Will Man take the next step in Evolution?

Frog · Aug 29, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Huh? What does that mean?

What the **** am I high? jesus ****ing christ.
I said "doesn't mean anything to me" quote from wwestworld.

The Anointed · Aug 29, 2018

Frog said:
Oh course oh course this is known. So are you saying that no major correction need take place on earth? Is everything as it should be? What glories are still left to be attained by one?

It matters not, what major corrections we may make in our future according to our free will, for they have already been made in the eyes of the Omega who is one with the Alpha, who knows everything that you will do in the future according to your own free will.

So sit back, relax and watch the Almighty at work.

Shadow Wolf · Aug 29, 2018

Frog said:
Come on guys, what does this have to do with collective evolution into the theosophic spiritual mind?

We are social animals and building social bonds is a very core principle behind being human, which includes every facet of our existence (including spiritual).

Shadow Wolf · Aug 29, 2018

Frog said:
What the **** am I high? jesus ****ing christ.
I said "doesn't mean anything to me" quote from wwestworld.

You said:

Frog said:
does mean like anything to me

That's not even a sentence.

Earthling · Aug 29, 2018

Shadow Wolf said:
I walk past several Amish homes when I go on walks. There even used to be an Amish furniture factory/place of assembly about 1/4 mile away.

Sounds picturesque but boring as hell if you live there.

Shadow Wolf said:
Where I live, about 1/4 mile away is a tiny whatever with about 2 - 3 dozen houses. There used to be a Marathon station, many years ago, as it sits along a highway, and even a restaurant, but that is now a house (the Marathon station was restored to look like an old Shell Station). And I can show you where Tin Cup is, a super itty bitty whatever with not even 1 dozen houses.
This has been my life, pretty much always, and I'm moving to California next week, working my way towards being near LA.

Very nice. You will have to keep us updated regarding this extreme transition.

Shadow Wolf said:
It would probably depend on the curriculum and overall environment. The cirriculum I was exposed to justified aparthied Africa, taught very rigid gender roles, and was so Southern that in these little comic thingies the white characters and black characters very rarely (if ever) interacted with each other. Lots of other things too that are just so Conservative and so very literalist that I realized many years later after I left how that form of Christianity doesn't see the forest for the trees, and they aren't seeing much of the trees either because that might incite pagan god worship. As for the home school group itself, not only did they demonize Harry Potter even Pokemon was straight from the hands of the devil because Pokemon evolve and evolution isn't true and is a direct affront to what the Bible teaches is true and the goal of the game is to be a Pokemon master but that is blasphemous because the Bible says that the only master is Jesus.

I know the type. The Jehovah's Witnesses used to warn me against the ever present dangers of the Smurfs. The thing about non JW sects and pagan fears is that typically the non-religious pagan stuff they were morbidly afraid of was relatively harmless while the pagan influence within their own questionable teachings and history were the stuff they should have been looking out for.

Shadow Wolf said:
That was me. I look pissed off and like I'm about to kill someone in all my school pictures, and not even half an episode of 13 Reasons had me remembering why.

I seldom showed up on picture day. I came across an old yearbook of mine online with one in it and I looked like a pissed off doofus.

Shadow Wolf said:
It was not you I was poking at. Your views are here on Earth and not on the Moon.

Oh! Well, there's a fine line between the Moon and Earth when it comes to beliefs in the eyes of the unbeliever, I would think. You must be referring to the Philosophical Frog. I like reading his stuff.

Earthling · Aug 29, 2018

Frog said:
What the **** am I high? jesus ****ing christ.
I said "doesn't mean anything to me" quote from wwestworld.

Ah, I see. I was thinking that might have been what you meant, but I wasn't sure. I have no idea what wwestworld is.

Shadow Wolf · Aug 29, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Sounds picturesque but boring as hell if you live there.

It is exactly that. Good enough to spend some time outside with an easel and paint or draw, but the most exciting thing to do is pet the cows and horses.

