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proof of the true God?

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
............. Things change so we don't know what will happen in life; dont take things for granted just because you have faith that foundations are static (you wont fall at all).
Which means god is not static, jesus isnt, everything changes....................

I have faith that the foundations of the Earth will Not be shaken as promised at Psalms 104:5.
Sure we don't know what will happen in life as King Solomon observed at Ecclesiastes 9:11
Time and unforseen happenings befall all of us.
But, besides Earth abiding forever as God's Word says at Ecclesiastes 1:4B so will people.
Humble meek people will inherit the Earth, meaning that there are people who can gain everlasting life on Earth.
Eternal life on Earth beginning with calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I read it. Faith not being shaken means its fix; its static; it does not change.

Its not a bad thing; thats just opposite of what The Dharma and life itself teaches. Its a difference. I believe you are wrong; life always change but people like solid foundations.

The rest I see no relationship to what I said at all.

I have faith that the foundations of the Earth will Not be shaken as promised at Psalms 104:5.
Sure we don't know what will happen in life as King Solomon observed at Ecclesiastes 9:11
Time and unforseen happenings befall all of us.
But, besides Earth abiding forever as God's Word says at Ecclesiastes 1:4B so will people.
Humble meek people will inherit the Earth, meaning that there are people who can gain everlasting life on Earth.
Eternal life on Earth beginning with calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
First, I find Eve was Not blamed , but Adam was.
The slavery of old was Not the same as the slave-trade business of the Old South.
Woman were made in God's image. Man and women were to co-operate, Not compete, with each other.
The Old Law said to 'honor' mother...
Pregnant women where given honorable consideration at Exodus chapter 21.

Women could obtain a field, vineyard, besides run her own business - Proverbs 31:11; Proverbs 31:16-19.
Women could run a profitable business - Proverbs 31:24.
Women had a personal relationship with God such as Hannah did at 1 Samuel 1:11; 1 Samuel 1:24-28.
The woman of 2 Kings 4:22-25 consulted Elisha on Sabbath days.
Men did seek advice from Deborah and Huldah (women) as per Judges 4:4-8; 2 Kings 22:14-16; 2 Kings 14:20.
Women were included to education about the Law - Deuteronomy 31:12; Nehemiah 8:2; Nehemiah 8:8.
Women served at the tabernacle as per Exodus 38:1; 1 Chronicles 25:5-6
Women were to share in educating male children - Proverbs 31:1.
Children were Not to forsake the law of the mother as per Proverbs 1:8.
The woman who was unfairly treated, God stepped in at 2 Kings 4:1-7.
Women could inherit even if No sons were in the family - Numbers 27:1-8.
Jesus did Not treat women as inferior. Remember the Woman at the Well.
Older woman treated as mothers, and younger women as sisters - 1 Timothy 5:2.
Women's place was Not just for the kitchen - Luke 10:38-42.
Jesus chose ' women ' to bear witness to his resurrection first.
Husbands are to assign honor to their wives 1 Peter 3:7; Genesis 21:12.

The ' promised land ' area was promised by God so that land was under His regulations.
The Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18 also applied to foreigners - Leviticus 19:33-34.
The Gibeonites chose to accept God's regulations and they could stay in the promised land.
Those who were executed (not murdered) were for the sake of justice for the righteous.

We have discussed all of this.

Women are secondary in the Abrahamic religions. Telling a slave she is a good mother, so you kids treat her right, does not make her less a slave.

Yes women could inherit a small portion. Usually it went to a related male. The verse you are using is about a special condition in a war in Israel. There are no males to get their tribal lands, so the women are told they can inherit the land.

Num 26:2 Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, from twenty years old and upward, throughout their fathers' house, all that are able to go to war in Israel.

Num 26:53 Unto these the land shall be divided for an inheritance according to the number of names.

Num 27:3 Our father died in the wilderness, and he was not in the company of them that gathered themselves together against the LORD in the company of Korah; but died in his own sin, and had no sons.

