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The Idiocy Persists

PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
The term "God" refers to a mystery. The most profound mystery of all. It refers to the ultimate mystery of source, sustenance, and purpose of all that exists. Theology and religion try to clarify this profound mystery through the use of logic, debate, artifice, ritual, imagination and faith. But ultimately the mystery remains unresolved. However, the fact that it remains unresolved from the human perspective does not negate it's validity, nor it's importance to humanity. And if anyone here thinks it does, then I challenge you to explain how so.

Why is there so much argument, here, about theological and religious artifice? Artifice is artifice. It's representational. Which means it's not what it is representing, because it's a representation of what it's representing. As an example; Santa Claus in not the Christmas ideal. Santa Claus is a representation of the Christmas ideal. So are the rituals of gift-giving and tree-lighting and merry-making that we engage in as we enact the Christmas ideal. Many of you here seem to be imaging that if you can negate the artifice and the rituals that you have somehow negated the ideal. And that's just not so. All you've done is attack the representations of the ideal, and not the ideal, itself.

"There is no evidence!" "The stories are untrue!" I hear and read this all the time.

But stories require no "evidence". They are STORIES. Rituals require no evidence, they are their own "evidence" as they either help people understand and enact their ideals, or they don't. These things are artificial representations of an ideal. They are intended to help people understand and enable their ideals. They are not ideals in themselves. Attacking the representations as being invalid because they are "unreal" is just idiocy. I'm sorry, but that's what it is.

Claiming that God doesn't exist because It's depiction in the Bible "isn't real" is just absurd. It's like claiming that Christmas doesn't exist because "Santa Claus isn't real". And yet we hear and read this absurd objection ALL THE TIME on these threads.

Why? Why do so many of you persist in this idiocy? And it's not just claiming that God doesn't exist because the Bible's depiction of God "isn't real", it's the claim that God DOES EXIST simply because the Bible says so. The idiocy abounds on both sides.
 
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Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Good to know we have intellectual saviors like you to save "both sides" from their "idiocy." I have no idea how I could sleep at night without eating pseudo-intellectual, self-aggrandizing word salad like the above for dinner.
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
The OP raises a good point in that many of the anti-religious like to try to marry belief in God and Jesus to a fundamentalist reading of the Bible. I believe Christians can move past the Bible and see the Bible for what it is.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
George-ananda said:
The OP raises a good point in that many of the anti-religious like to try to marry belief in God and Jesus to a fundamentalist reading of the Bible. I believe Christians can move past the Bible and see the Bible for what it is.
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I agree. And those anti-religionists usually go even further and use their fundamentalist (literalist) reading of the Bible as the only characterization of God ever proposed, so that when they dismiss it as "unreal", they can then dismiss the entire theological proposition all together.

On the other hand, they are encouraged in this foolishness by the many religionists that do interpret the Bible as a literal recitation of historical events, and as am direct and inerrant expression of the mind of God.
 
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George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
PureX said:
I agree. And those anti-religionists usually go even further and use their fundamentalist (literalist) reading of the Bible as the only characterization of God ever proposed, so that when they dismiss it as "unreal", they can then dismiss the entire theological proposition all together.
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I agree wholeheartedly. That’s why these anti-religionists have me requiring two different high blood pressure medications at this time. Once I convince them all I plan on reducing my medications.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Debater Slayer said:
Good to know we have intellectual saviors like you to save "both sides" from their "idiocy." I have no idea how I could sleep at night without eating pseudo-intellectual, self-aggrandizing word salad like the above for dinner.
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So, feeling yourself on the defensive, but having no reasonable counter-point to pose, you opted for a couple of poorly reasoned insults.

Very weak, indeed.
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
God is invocation and willpower. Anything else is an unnecessary additive. The only point in obscurity is in deception, if that is in your will then God is mystery...
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
George-ananda said:
The OP raises a good point in that many of the anti-religious like to try to marry belief in God and Jesus to a fundamentalist reading of the Bible. I believe Christians can move past the Bible and see the Bible for what it is.
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Hello again.......
Yes to the above, but you clearly know more about concise precis than the OP. :D
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
:smoke: god exist becaused
We having the same spirit of faith,
according as it is written,
I believed, and therefore have I spoken;
we also believe, and therefore speak;
2 Corinthians 4:13 KJVA

nothing exist without a cause and the cause for nothing to exist is god
when theres an instant possibilities of a single shape and form
that suddenly existed despite of the absolute nothingness of a very elsewhere place
such as an empty glass of water hidden inside on an empty room where no one knows but the
one who made it hidden and afterwards the glass became a diamond in just a couple of minute
then as what they say you can say that again.