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I know the type. The Jehovah's Witnesses used to warn me against the ever present dangers of the Smurfs. The think about non JW sects and pagan fears is that typically the non-religious pagan stuff they were morbidly afraid of was relatively harmless while the pagan influence within their own questionable teachings and history were the stuff they should have been looking out for.

Just replace JW and Southern Baptist and my experience is pretty much the same.

Subduction Zone · Aug 29, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Lots of things are demonstrable. Evolution isn't finished, though it should have been and is often wrongly presented as such. You can take any accumulation of data and demonstrate it, then revise it, again, and again. That's nothing special.

I see that you have no clue what you are arguing against. Only the terribly ignorant think that evolution should be finished or that it is. Where did you get that idea?

Is that demonstrable? The question which I asked you, which you ignored in true arrogant atheist fashion, was who cares? What is the significance of it? If science prescribed the notion that we were once machines that grew and harvested our internal organs from retarded fish squirrels what good would it do us to be acquainted with that knowledge? The awareness of a propensity to gather nuts in the fall graduated into unbridled materialism? That sort of speculation is trivial and changes often.

Modern medicine relies heavily upon evolution. It is applied in many ways that you do not appreciate. For example paleontology, which relies heavily on evolution is used in oil exploration. Just because you can't apply the sciences does not mean that others can't. People politely ignoring your ignorance mixed with arrogance is not an example of them being arrogant.

[Laughs] You must be an extremely frightened individual.

And I knew you'd dishonest fearsome come out. Once again a person that is not afraid would be able to debate properly. You have failed in your first attempt.

Not with you. You had your chance. You were dishonest, arrogant, with a stupid atheist agenda.

Wrong again. You were the one that could not debate honestly and ran away in an amazingly cowardly fashion. You tried to bring God into the debate and did not like it when I explained to you that the existence or nonexistence of a god need not matter.

Kangaroo Feathers · Aug 29, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Lots of things are demonstrable. Evolution isn't finished, though it should have been and is often wrongly presented as such. You can take any accumulation of data and demonstrate it, then revise it, again, and again. That's nothing special.

Is that demonstrable? The question which I asked you, which you ignored in true arrogant atheist fashion, was who cares? What is the significance of it? If science prescribed the notion that we were once machines that grew and harvested our internal organs from retarded fish squirrels what good would it do us to be acquainted with that knowledge? The awareness of a propensity to gather nuts in the fall graduated into unbridled materialism? That sort of speculation is trivial and changes often.

[Laughs] You must be an extremely frightened individual.

Not with you. You had your chance. You were dishonest, arrogant, with a stupid atheist agenda.

Evolution doesn't "finish".

Earthling · Aug 29, 2018

Kangaroo Feathers said:
Evolution doesn't "finish".

Did I not say that? Is that not exactly my own words? Evolution isn't finished, I said.

Earthling · Aug 29, 2018

Subduction Zone said:
I see that you have no clue what you are arguing against.

I'm not really arguing against or for anything. We are having a discussion.

Subduction Zone said:
Only the terribly ignorant think that evolution should be finished or that it is. Where did you get that idea?

Must have been the terribly ignorant. Though, what I said was, evolution isn't finished, though it should be. It is often presented as if it were. Don't get all bent out of shape religious on me, evolutionist. Of course only the terribly ignorant would dare blaspheme your beliefs in evolution.

Subduction Zone said:
Modern medicine relies heavily upon evolution. It is applied in many ways that you do not appreciate. For example paleontology, which relies heavily on evolution is used in oil exploration. Just because you can't apply the sciences does not mean that others can't. People politely ignoring your ignorance mixed with arrogance is not an example of them being arrogant.

No, those are the people out there doing science and attributing it to evolution just like the alchemists and astronomers did in the past. The arrogant are the atheists who say things like "Only the terribly ignorant would disagree with evolution." Dogmatic. Pious. Scruffy old half mad wankers in long white lab coats scared as hell they will be locked out of the status quo. Unpublished and without tenure in an increasingly tyrannical academia. Boring. Old school. Nearly extinct. Metaphysical Experiment. Conjecture. Speculation. Nonsensical.

