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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
That's not it at all.
It has to do with your signature block... which I quoted... Shaul isn't who you think he is.
Who do you think he is? And who told you so?

If the Bible is the word of God, don't you think he might have prevented Paul from ever contributing to it if he was an imposter?
 

Jedster

Well-Known Member
Are you ready to flee to the hills when the abomination of Daniel happens?

Just to be clear,my original LOL was in response to your comment:
Apparenlty only the Sephardim are Judahites... for which they are being persecuted even in their own land, by the Khazar-converts.

I have seen so many of these theories over the years and people telling us what these books really mean. I just hadn't heard this one for a long time.

Like I said come and visit and see for yourself and have real experience of the land and people.
You should also know that I do not consider any writings inerrant.

Peace.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Tell us who or what the "abomination of Daniel" is according to your understanding.....? BTW....there is nowhere to flee.

There is always someplace to flee. Per Zechariah 14:4, the path for fleeing from Jerusalem will be the a very large valley created by an earthquake. Per Matthew 24:16, those in Judea are to flee to the "mountains". Per Joel 2:32, there will be those on Mt Zion and in Jerusalem who will "escape". Your particular situation appears to be your neither on Mt Zion, nor in Jerusalem.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
There is always someplace to flee. Per Zechariah 14:4, the path for fleeing from Jerusalem will be the a very large valley created by an earthquake. Per Matthew 24:16, those in Judea are to flee to the "mountains". Per Joel 2:32, there will be those on Mt Zion and in Jerusalem who will "escape". Your particular situation appears to be your neither on Mt Zion, nor in Jerusalem.

You didn't tell me what Christians need to flee from? What is the "abomination" in Daniel's prophesy and spoken about by Jesus? (Matthew 24:15-16)

From the Bible I see that the warning Jesus gave to his disciples was that when they saw Jerusalem under siege, they were to flee to the mountains.....but how that window opened up is a miracle, because for no apparent reason the Roman troops withdrew and gave the obedient ones opportunity to do just as Jesus told them. They were to go with just the clothes on their backs and perhaps a few meager provisions. We can read about that in the Bible and what it meant for disobedient Christians who either stayed or returned to their lives and businesses when the Romans seemed as if they weren't coming back....but the Roman armies returned unexpectedly after 4 years, and laid siege to Jerusalem and then devastated the whole city. Millions perished.

Jesus not only warned Christians about the destruction of Jerusalem but also used those first-century events to parallel what will occur when the “great tribulation” suddenly breaks out in the time of the end. (Matthew 24:3, 21, 29) In fact, the good news is that “a great crowd” of people will survive this worldwide catastrophe. (Revelation 7:9, 13, 14.)

I am hoping to be part of that "great crowd" or "multitude" who will be ruled by those seen in heaven with the Lamb. I am not on Mt Zion because I am not one of the "chosen ones"....and I have fled figurative Jerusalem to a place of safety. Where did the Christians flee to in Jesus' day?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
You didn't tell me what Christians need to flee from? What is the "abomination" in Daniel's prophesy and spoken about by Jesus? (Matthew 24:15-16)

From the Bible I see that the warning Jesus gave to his disciples was that when they saw Jerusalem under siege, they were to flee to the mountains.....but how that window opened up is a miracle, because for no apparent reason the Roman troops withdrew and gave the obedient ones opportunity to do just as Jesus told them. They were to go with just the clothes on their backs and perhaps a few meager provisions. We can read about that in the Bible and what it meant for disobedient Christians who either stayed or returned to their lives and businesses when the Romans seemed as if they weren't coming back....but the Roman armies returned unexpectedly after 4 years, and laid siege to Jerusalem and then devastated the whole city. Millions perished.

Jesus not only warned Christians about the destruction of Jerusalem but also used those first-century events to parallel what will occur when the “great tribulation” suddenly breaks out in the time of the end. (Matthew 24:3, 21, 29) In fact, the good news is that “a great crowd” of people will survive this worldwide catastrophe. (Revelation 7:9, 13, 14.)

I am hoping to be part of that "great crowd" or "multitude" who will be ruled by those seen in heaven with the Lamb. I am not on Mt Zion because I am not one of the "chosen ones"....and I have fled figurative Jerusalem to a place of safety. Where did the Christians flee to in Jesus' day?

There were no "Christians" during the life of "Jesus". "Christians" per se, are the followers of Paul's false gospel of grace, the gospel of the cross, whereas the law is supposedly nailed to the cross. They would be the one's with the mark of the beast, which would not be good for them (Rev 14:10).