For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; while we look not at the things which are seen,
but at the things which are not seen:
for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
2 Corinthians 4:16‭-‬18 KJVA

All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense.
It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God.
Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith;
for whatever is not from faith is sin.
Romans 14:19‭-‬23 NKJV

as we have faith also that your belief comes along with a good works
But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were,
it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
Galatians 2:6 NKJV


though we speak with ignorance (for we are not all knowing)
nothing in this world could tell unto all that to exist is idiocy
for so many reasons
that some were negative about this
but also some were still positive and we are certainly sure that someone would think
that birthday is also a idiocy
for a simple reason
it happens to exist just as the coming of its birth is foretold
when the day gave birth to the story of The idiocy abounds on both sides.
and many more stories to come to this so called idiocy
if we may say so as it is written
:read:
Whatever has happened ⌊in the past⌋ already has a name.
Mortals are already known for what they are.
Mortals cannot argue with the one who is stronger than they. The more words there are, the more pointless they become. What advantage do mortals gain from this?
Who knows what may be good for mortals while they are alive, during the brief,
pointless days they live? Mortals pass by like a shadow.
Who will tell them about their future under the sun?
Ecclesiastes 6:10‭-‬12 GW



PureX said:
The term "God" refers to a mystery. The most profound mystery of all. It refers to the ultimate mystery of source, sustenance, and purpose of all that exists. Theology and religion try to clarify this profound mystery through the use of logic, debate, artifice, ritual, imagination and faith. But ultimately the mystery remains unresolved. However, the fact that it remains unresolved from the human perspective does not negate it's validity, nor it's importance to humanity. And if anyone here thinks it does, then I challenge you to explain how so.

Why is there so much argument, here, about theological and religious artifice? Artifice is artifice. It's representational. Which means it's not what it is representing, because it's a representation of what it's representing. As an example; Santa Claus in not the Christmas ideal. Santa Claus is a representation of the Christmas ideal. So are the rituals of gift-giving and tree-lighting and merry-making that we engage in as we enact the Christmas ideal. Many of you here seem to be imaging that if you can negate the artifice and the rituals that you have somehow negated the ideal. And that's just not so. All you've done is attack the representations of the ideal, and not the ideal, itself.

"There is no evidence!" "The stories are untrue!" I hear and read this all the time.

But stories require no "evidence". They are STORIES. Rituals require no evidence, they are their own "evidence" as they either help people understand and enact their ideals, or they don't. These things are artificial representations of an ideal. They are intended to help people understand and enable their ideals. They are not ideals in themselves. Attacking the representations as being invalid because they are "unreal" is just idiocy. I'm sorry, but that's what it is.

Claiming that God doesn't exist because It's depiction in the Bible "isn't real" is just absurd. It's like claiming that Christmas doesn't exist because "Santa Claus isn't real". And yet we hear and read this absurd objection ALL THE TIME on these threads.

Why? Why do so many of you persist in this idiocy? And it's not just claiming that God doesn't exist because the Bible's depiction of God "isn't real", it's the claim that God DOES EXIST simply because the Bible says so. The idiocy abounds on both sides.
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Craig Sedok

Craig Sedok

Member
The creation was made and the fact that people believe in God is a fact. To attack a belief is your flutter over life. There is a god and the low g is why.
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
:smoke: and becaused
as it is written
:read:
For out of prison he cometh to reign; whereas also he that is born in his kingdom becometh poor.
I considered all the living which walk under the sun,
with the second child that shall stand up in his stead.
There is no end of all the people, even of all that have been before them:
they also that come after shall not rejoice in him. Surely this also is vanity and vexation of spirit.
Ecclesiastes 4:14‭-‬16 KJVA

in hope for someone who would realize how small things could grow up unto good works
with the help and mercy of the Lord and of the will of God who is good and doesn't lie
somehow we wrote some words with ignorance according unto human teachings
although as we've said before we are certainly sure about something
were made to exist and
without controversy at all for we only just defining the secrecy of The idiocy abounds on both sides.
without disregarding the facts that both were actually exist

The creation was made and the fact that people believe in God is a fact
indeed for faith and belief should be counted as a whole
as one become one
if we may say so as it is written
:read:
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isaiah 40:22 KJVA

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:7 KJVA
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
:smoke: indeed
for defining the undeniable is certainly unimaginable
such as everything first existed unto our thought
without even thinkin before it happens
 
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