Num 27:4 Why should the name of our father be done away from among his family, because he hath no son? Give unto us therefore a possession/LAND among the brethren of our father.
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Slavery WAS exactly like slavery in the south - as they could beat, breed, and keep slaves forever. Only Hebrew indentured servants had to be set free.

Lev 25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

Lev 25:46 And you shall take them for inheritance to your sons after you, to hold for a possession; you may enslave them forever. But on your brothers, the sons of Israel, one over another, you shall not rule over him with severity.
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You think 21:22 is consideration of pregnant women? Women and children were property of the male. If the broodmare lives (to pump out more kids) - and only the fetus dies, - the male causing the damage to the property is fined. If the broodmare dies, more loss = more payment/judgment..

Exo 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
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Also - pregnant women could be forced into abortions if their husbands thought they were unfaithful.

Num 5:12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,

Num 5:13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;

Num 5:14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:

Num 5:15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

Num 5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:

Num 5:17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:

Num 5:18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:

Num 5:19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:

Num 5:20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

Num 5:21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

Num 5:22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

Interesting, yes? Forced abortion.

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Muffled

Jesus in me
I have faith that the foundations of the Earth will Not be shaken as promised at Psalms 104:5.
Sure we don't know what will happen in life as King Solomon observed at Ecclesiastes 9:11
Time and unforseen happenings befall all of us.
But, besides Earth abiding forever as God's Word says at Ecclesiastes 1:4B so will people.
Humble meek people will inherit the Earth, meaning that there are people who can gain everlasting life on Earth.
Eternal life on Earth beginning with calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.

I believe Jesus agrees that the earth will end. Scientists estimate somewhere around 50 billion years from now. I have an ongoing controversy with my Pastor that forever does not necessarily mean never end but can simply mean no time at all or such a gargantuan amount of time that one might think of it as forever.
 

DPMartin

Member
There are no proofs of God, which is why God requires faith.

However there are some very powerful arguments from one.
The first cause argument.
The teleological argument.
The argument from morality.
The prime mover argument.
The miracle argument.
The argument from contingency.
etc...

Did you want to discuss one of them?

what about revelation of God, His Spirt, His Word?
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
What or where is the proof of the true God, the Creator and Judge, the Living God, the Most High who lives forever and ever?

One of the proofs that there is a creator is that man did not create himself. Another, greater than man did cause him to come into being. The design, the coordination and organisation and cooperation between the organs are signs of a far superior intelligence than evolution can provide unless programmed.

If one leaves brick and mortar, in short all the basic building materials for a house outside for one hundred centuries, a house will never be built without a builder.
 

DPMartin

Member
One of the proofs that there is a creator is that man did not create himself. Another, greater than man did cause him to come into being. The design, the coordination and organisation and cooperation between the organs are signs of a far superior intelligence than evolution can provide unless programmed.

If one leaves brick and mortar, in short all the basic building materials for a house outside for one hundred centuries, a house will never be built without a builder.


is your reasoning but not a proof or a lead to the proof. many see that the cosmos is the reason you are.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
is your reasoning but not a proof or a lead to the proof. many see that the cosmos is the reason you are.

What kind of proof are you seeking?

Are you saying that it’s impossible that there is a far greater intelligence than us in all existence?
 

DPMartin

Member
What kind of proof are you seeking?

Are you saying that it’s impossible that there is a far greater intelligence than us in all existence?


it would seem there is not kind of proof, there is proof and there is no proof. and what I'm saying is what you think or reasoning or as some like "logic" isn't proof.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
it would seem there is not kind of proof, there is proof and there is no proof. and what I'm saying is what you think or reasoning or as some like "logic" isn't proof.

We know the sun exists by its light, by its signs. But a blind person may deny its existence due to lack of vision.

We know love exists how? Show me where it is. What is its form and substance? Yet no one denies it exists but it is intangible.

There are tangible realities visible to the naked eye and intangible realities only visible upon reflection. How do we know anger exists! By its signs.

God too is known by His signs but is not a physical reality but one perceived by the inner powers such as insight.

Ignorance cannot exist without knowledge for ignorance is lack of knowledge. Darkness is absence of light. A shadow cannot exist without light.