Mt 24:15:16 was directed to "those in Judea". Those who "escape" (Joel 2:32) is directed to those "on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem". Only those who keep the commandments and keep from profaning the Sabbath are found on "My holy mountain" (Isaiah 56:6), which would be Mt Zion. Those with the mark of the beast with two horns like lamb, Constantine and his two Christlike leaders of his Roman church, will have to drink from the cup of God's wrath.

While there will be survivors from the nations, they will all come through the fire, whereas 1/3 of all mankind will perish (Rev 9:18). As for the "little ones" (Zechariah 13:7-9), 2/3 will "cut off and perish".

No, your covenant with death, where you think you will escape death, based on your false beliefs, will be "cancelled" (Isaiah 28:18).

The historical abomination of desolation has been the Roman and Greek leaders or generals sacrificing a pig to their gods at the site of the holy of holies.

Per Zechariah 2:7, Zion is to escape from "the daughter of Babylon" which would include her daughters as well. That would include the Roman church and her daughters.
 
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
There were no "Christians" during the life of "Jesus". "Christians" per se, are the followers of Paul's false gospel of grace, the gospel of the cross, whereas the law is supposedly nailed to the cross. They would be the one's with the mark of the beast, which would not be good for them (Rev 14:10).

Regardless of what they were called, Christ's disciples fled Jerusalem just as Jesus told them to. Where did they go? They left with nothing but the clothes on their back, so if the Romans were not coming back for another 4 years, why did Jesus tell them to leave everything behind?
Who did they depend on to support them?

The beast and its mark did not even become known till the time of the end. In our time, having the mark of the beast will appear to most of humanity be the only way to survive in this world. There will be no way to even buy or sell without it, but Christ's disciples will refuse it. This will mean hardship for them, just as it did for those who fled Jerusalem with nothing. All their means of living was in Jerusalem. There is a parallel.

Mt 24:15:16 was directed to "those in Judea". Those who "escape" (Joel 2:32) is directed to those "on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem". Only those who keep the commandments and keep from profaning the Sabbath are found on "My holy mountain" (Isaiah 56:6), which would be Mt Zion. Those with the mark of the beast with two horns like lamb, Constantine and his two Christlike leaders of his Roman church, will have to drink from the cup of God's wrath.

I am assuming that these conclusions are your own? Do you have a brotherhood who share your beliefs? I ask because we cannot be Christians in isolation. We have to have a brotherhood who all believe the same things. Jesus taught one truth and his disciples formed themselves into one body, with congregations located in different cities and villages, but all were taught one truth. If these are all your own ideas, then who is to say that you are not just as misled as any other individual claiming to know what the Bible teaches?

Jesus indicated that he would appoint a "faithful and wise slave" in his absence, to "feed" his entire household their "food at the proper time". (Not physical food obviously, but spiritual food, just as Jesus instructed Peter to "feed" his lambs.) So whatever Jesus' slaves needed to know, would be provided "at the proper time". (Matthew 24:45) Do you see yourself in that capacity? And if so, who are you feeding? More importantly, who is feeding you?

No, your covenant with death, where you think you will escape death, based on your false beliefs, will be "cancelled" (Isaiah 28:18).

Those 'baptized into Christ' will die a death like his, and experience a resurrection like his. He was "put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit". These ones will be 'kings and priests' who will rule with Christ in heaven. (Revelation 20:6) But priests need sinners for whom to perform their priestly duties, and rulers need subjects. Who will these be, and where will they live?

The historical abomination of desolation has been the Roman and Greek leaders or generals sacrificing a pig to their gods at the site of the holy of holies.

Who is the "abomination" in this time of the end?

What is the "holy place" in which they stand, today?

Per Zechariah 2:7, Zion is to escape from "the daughter of Babylon" which would include her daughters as well. That would include the Roman church and her daughters.

Indeed....but Babylon's daughters are not all offshoots of Roman Catholicism....post flood Babylon spawned all manner of false worship....all equally unacceptable to the Creator. "Babylon the great" (by her name,) encompasses all false worship that originated in ancient Babylon.

From God's perspective, there are only two kinds of worship in this world....true and false.

There are only two kinds of people....sheep and goats.

There are only two roads....one cramped and narrow road leads to life and the broad and easy one leads to destruction.

