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Bad For Jews in the UK?

Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
MrMrdevincamus said:
God is dealing with it, why do you think Israel has never lost a war against the Arab nations despite being massively out gunned and out manned? Sadly its going to get worse. The Arabs and those supporting them will fail in the next attack against Israel, an' its going to be messy~
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Better training. For example IDF Tankers could out-range Arab forces by a good mile outside the Arabs combat engagement range of their MBT with it's marksmen training programs. This kills a mobility advantage hence why the Arabs started digging in their tank forces as static emplacements. Arab top leadership was incompetent for the most part as well.
 
Ellen Brown

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
MrMrdevincamus said:
God is dealing with it, why do you think Israel has never lost a war against the Arab nations despite being massively out gunned and out manned? Sadly its going to get worse. The Arabs and those supporting them will fail in the next attack against Israel, an' its going to be messy~
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Ya know what? I actually admire Israel and the Jews, but seeing what goes on in GAZA and elsewhere is painful for me to watch. And, why do the very angry not stop attacking Israel? Meanwhile, many of the Jews I have approached, have been snotty and mean, worse than my three big brothers, and it has hurt my feelings several times. Of course these mean Jews are so superior... Genesis 16 doesn't help. So, G_d created a people to be at war with everyone else? To what purpose and how does he justify that?

This "not understanding" is painful, and how do I look up to and obey a G_d that seems so mean? Christians lamely try to explain that this is the sin nature that we war against. It has been a very long time since I simply laid on my bed and wept because it all seemed so awful. Is that the only option left now?
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
MrMrdevincamus said:
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All one needs is a general knowledge of history to recognize a new world wide emergence of antisemitism. This 'new' antisemitism usually expresses itself as 'Israel hate'. The perps are too fearful of clearly stating they hate Jews, because the holocaust still is too horrific, and thus unpopular to be used by the haters. But the leftist media has made hating Israel popular. So if you are despise Israel you can hate the Jews incognito and still be cool and popular! Even in this forum the majority of members seem to express an vague anti-Israel/Jewish sentiment. Our forum is just a microcosm of the worlds population isn't it? Think about it.

I think the worlds non-Jewish population is being prepared by the media to dislike the Jewish people via using 'anti-Israel propaganda'. One only needs to remember the massive anti Jewish propaganda 1930's and 40's era to see the same thing happening today, however its just getting started and fairly mild in content. In the WW2 era it wasn't Progressive Leftist Media dehumanizing the Jewish people, it was the National socialists etc. Lets pray the result will not be the same.
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More hysteria.

Or perhaps a deliberate ploy, to claim immunity from criticism of the (highly questionable) policies of the Israeli government.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
MrMrdevincamus said:
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All one needs is a general knowledge of history to recognize a new world wide emergence of antisemitism. This 'new' antisemitism usually expresses itself as 'Israel hate'.
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I think you have identified the elephant in the room.

I am a Jew and a Zionist. It is not as if there is no room for criticism of Israel. There are things Israel does that seriously alarms me. I am a Zionist with a conscience.

But this stuff about Zionism being Nazism and Apartheid? It's just anti-Semitism dressed up in left-wing political correctness.

Again, Israel should not be held to a higher standard than any other nation or group. One standard for all people.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Honestly, even the Arab states have less patience with the Palestinian cause than the European left. For example, Egypt has told the Palestinians in no uncertain terms that they should let Ramallah be the capital of any future Palestinian state.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I haven't read every page, but just in case no one has posted it yet, here is the accepted definition of anti-Semitism, as worked out by the IHRA, adopted by the EU, as well as by Labour's sister parties on the continent:

· Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

· Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg, by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour.

· Applying double standards by requiring of it a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

· Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (eg, claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterise Israel or Israelis.

· Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

· Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
IndigoChild5559 said:
I think you have identified the elephant in the room.

I am a Jew and a Zionist. It is not as if there is no room for criticism of Israel. There are things Israel does that seriously alarms me. I am a Zionist with a conscience.

But this stuff about Zionism being Nazism and Apartheid? It's just anti-Semitism dressed up in left-wing political correctness.

Again, Israel should not be held to a higher standard than any other nation or group. One standard for all people.
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Is Zionism widely "equated with Nazism and apartheid"? I don't believe so. However, polices that turn Arab citizens of Israel into second class ones ARE like apartheid and policies by which Arabs are turned out of their own land to allow Jewish settlers to move in ARE reminiscent of the nazis. I am sure one can be a Zionist without supporting policies like these.
 
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Desert Snake

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Jews, some are nice, others not. Sort of like English people. I guess the difference, is that, being English isn't considered a religion, and they have a monarchy.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
exchemist said:
Is Zionism widely "equated with Nazism and apartheid"? I don't believe so. However, polices that turn Arab citizens of Israel into second class ones ARE like apartheid and policies by which Arabs are turned out of their own land to allow Jewish settlers to move in ARE reminiscent of the nazis. I am sure one can be a Zionist without supporting policies like these.
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Any treatment of Arab-Israelis as second class citizens, and the illegal confiscation of Palestinian land to build settlements, are two of the things which distress me. As I said, I'm a Zionist with a conscience. I would not, however, equate these things with Nazism, and to do so is a form of anti-Semitism. Furthermore, you are incorrect when you say that Zionism is not de facto considered Nazism, even if you do not embrace those policies. Palestinians equate it thusly all the time, even though its ludicrous. Even if you are a Jew and NOT a Zionist, they will call you a Nazi. I've seen this up close and personal. It's a very odd opinion coming from individuals who will in the very next sentence shout "Jews into the ovens!" BTW, they wait until the media has left to say these things.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
kiwimac said:
Anti-Zionism =/= anti-semitism although you might be forgiven for thinking it does.
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You are correct. However, anti-zionism CAN be anti-Semitism when certain things also exist, such as if it applies a double standard of behavior, (meaning a higher standard for Israel) or if it compares Israel to Nazi Germany, etc.
 
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