"New Heavens and New Earth" - Why Destroy the Old?

Notaclue · Oct 20, 2016

Col.1:18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Beginning, the firstborn from the dead;

Rev.1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--

the firstborn of the dead,

Acts7:49. 'Heaven is my throne', and 'earth is my footstool': what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
50Hath not my hand made all these things?

Is.65:17. For, behold, 'I create' new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I 'create Jerusalem' a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

Ez.1:1-26. And above the firmament(Heaven) that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne(New Heavens), as the appearance of a 'sapphire stone': and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a 'man'(New Earth) above upon it.

Rev.4:1. After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened 'in heaven': and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a 'throne' was set 'in heaven', and one sat on the throne. 3And he that sat was to look upon like a "jasper and a sardine stone"(God) and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before(in the eyes of) the throne, which are the 'seven Spirits of God'.

Jesus was still living on the earth.

Rev.5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and o Hif the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Jesus has been born from the dead.

in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain

Body of Christ.

Rom.6:3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

When you die......... the old heaven and earth have passed away. (Rev.21:1)

Jer.3:17. At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

Peace.

james2ko · Oct 20, 2016

Hockeycowboy said:
The points I made, stand on their own merit. You didn't prove anything differently, its still subjective.

And I asked, "Do you know another (organization)?" You gave me no alternative.

Or is my understanding regarding John's ID of who are "the children of God and the children of the Devil", faulty?

Which religions measure up?

Are we discussing the new heavens and earth or are you going to go off on a tangent to emphasize how much more exclusive and righteous is your organization than all the rest?

Really?? The planet Earth is under "bondage to corruption"? It will be one of "the children of God"? No, James....creation there is referring to people; we are under bondage to sin and its result, death. We will be called 'God's children.' Still subjective, my friend. (From your posts, I think you'd like to incite me to say something belittling. - Proverbs 15:1)

The evidence the earth is also under the bondage of corruption is not subjective but objective. The Greek term used by Paul for corruption (G5356-phthora) in Romans 8:21 is anything that ages and decays. Humans obviously decay. According to science, the earth is also decaying. Not only is the planet itself decaying but so are the heavens (atmosphere-magnetic field). Hence the need for a "new" heavens and "new" earth.

If Paul wanted to convey he was merely speaking of moral decay (corruption) in humans, he would have used the Greek term specific to moral corruption (G5351-phtheiro) he used in Ephesians 4:22. Once again, the truth in this instance is not subjective, it's objective. Jehovah is not exclusive to your organization. He works with individuals, as well as your organization and others, to fulfill His plan. The quicker you realize that, the more humble you will become.

Hockeycowboy · Oct 20, 2016

james2ko said:
Are we discussing the new heavens and earth or are you going to go off on a tangent to emphasize how much more exclusive and righteous is your organization than all the rest?

The evidence the earth is also under the bondage of corruption is not subjective but objective. The Greek term used by Paul for corruption (G5356-phthora) in Romans 8:21 is anything that ages and decays. Humans obviously decay. According to science, the earth is also decaying. Not only is the planet itself decaying but so are the heavens (atmosphere-magnetic field). Hence the need for a "new" heavens and "new" earth.

If Paul wanted to convey he was merely speaking of moral decay (corruption) in humans, he would have used the Greek term specific to moral corruption (G5351-phtheiro) he used in Ephesians 4:22. Once again, the truth is not subjective, it's objective. Jehovah is not exclusive to your organization. He works with individuals, as well as your organization and others, to fulfill His plan. The quicker you realize that, the more humble you will become.

Take care, cousin....hope you have a fruitful day!

james2ko · Oct 20, 2016

Hockeycowboy said:
Take care, cousin....hope you have a fruitful day!

I get that a lot from you guys. JW's don't like talking to me much. They don't like it when others outside of their organization prove them wrong. Take care my "brother".

Hockeycowboy · Oct 20, 2016

james2ko said:
I get that a lot from you guys. JW's don't like talking to me much. They don't like it when others outside of their organization prove them wrong. Take care my "brother".

I don't mind talking to you in an amicable way. But do you consider what you just said to be friendly?

If you think you're correct in your understanding of Romans 8:21, that it includes the planet, answer me this: how can the Earth "obtain the liberty of the children of God"? And vs.22: how does the planet "groan together and in pain together"?

Context reveals the answer....."creation" is referring to humankind subjected to sin and death.