Stripping it down to that simple equation, allows us to see what God sees. That is why we need to consider carefully what we believe and who else believes it. If we are alone in our beliefs, then it's the wrong one.
If we are part of a brotherhood, are they fulfilling all the commands of the Christ? Does their conduct demonstrate that they are prepared to navigate the cramped and narrow road to life....or are they showing that their "Christianity" is one of convenience with little sacrifice? Are they hated for doing what Jesus commanded? (John 15:18-21) We all need to ask these questions.
 

2ndpillar

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Regardless of what they were called, Christ's disciples fled Jerusalem just as Jesus told them to. Where did they go? They left with nothing but the clothes on their back, so if the Romans were not coming back for another 4 years, why did Jesus tell them to leave everything behind?
Who did they depend on to support them?

The beast and its mark did not even become known till the time of the end. In our time, having the mark of the beast will appear to most of humanity be the only way to survive in this world. There will be no way to even buy or sell without it, but Christ's disciples will refuse it. This will mean hardship for them, just as it did for those who fled Jerusalem with nothing. All their means of living was in Jerusalem. There is a parallel.

All the heads of the beast were laid out in Daniel. The final beast the 8th head of the beast, one of the 7, is the ruling beast of the day. The mark of the beast was laid out in Genesis 3:3 by the serpent, who is the "dragon" of Revelation 13:4. The beast with two horns like a lamb, the 7th head of the beast, was Constantine. He is now dead. His decree of 312 AD was that Sunday, the day of his Sun god Sol Invictus, would be the day of rest, and no one could buy or sell on Sunday because he would shut down all shops and government offices. The number of his name is not 666 but 616. Your NT was canonized and edited by the daughter of Babylon, and is as trustworthy as your church.

Matthew 24 is about he "Son of man will appear in the sky" period, which is still "behind the door" (Mt 24:33). During that future event, "no life would have been saved", but that "those days had been cut short". You are more than a little confused. Jerusalem was sacked by Antiochus, Pompey, and Titus. In all cases there were survivors, and in all cases pigs were sacrificed to the pagan gods on the site of the holy of holies. Har-Magedon of Revelation 16:16 has not happened as of yet. It remains behind the door.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I am assuming that these conclusions are your own? Do you have a brotherhood who share your beliefs? I ask because we cannot be Christians in isolation. We have to have a brotherhood who all believe the same things. Jesus taught one truth and his disciples formed themselves into one body, with congregations located in different cities and villages, but all were taught one truth. If these are all your own ideas, then who is to say that you are not just as misled as any other individual claiming to know what the Bible teaches?

Jesus indicated that he would appoint a "faithful and wise slave" in his absence, to "feed" his entire household their "food at the proper time". (Not physical food obviously, but spiritual food, just as Jesus instructed Peter to "feed" his lambs.) So whatever Jesus' slaves needed to know, would be provided "at the proper time". (Matthew 24:45) Do you see yourself in that capacity? And if so, who are you feeding? More importantly, who is feeding you?

What conclusions? I just quoted and gave the chapter and verse. Yeshua came to fulfill Scripture, and by choosing Peter to feed, care and tend the sheep, he was fulfilling Zechariah 11:15-17, which was to taking Peter to be the "worthless shepherd" who would not feed, care, or tend the sheep. (Zech 11:16) & (John 21:15-16).

Peter's heir, the pope, is about to "fall", and all those hanging onto him will be cut off (Isaiah 22:25). The Roman church is a joke, and while Catholics kind of know that, they still hold onto their pope, and in your case, you hold onto Peter. Not a good move. There is only one teacher, leader, and father, and Peter nor Paul, are any of the above.(Mt 23:8-10)
 
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
All the heads of the beast were laid out in Daniel. The final beast the 8th head of the beast, one of the 7, is the ruling beast of the day. The mark of the beast was laid out in Genesis 3:3 by the serpent, who is the "dragon" of Revelation 13:4. The beast with two horns like a lamb, the 7th head of the beast, was Constantine. He is now dead. His decree of 312 AD was that Sunday, the day of his Sun god Sol Invictus, would be the day of rest, and no one could buy or sell on Sunday because he would shut down all shops and government offices. The number of his name is not 666 but 616. Your NT was canonized and edited by the daughter of Babylon, and is as trustworthy as your church.

I have a completely different interpretation of those things that is shared by 8 & 1/2 million of my brothers and sisters. How many share your view?

And you did not answer my question. Why did Jesus tell his disciples to take nothing with them but the clothes on their backs? The Romans did not come back for 4 years, so it wasn't that they didn't have time. We are living in a parallel time....the "great tribulation" is just ahead of us (Matthew 24:21-22) and we too need to "flee to the mountains".....where will we go to escape?

