear about murders and rapes etc all the time. When it comes to celebrities, children, and politics we seem to perk up but if it was a Jane Do down the street who was a serial killer in her own town, that would slide in severity.

I noticed murders that are political or celebrity or religious oriented get a higher ratings of interest than others. A crime of sexual abuse of a child is different than an adult. And yes, religious get more attention than the club or business down the street with the same allegations.

Morally, what is the difference between the seriousness of crimes in regards to ones age, societal attention, religious affiliation, and/or gender make one murder, rape or abuse worse than another outside these categories?

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morally those who would pray on the weakest are no more than wild animals pretending to be human.

Unveiled Artist said:

Since its general debates, I want to keep religion out of this.

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In as much as you make sin a principle part of your title "Different intensities of sin" your request here is kind of goofy

What is the difference in child rape and adult rape?

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Gee, could it be age?

How does age dictate the seriousness of one rape compared to another?

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Through laws regrading rape that take age into consideration.

In the US we hear about murders and rapes etc all the time. When it comes to celebrities, children, and politics we seem to perk up but if it was a Jane Do down the street who was a serial killer in her own town, that would slide in severity.

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Okay.

I noticed murders that are political or celebrity or religious oriented get a higher ratings of interest than others. A crime of sexual abuse of a child is different than an adult. And yes, religious get more attention than the club or business down the street with the same allegations.

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Good for you . . . .I guess.

Morally, what is the difference between the seriousness of crimes in regards to ones age, societal attention, religious affiliation, and/or gender make one murder, rape or abuse worse than another outside these categories?

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Sorry, but your strung on question doesn't make sense.

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Quite it with the sarcasm.

Skwim said:

In as much as you make sin a principle part of your title "Different intensities of sin" your request here is kind of goofy

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Sin just means transgression. Something against something else. Breaking the law is a sin. In English it can be used as a slang or idiom that does not relate to religion.

Skwim said:

Gee, could it be age?

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Stop the sarcasm

Explain how crimes very in intensity and moraity based on age not the crime itself

Skwim said:

Through laws regrading rape that take age into consideration

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Yes My question is what makes age a factor of which crime is more serious than the other; and why that crime gets more attention than say a rape of an adult.

Skwim said:

Good for you

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Stop the sarcasm

As commented, I think perhaps it is down to the affects that such assaults have on others, and where it is quite likely to be more severe for a child than for an adult, such that anything they experience at a young age might be much more difficult to overcome than for an adult - and probably have more lasting consequences. Often they will not understand the full implications when young, which perhaps is why so many get involved sexually quite early rather than waiting - but that is aside from the rapes we are discussing. For myself - being sexually abused when younger - this seemed to affect my trust in others and my self-confidence, both of which damaged my life more than the sexual aspect probably.

As with most crimes, I think the affects on the victim should tend to dictate how we see the crime, and since children are inherently more vulnerable and have less abilities than most adults, then we should see such assaults as more serious than for adults. But then rape of an adult is equally bad - but the consequences might not be so bad as for a child - over one's lifespan.

Unveiled Artist said:

Quite it with the sarcasm.

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Why? Do you think you're above it?

Sin just means transgression. Something against something else. Breaking the law is a sin. In English it can be used as a slang or idiom that does not relate to religion.

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No it doesn't "just mean transgression." This isn't to say that "sin" hasn't been appropriated for more secular uses, but on a religious forum such as RF here it's default meaning is a religious one.

Primary definitions of "sin" from over half a dozen dictionaries:

Stop the sarcasm

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Explain how crimes very in intensity and moraity based on age not the crime itself

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They don't vary in intensity based on age.

Yes My question is what makes age a factor of which crime is more serious than the other; and why that crime gets more attention than say a rape of an adult.

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No. Your question was, "How does age dictate the seriousness of one rape compared to another?"

Stop the sarcasm

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Skwim said:

Why? Do you think you're above it?



No it doesn't "just mean transgression." This isn't to say that "sin" hasn't been appropriated for more secular uses, but on a religious forum such as RF here it's default meaning is a religious one.

Primary definitions of "sin" from over half a dozen dictionaries:

sin1
sin/
noun
noun: sin; plural noun: sins
1. an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.

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Definition of sin
a : transgression of the law of God
b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God

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sin
Word forms: sins, sinning, sinned
1. variable noun
Sin or a sin is an action or type of behavior which is believed to break the laws of God.


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sin noun [ C/U ]
us /sɪn/
an act of breaking a religious law, or such acts considered together:

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sin1
noun
1An immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.

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sin 1 (sĭn)
n.
1. A transgression of a religious law, especially when deliberate.
2. Theology
a. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.
b. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience.

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1 sin /ˈsɪn/ noun
plural sins
Learner's definition of SIN
1: an action that is considered to be wrong according to religious law

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They don't vary in intensity based on age.



No. Your question was, "How does age dictate the seriousness of one rape compared to another?"





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Do you do this all the time for fun?

Sounds like you're poking a argument not a debate so cut it.

Unveiled Artist said:

Do you do this all the time for fun?

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You've been here long enough to know my posting style.

Sounds like you're poking a argument not a debate so cut it.

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*sigh* Let me remind you dear Unveiled Artist:


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Skwim said:

You've been here long enough to know my posting style.



*sigh* Let me remind you dear Unveiled Artist:

de·bate
dəˈbāt/

noun
noun: debate; plural noun: debates

1. a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.
an argument about a particular subject, especially one in which many people are involved.

verb
verb: debate; 3rd person present: debates; past tense: debated; past participle: debated; gerund or present participle: debating

1. argue about (a subject), especially in a formal manner.
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You're in a foul mood or something?