Subduction Zone said:
And I knew you'd dishonest fearsome come out. Once again a person that is not afraid would be able to debate properly. You have failed in your first attempt.

No I didn't. You did. And if I gave you the opportunity again, you would do so again.

Subduction Zone said:
Wrong again. You were the one that could not debate honestly and ran away in an amazingly cowardly fashion. You tried to bring God into the debate and did not like it when I explained to you that the existence or nonexistence of a god need not matter.

No. I went to your thread and asked politely for you to teach me with the simple and plain stipulation that we not mention God. You agreed and immediately started preaching God from an idiot atheistic agenda perspective and I told you to **** off. Then you made up the part about you not doing that and me losing a debate I had no interest or intention of participating in. You know this but you are being dishonest. YOU.

Subduction Zone · Aug 29, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I'm not really arguing against or for anything. We are having a discussion.

That is somewhat correct. When it comes to the theory of evolution there is no debate any longer debate, only correction.

Must have been the terribly ignorant. Though, what I said was, evolution isn't finished, though it should be. It is often presented as if it were. Don't get all bent out of shape religious on me, evolutionist. Of course only the terribly ignorant would dare blaspheme your beliefs in evolution.

No one has ever presented evolution as if it were done. It appears that the fault was with you. And watch the false accusations. Once again, why do you think evolution should be finished?

it appears that you think that there is a goal to evolution. That is an error.

No, those are the people out there doing science and attributing it to evolution just like the alchemists and astronomers did in the past. The arrogant are the atheists who say things like "Only the terribly ignorant would disagree with evolution." Dogmatic. Pious. Scruffy old half mad wankers in long white lab coats scared as hell they will be locked out of the status quo. Unpublished and without tenure in an increasingly tyrannical academia. Boring. Old school. Nearly extinct. Metaphysical Experiment. Conjecture. Speculation. Nonsensical.

Now you are breaking the Ninth Commandment. You are also making the error of assuming that you are correct. Let's try to be polite.

No I didn't. You did. And if I gave you the opportunity again, you would do so again.

Wrong again. At best this is cognitive dissonance on your part. Try to let go of your fear.

No. I went to your thread and asked politely for you to teach me with the simple and plain stipulation that we not mention God. You agreed and immediately started preaching God from an idiot atheistic agenda perspective and I told you to **** off. Then you made up the part about you not doing that and me losing a debate I had no interest or intention of participating in. You know this but you are being dishonest. YOU.

Nope, you were arrogant, rude, and wrong. A very bad combination and refused to learn. And I did not preach and let's not forget who can't reason in this discussion. I did not preach God. Not did I do so from an atheistic perspective. I even gave you examples of other Christians that accept reality. You got mad because your fantasy was threatened. The only dishonesty came from you.

David T · Aug 29, 2018

Shadow Wolf said:
I think you misunderstand evolution because it is a constantly on-going process. We are evolving. And also there is no linear direction for evolution. This idea of an "evolutionary step that transcends us being animals" isn't going to happen because we are mammals.
And do know that even early homo sapiens fought against themselves, but not only that they fought against other humanoid hominids such as the neanderthal.
We are also incredibly fragile, and with a simple tiny bug too small for the eye to see our entire civilization can be undone (as has happened in the past).

That gives me hope!!!!

There are stories rising up from pre literate aboriginal culture about huge global die offs in the human and animal population.. Granted their sense of global was small but none the less.....

I just read about the great barrier reef. Its "goodbye reef nice knowing you, sorry bout that". An expert on the reef expects it to cease to exist.

I think we may avoid catastrophic eruptions, massive astroids , and just end up causing our own extinction!!! Literacy, and the intellect, seem dumb. And a bit self important. !!!!

I should photoshop a pack of tesla cars driving off a cliff like lemmings.

Kangaroo Feathers · Aug 29, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Did I not say that? Is that not exactly my own words? Evolution isn't finished, I said.

Then you said "though it should have". But evolution doesn't finish, nor "should" it.

Shadow Wolf · Aug 29, 2018

Kangaroo Feathers said:
Then you said "though it should have". But evolution doesn't finish, nor "should" it.