Matthew 24 is about he "Son of man will appear in the sky" period, which is still "behind the door" (Mt 24:33). During that future event, "no life would have been saved", but that "those days had been cut short". You are more than a little confused. Jerusalem was sacked by Antiochus, Pompey, and Titus. In all cases there were survivors, and in all cases pigs were sacrificed to the pagan gods on the site of the holy of holies. Har-Magedon of Revelation 16:16 has not happened as of yet. It remains behind the door.

The great tribulation is what will be cut short or no flesh will be saved....it is at that time when Jesus comes to gather the remaining ones of his anointed and then Armageddon will cleanse the world of all wickedness and disobedience, ushering in the peaceful reign of Christ for 1,000 years whilst the human race is restored to their original sinless condition, ready to begin the life God planned for us all along. We just had to learn how to drive free will responsibly. It's taken all this time to test us all out, but the result will be a clear distinction between those want to obey God and those who don't. It is all God has ever asked of us.

I am not confused at all....but you seem to be. Who else shares your view? People who get defensive when I ask that question are usually hard pressed to answer. Please identify your brotherhood.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I have a completely different interpretation of those things that is shared by 8 & 1/2 million of my brothers and sisters. How many share your view?

And you did not answer my question. Why did Jesus tell his disciples to take nothing with them but the clothes on their backs? The Romans did not come back for 4 years, so it wasn't that they didn't have time. We are living in a parallel time....the "great tribulation" is just ahead of us (Matthew 24:21-22) and we too need to "flee to the mountains".....where will we go to escape?

You have 8.5 million brothers and sisters, all who apparently follow the teachings of the false prophet Paul, and carry the mark of the beast.

The one's who have to flee to the mountains, per Matthew 24:16, are those in "Judea".

For "my people", they are advised to go into their rooms and shut the door (Isaiah 26:19-20). Do you even have a room to go into for the 5 months that the locust have to run rampant (Rev 9:5). This follows the time when the dead arise to fight along side the "Word of God" (Revelation 9:14) to then rule the world for 1000 years. Only the sealed are protected from the locust (Rev 9:4). Being sealed by the mark of God, is the antithesis of having the mark of the beast. The Word of God, Zechariah 2:7, says Zion is to escape from the daughter of Babylon. You might try getting onto the mountain of God, Zion, and then come out of her (Revelation 18:4), the daughter of Babylon. "Her" being the daughter of Babylon, which is represented by your church, which is another daughter church of the false prophet Paul, built on the false status of the "worthless shepherd", Peter.

And Yeshua didn't tell anyone to take nothing. He said those in Judea were not to turn back to get things out of the house, nor return from the field to get their cloak. (Mt 24:17:18) If they had been God fearing, and knew they were to flee to the mountains, they would reasonably already have a hole set up in the mountains.

Isaiah 26:19-20 Your dead will live; their bodies will rise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust! For your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will bring forth her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut your doors behind you. Hide yourselves a little while until the wrath has passed.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You have 8.5 million brothers and sisters, all who apparently follow the teachings of the false prophet Paul, and carry the mark of the beast.

Who told you that? That is basically claiming that God has NO jurisdiction over what is found in his word.
Did he allow Paul's words to teach millions but disallow yours? How come you know better than Paul?

The one's who have to flee to the mountains, per Matthew 24:16, are those in "Judea".
Actually it was those in Jerusalem and Judea....Jesus said....
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. 21 Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; 22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.". (Luke 21:20-22)

For "my people", they are advised to go into their rooms and shut the door (Isaiah 26:19-20). Do you even have a room to go into for the 5 months that the locust have to run rampant (Rev 9:5). This follows the time when the dead arise to fight along side the "Word of God" (Revelation 9:14) to then rule the world for 1000 years. Only the sealed are protected from the locust (Rev 9:4). Being sealed by the mark of God, is the antithesis of having the mark of the beast. The Word of God, Zechariah 2:7, says Zion is to escape from the daughter of Babylon. You might try getting onto the mountain of God, Zion, and then come out of her (Revelation 18:4), the daughter of Babylon. "Her" being the daughter of Babylon, which is represented by your church, which is another daughter church of the false prophet Paul, built on the false status of the "worthless shepherd", Peter.

That to me is very twisted....but you are free to believe it if you wish. Who told you that this accurate though?