Argument has two means in English. You state a fact or opinion, an topic for challenge. The other is a heated exchange between more than one person. A formal debate is present ting an argument (first definition above) or fact meaning to be challenged. Arguments tend to focus on the person. Debates focus on the information presented.

Instead of posting dictionary terms as christians do scripture, cut out the sarcasm and think of the context in your own productive words (assuming you are fluent in English in general) if not, English has exceptions and idioms etc that makes one word or phrase mean one thing but used in a different context another.

So, sin is a word. It could be (copy and pasted didn't feel like editing)

cover a multitude of sins
To conceal things that are unattractive or problematic

Which is not religious in implication

Ugly as sin is another idiom phrase. Another way to say intensities of sin is the serious or stress of a moral transgression or action against something say the law. Sin against the law is another.

Think context. It's not sola dictionitora. That's a Christian thing. English doesn't work that way. It's very contextual.

So cut it with the remarks. Either give a productive reply or ignore it. Period.

Unveiled Artist said:

You're in a foul mood or something?

Argument has two means in English. You state a fact or opinion, an topic for challenge. The other is a heated exchange between more than one person. A formal debate is present ting an argument (first definition above) or fact meaning to be challenged. Arguments tend to focus on the person. Debates focus on the information presented.

Instead of posting dictionary terms as christians do scripture, cut out the sarcasm and think of the context in your own productive words (assuming you are fluent in English in general) if not, English has exceptions and idioms etc that makes one word or phrase mean one thing but used in a different context another.

So, sin is a word. It could be (copy and pasted didn't feel like editing)

cover a multitude of sins
To conceal things that are unattractive or problematic

Which is not religious in implication

Ugly as sin is another idiom phrase. Another way to say intensities of sin is the serious or stress of a moral transgression or action against something say the law. Sin against the law is another.

Think context. It's not sola dictionitora. That's a Christian thing. English doesn't work that way. It's very contextual.

So cut it with the remarks. Either give a productive reply or ignore it. Period.

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Have a good day.

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Unveiled Artist said:

What is the difference in child rape and adult rape?

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I can think of three practical, general kinds of damage that distinguish them. First children have not completely developed their identities, so they are likely to be more impacted, so it may cause developmental problems. Second, children likely do not understand adult relationships and are more likely to be confused about what is happening, so it may cause them confusion about relationships.. Three society exists only if people are willing to support and invest in future generations, so child rape further damages society (beyond adult rape) by harming future generations.

Unveiled Artist said:

How does age dictate the seriousness of one rape compared to another?

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There doesnt seem to be a straight linear corelation but more of a functional corelation. Its going to be more serious depending upon how much vengence is induced - what it takes to calm the harmed and discourage retribution.. The law of justice I suggest exists to soften the vengence, to deaden and heal social hate. The natural impulse is to torture the rapist, enslave them and take other measures, most of which are unjust due to their harshness and cruelty which further create more hate. People love to hate criminals, but that opens doors to more hate and more crime.

Unveiled Artist said:

Morally, what is the difference between the seriousness of crimes in regards to ones age, societal attention, religious affiliation, and/or gender make one murder, rape or abuse worse than another outside these categories?

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You said to exclude religion, so morally it is all about necessity. We cannot have rape and people raping children. Its not Ok. Neither is raping adults Ok. Its not good, so its not moral. Its very dangerous and opens up the gates to the terrible, real face of humanity. Its better to put that harsh real humanity to sleep, to live together in peace, have parties and strolls through the park.

Unveiled Artist said:

Since its general debates, I want to keep religion out of this. It's a sensitive question so....

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Brickjectivity said:

I can think of three practical, general kinds of damage that distinguish them. First children have not completely developed their identities, so they are likely to be more impacted, so it may cause developmental problems. Second, children likely do not understand adult relationships and are more likely to be confused about what is happening, so it may cause them confusion about relationships.. Three society exists only if people are willing to support and invest in future generations, so child rape further damages society (beyond adult rape) by harming future generations.

There doesnt seem to be a straight linear corelation but more of a functional corelation. Its going to be more serious depending upon how much vengence is induced - what it takes to calm the harmed and discourage retribution.. The law of justice I suggest exists to soften the vengence, to deaden and heal social hate. The natural impulse is to torture the rapist, enslave them and take other measures, most of which are unjust due to their harshness and cruelty which further create more hate. People love to hate criminals, but that opens doors to more hate and more crime.

You said to exclude religion, so morally it is all about necessity. We cannot have rape and people raping children. Its not Ok. Neither is raping adults Ok. Its not good, so its not moral. Its very dangerous and opens up the gates to the terrible, real face of humanity. Its better to put that harsh real humanity to sleep, to live together in peace, have parties and strolls through the park.

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To sum it up? Its more about the intensity and result of the rape rather than the action itself?

In other words, people judge the nature of rape by how it physically harms a person rather than the general nature of rape and its harm regardless the sex and age of the victim?

Unveiled Artist said:

To sum it up? Its more about the intensity and result of the rape rather than the action itself?

In other words, people judge the nature of rape by how it physically harms a person rather than the general nature of rape and its harm regardless the sex and age of the victim?

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Yes I think that is how people judge it with two exceptions: there is a shock factor and the crime is ugly. It weighs more on our minds when it looks brutal, when the criminal is ugly, seems undeserving, seems decrepit. Also that is not how the crime is prosecuted. Its prosecution must be just and make things better not worse. It used to be that rape in the US was punishable by death, but this was ended to discourage rapists from killing victims. Also we no longer geld rapists, probably for similar reasons.