Imperfection presuppose perfection . Without perfection, imperfection could not be imagined.

The question of God or a Creator can only be resolved by the individual themselves not by someone else. No matter how much I tell you chocolate is delicious or lemon is bitter you would not know it’s taste until you had tasted it yourself.

Until one comes to know God themselves of course they will deny He exists.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Please keep in mind that Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21 have two (2) fulfillments:
* The ' minor ' fulfillment ( generation ) came in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed un-faithful Jerusalem.
* The MAJOR fullillment ( generation ) is for our day or the now time frame of Revelation 1:10.
I find that Matthew 24:14 and Acts of the Apostles 1:8 was Not fulfilled in the first century.
We are still asked to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come.
Jesus will Not come in kingdom glory time of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 until the international preaching work is done.
Never before in history has mankind been able to reach remote areas of Earth as being globally done today.
Modern technology has made possible rapid Bible translation possible so that remote translation offices can now quickly translate Scripture into people's mother tongues or native languages on location.
So, we are at the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14; Daniel 2:44.
What is left is the ' final signal ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (the powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security.... " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

Its not being done globally actually its being done less. I know China itself has started making it harder for Christians to have curc, and they have to worship in houses, but now they say they are being ahrder for churches to exist there.

Most likely parts of China have not been reached for Christ and there's been quite a few places like India as well who have made it harder for Christians too sorry.

Sense churches attendance is going down down there will be eventually many churches closing as well.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
The Baha'i Faith, and I believe Buddhism. Buddhism was present in Rome at the time of Christ.



The question whether the Bible is always right nor always wrong, is not the right question.


The bible has not been preached all over the world. BTW for you who say it has, quite a few of the missionaries who have been credited as Christian spreading their gospel in a lot of places are Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses. So if you sue statistics that claim Christians are spreading the word your also using stats that claim JWs and Mormons are too.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The bible has not been preached all over the world. BTW for you who say it has, quite a few of the missionaries who have been credited as Christian spreading their gospel in a lot of places are Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses. So if you sue statistics that claim Christians are spreading the word your also using stats that claim JWs and Mormons are too.

You did not answer my post, and nonetheless

The teaching of the message around the world did not involve JW nor Mormons. It involved the Roman, Orthodox and Protestant churches.
 

Jane.Doe

Active Member
You did not answer my post, and nonetheless

The teaching of the message around the world did not involve JW nor Mormons. It involved the Roman, Orthodox and Protestant churches.
LDS and JW preach the Bible around the world. They may have different interpretations, just as Protestants have different interpretations vs RCC vs Orthodox, etc.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
LDS and JW preach the Bible around the world. They may have different interpretations, just as Protestants have different interpretations vs RCC vs Orthodox, etc.

They do, but I was referring to the churches that taught the gospel around the world before 1844. JW and Mormons are latter Day churches.
 
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Riders

Well-Known Member
They do, but I was referring to the churches that taught the gospel around the world before 1844. JW and Mormons are latter Day churches.

Then the problem in your thinking is that there were many many many countries not preached to before the 1900s so i would not count out the mormons and the JWs.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Then the problem in your thinking is that there were many many many countries not preached to before the 1900s so i would not count out the mormons and the JWs.

i believe there were not any countries by the 1900s that did not already have Christian missionaries of different denominations.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
In fact by 1844 the gospel had been taught to all the nations of the world.



it could not be we only had trains,no cars and no planes. Actually there are tribes who have still not heard the gospel and many in China and India though missionaries have been there there is still many people there that have not heard the gospel.

BTW if we went by that,I just read Mormon history here it is

In the years 1830 to 1899, it is estimated that about 12,827 missionaries were called to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. From 1900 to 1950, the total number increased to 50,143. From 1951 through 1989, about 402,372 missionaries served. Since 1990, however, approximately 534,658 missionaries — or more than half of all missionaries who have ever served — have accepted the responsibility to share the message of the Church of Jesus Chris

So even if you were right you'd still be wrong. Mormon were in Missions by then.
 
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