You have shot down two very distinguished apostles here.....calling Peter a "worthless shepherd"? Seriously...don't you know that whatever you say or do to Christ's brothers, you do to him? It was Peter who was given the responsibility to feed Christ's sheep....yet here you are knowing better than Jesus. You think he said that to Peter knowing that he would prove to be a worthless shepherd? Someone is having a lend of you IMO.

And Yeshua didn't tell anyone to take nothing. He said those in Judea were not to turn back to get things out of the house, nor return from the field to get their cloak. (Mt 24:17:18) If they had been God fearing, and knew they were to flee to the mountains, they would reasonably already have a hole set up in the mountains.

Sorry, but this is unsubstantiated rubbish. There was a reason why they were not to take anything with them. Consider the situation at the time and ask yourself why Jesus would give them that instruction.

IN 33 C.E. (the year that Jesus died) Christ warned his followers to “flee to the mountains” when they saw “Jerusalem surrounded by armies.” (Luke 21:20-24) Jesus had not told them to flee until they saw the city under siege. He did not tell them to go to the mountains until they saw this as a sign.

But where did they actually flee to? French orientalist and historian Joseph Ernest Renan provides this detail: “The place selected by the heads of the [Christian] community to serve as the principal asylum for the fugitive Church was Pella, one of the towns of Decapolis, situated near the left bank of the Jordan in an admirable position, overlooking on one side the whole plain of Ghor, and having on the other precipitous cliffs, at the foot of which runs a torrent. No wiser choice could have been made. Judæa, Idumæa, Peræa, and Galilee were in insurrection; Samaria and the coast were in a very unsettled state . . . Thus Scythopolis and Pella were the nearest neutral cities to Jerusalem. Pella, by its position beyond the Jordan, must have offered much more tranquillity than Scythopolis, which had become one of the Roman strongholds. Pella was a free city like the other towns of Decapolis . . . To take refuge there was openly to avow horror of the [Jewish] revolt . . . It was in this anti-Jewish town that the Church of Jerusalem found refuge during the horrors of the siege.”
The Christians’ Flight to Pella — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY


They went to a politically neutral place.....safe among others who openly avowed the horrors of the Jewish revolt. It was a place that was anti-Jewish so the Christians did not have to worry about Jewish persecution there. And because they were a peaceful people, they had nothing to fear from Rome due to the Pax Romana.


Isaiah 26:19-20 Your dead will live; their bodies will rise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust! For your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will bring forth her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut your doors behind you. Hide yourselves a little while until the wrath has passed.

And this is supposed to answer my question? Who are you speaking about when you talk of those entering their rooms in order to be saved? With whom do you see yourself "saved"? The first Christians met together for worship, so with whom do you meet for worship?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Who told you that? That is basically claiming that God has NO jurisdiction over what is found in his word.
Did he allow Paul's words to teach millions but disallow yours? How come you know better than Paul?

It was the Roman church bishop of Alexandria, Athanasius, who set the canon of the NT. It was the "enemy" per Matthew 13:24-25 who sowed the seed of the tares in the field along side the "good seed". The tares were to remain unchallenged until the end of the age (Mt 13:29 & 40-41). It is not until the end of the age that the tares will be ripped out and tossed into the fire.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Sorry, but this is unsubstantiated rubbish. There was a reason why they were not to take anything with them. Consider the situation at the time and ask yourself why Jesus would give them that instruction.

IN 33 C.E. (the year that Jesus died) Christ warned his followers to “flee to the mountains” when they saw “Jerusalem surrounded by armies.” (Luke 21:20-24) Jesus had not told them to flee until they saw the city under siege. He did not tell them to go to the mountains until they saw this as a sign.

But where did they actually flee to? French orientalist and historian Joseph Ernest Renan provides this detail: “The place selected by the heads of the [Christian] community to serve as the principal asylum for the fugitive Church was Pella, one of the towns of Decapolis, situated near the left bank of the Jordan in an admirable position, overlooking on one side the whole plain of Ghor, and having on the other precipitous cliffs, at the foot of which runs a torrent. No wiser choice could have been made. Judæa, Idumæa, Peræa, and Galilee were in insurrection; Samaria and the coast were in a very unsettled state . . . Thus Scythopolis and Pella were the nearest neutral cities to Jerusalem. Pella, by its position beyond the Jordan, must have offered much more tranquillity than Scythopolis, which had become one of the Roman strongholds. Pella was a free city like the other towns of Decapolis . . . To take refuge there was openly to avow horror of the [Jewish] revolt . . . It was in this anti-Jewish town that the Church of Jerusalem found refuge during the horrors of the siege.”
The Christians’ Flight to Pella — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY


They went to a politically neutral place.....safe among others who openly avowed the horrors of the Jewish revolt. It was a place that was anti-Jewish so the Christians did not have to worry about Jewish persecution there. And because they were a peaceful people, they had nothing to fear from Rome due to the Pax Romana.