Evolution will end when the Cosmos has said the time has come. But it will continue unabridged until such a time.

Kangaroo Feathers · Aug 29, 2018

Shadow Wolf said:
Evolution will end when the Cosmos has said the time has come. But it will continue unabridged until such a time.

[Insert mandatory argument about post transcendence here][/]

Dan From Smithville · Aug 31, 2018

Frog said:
False, the nature of our lives can change significantly based on our methods of thinking.
If a ladybug starts living in trees instead of on the Forrest floor it becomes a new species.

Think like an animal and you will act like an animal.

If turtles started wearing suits and hold canes next week I am sure scientists would be baffled and say that it was a miraculous display of natures evolution.

Its false to narrow your thinking to which display of qualities constitutes it for an evolutionary process. For instant a spontaneous growth of a 6th finger or a set of wings would definitely be evolutionary. But if the mind does this it is not noticed? If the mind improves the conditions in which its host lives than is that not an evolutionary human achievement? If the mind can now compared to the past rationalize and understand phenomena that is beyond the scope of past generations is that not an evolutionary achievement?

If man can transcend himself by applying his mind is that not an achievement? He will have to do it collectively because 1 man is insignificant.

It could have been done already and we are just a spawning ground for the elites who has technologically evolved off our planet. Would explain the frequent case of Ufos in the sky and this talk of secret societies.

Human or alien is hard to say.

If turtles did that, it would falsify the theory of evolution

Shadow Wolf said:
Now I don't think, I know you don't understand evolution.

After reading through much of this thread, I find your post to be the most salient and telling summary. Frogs ideas are an incoherent mix of biology, philosophy and speculation.

If turtles did as Frog suggests, it would falsify the theory of evolution and leave much of biology at a loss.

Dan From Smithville · Aug 31, 2018

Subduction Zone said:
Then in the nature of this thread: I have purple wings and can fly. How does that figure in your next step of evolution?

If I buy into that, will it become manifest in our reality? According to recent comments, it should. Sorry SZ, I'm not going to wait for your metamorphosis.

Dan From Smithville · Aug 31, 2018

Frog said:
If we understand the laws of nature and live with them instead of by them as most are now. If we stop becoming animals and become an aware spiritual being. The gates to Gods garden reopen.

I'm uncertain what you mean here. We are subject to the physical laws of nature. In a very real way, we already live with them and under them at the same time.

Dan From Smithville · Aug 31, 2018

Frog said:
As an animal superior in the areas that needth it be we have risen above from being taken to being the taker on the earthly plane. Man who used to face tiger or wolf is now faced with a much superior creature that matches him in all respects and on every level.
Himself.

Man fights now with man, but with the rebirth of civilization man has become civil unto his fellow co-occupants on this materialistic plane.

What then? The rising above of man from these two planes of existence may not be considered to many as major steps in the evolutionary cycle of man but that is an understatement.

You see, our minds which cannot evolve biologically but rather collectively (whole, think ant-farm) is the obstacle now preventing us from completion of our evolutionary process.

We fell to earth and have been evolving ever since. Trying to escape this material encapsulation we find our spirits trapped in.

We have several ways to take the next step and those are the training of our minds through the arts, (philosophy,science, religion,).

When all three and united and understood to perfection all peoples will live under the umbrella of truth and evolve to the next step in our evolution.

Its left to be seen if enough people will transcend the animal mind into the spiritual mind before the earth is devastated by nuclear destruction.

The universe is mental. We needs to use our minds to evolve past our minds or else we will be stuck in this progression forever.

World thought has to change towards a spiritual nature. Not religious or overly rational. But true and spiritual

You are not really talking about biological evolution then. Biological evolution is not a vehicle taking us to some pre-determined or possible higher state. It is driven by natural selection acting on genetic variation and evolution goes the direction that natural selection takes it. There are other drivers, but natural selection is the most prominent. What you are describing is intellectual, cultural and, for lack of a better term, spiritual change. And you are suggesting it is to be changed by man using education and training. That is not biological evolution.

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