You appear to be howling at the wind. Jerusalem is in Judea, and the "end shall come" when the "gospel of the kingdom shall be preached to the whole world" (Matthew 24:14). In 70 AD that had not happened. And you do not live in Jerusalem which is in Judea. What has happened is that 120 nations met in Paris on January 2017 to come against Jerusalem and condemn Israel. The leader of that cabal of world kings, was the Muslim Obama, who is ruled by the unclean spirits (Revelation 16:13). The "unclean spirits like frogs" were to "gather" the nations to Har-Magedon. (Revelation 16:16). This all happens after the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to the whole world, and not in 70 AD. It cannot happen until Jerusalem and Judah have been restored (Joel 3:1) which didn't occur fully until 1967. At that time the nations will be judged in the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2) Per Zechariah 14:2, the nations will come against Jerusalem, and it will be "captured", and half the city exiled, and then the "LORD will go fight against those nations". "Judah" will fight at Jerusalem" and all the wealth of the surrounding nations will be gathered (Zechariah 14:14). It will the Gentiles which will be required to worship the "LORD of hosts" at Jerusalem or suffer the consequences (Zech 14:17). The ruler will be king David, and he is of the tribe of Judah (Ezekiel 37:24). The term Jew refers to Judah, but includes Benjamin and Levi.
 

2ndpillar

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That to me is very twisted....but you are free to believe it if you wish. Who told you that this accurate though?

You have shot down two very distinguished apostles here.....calling Peter a "worthless shepherd"? Seriously...don't you know that whatever you say or do to Christ's brothers, you do to him? It was Peter who was given the responsibility to feed Christ's sheep....yet here you are knowing better than Jesus. You think he said that to Peter knowing that he would prove to be a worthless shepherd? Someone is having a lend of you IMO.

And who calls Paul an apostle other than Paul, which would make Paul's statement "untrue" (John 5:31). Who calls Paul his beloved brother, other than some ghost writer portraying themselves as the worthless shepherd (Zech 11:17) Peter. And what about poor Judas (Zech 11:13), who was predestined to be a compatriot with the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17), and to die in the same generation/month (Zechariah 11:8) as Peter and Paul (Zech 11:10). No you have been duped. You should have believed in the Word of God, and not the word of your gods.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I have a completely different interpretation of those things that is shared by 8 & 1/2 million of my brothers and sisters. How many share your view?

I think the view of the "many" leads to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). I think if the "many" prevailed, than the 1.2 billion Roman Catholics would prevail. The same would apply to witch Hillary. She would now be the president of the U.S. Thankfully we are a Republic, and she failed, and she will hopefully be eventually put behind bars, if she should live so long. Understanding comes at the "end of the age" and only to those with "insight" (Daniel 12:10). The "wicked" continue to stumble without "understanding" (Daniel 12:10). The "wicked" would be counted among the "many".
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I think the view of the "many" leads to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). I think if the "many" prevailed, than the 1.2 billion Roman Catholics would prevail. The same would apply to witch Hillary. She would now be the president of the U.S. Thankfully we are a Republic, and she failed, and she will hopefully be eventually put behind bars, if she should live so long. Understanding comes at the "end of the age" and only to those with "insight" (Daniel 12:10). The "wicked" continue to stumble without "understanding" (Daniel 12:10). The "wicked" would be counted among the "many".

So, the answer to my question is..... just you then? You don't know if there is another soul on earth who believes what you do?
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Who do you think he is? And who told you so?

If the Bible is the word of God, don't you think he might have prevented Paul from ever contributing to it if he was an imposter?

Why do you think Jesus tells us to beware the leaven of the Pharisees? If you were right in your assessment of the whole inspired and protected theme, would such a warning have been needed?
In fact, the Older Testament says how to judge a false prophet... yet another warning which would be redundant... and cast out... by your theology.

The Talmud is to the Jews what Talmudist-Paul is to the Gentiles.
Beware the leaven of the Pharisees is a warning to deaf ears for over 2000 years... sad.
 
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