Gotta go, life beckons.

djhwoodwerks · Oct 20, 2016

Hockeycowboy said:
No, James....creation there is referring to people; we are under bondage to sin and its result, death.

You need to reed your Bible without the 'slaves' blinders on!

Romans 6:5-7 (ASV) 5 For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection; 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin; 7 for he that hath died is justified from sin.

Hockeycowboy said:
Really?? The planet Earth is under "bondage to corruption"?

Yes, really!

Genesis 3:17 (ESV Strong's) “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
‘You shall not eat of it,’
cursed is the ground because of you;

moorea944 · Oct 20, 2016

Hawkins said:
Do you mean to say that the old earth will be running in parallel with the new earth?

Do you mean to say that the old earth will be running in parallel with the new earth?

There will only be one earth. "A new heavens and earth" is symbollic. Heavens, earth, sun, moon, stars, waters, sea, etc, can mean different things in scripture. IT's talking about the political heaveans and it's people. Governments, rulers, etc. That will change when Christ will be rule. And that is the third "earthquake" in Revelation. Complete change. New government and rulership.

james2ko · Oct 20, 2016

Hockeycowboy said:
I don't mind talking to you in an amicable way. But do you consider what you just said to be friendly?

When you quit self-righteously exalting your organization above others , my indignation will convert to amicability.

If you think you're correct in your understanding of Romans 8:21, that it includes the planet, answer me this: how can the Earth "obtain the liberty of the children of God"? And vs.22: how does the planet "groan together and in pain together"? Context reveals the answer....."creation" is referring to humankind subjected to sin and death. Gotta go, life beckons.

Here is a another translation:

Rom 8:21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God's children in glorious freedom from death and decay.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. (NLT)

Paul utters a common Hebrew idiom. Just as the sun, moon, stars, sea creatures praise Him, the mountains can sing, trees and heaven can rejoice, the earth can be glad, the sea can shout, and fields can be joyful before the LORD looking forward to the day He will judge the earth (Psalms 96:11-13; Isaiah 44:23;Psalms 148:3), so can the whole creation (earth and heavens) groan and labor with birth pangs looking forward to the day when it will join God's children and be free from death and decay.

If the context was specific to mankind, Paul would have used the specific Greek term for moral decay (corruption). He did not because he was talking about the whole creation in general, which is in perfect harmony with the new heavens and new earth scenario presented in scripture.

Upaava · Jan 29, 2017

May peace be with you,

As you pointed out, there can be various understandings, as well as translations, of that verse. Perhaps the best one is "...for the former heavens and the former earth had passed away; and the sea is no more..." This implies that heaven and earth have gone through a change, not destroyed.

God has given us the Earth as a place to bring forth the seeds within ourselves, as He progressively evolves us from age to age toward our completed forms.

If we hold fast to the Earth through all to come, we can be completed with Her when she becomes the new heaven.

psychoslice · Jan 29, 2017

The old so called heaven is in our minds, its what religion has being preaching, that its a geographical place somewhere in the sky, when in fact its right within each one of use, not within the mind body organism, but much deeper than that. We are all one with the Source, call that Source god or whatever, it doesn't matter because its only your label. Yes we are heaven, we are all One, we are the Source............so lets stop all this stupidity about some heaven outside of us.

MJFlores · Apr 24, 2017

Hockeycowboy said:
I hope I'm putting this in a right forum!:

There are a few verses in the Scriptures where it talks about "new heavens and a new Earth", like at Isaiah 65:17, 2 Peter 3:13, & Revelation 21:1.

Revelation 21:1 adds, "for the former heavens and the former earth had passed away; and the sea is no more."

Could this be literal? Does this mean, according to the Scriptures, that this planet is going to be destroyed? (This contradicts Ecclesiastes 1:4.)

If you take it literally, then the physical heavens are going to be destroyed, also. By fire! (2 Peter 3:7-10) That's a lot of destruction! Why? (Have they been bad?) Where are all the good people gonna go? But, if not literal, then what could these 'heavens destroyed by fire' be?

There is much figurative language in the Bible, a lot that is symbolic.

At Ephesians 3:10, Paul likened the existing governments as being in "heavenly places". You can see the correlation: just as the physical heavens are above the Earth, so governments rule over, or are "above", society. So heavens, as seen here, can refer to governments, kingdoms, & authorities.

Are the "new heavens" referring to a "new" government? Yes. God's Kingdom. Daniel 2:44 says that God will set up "a kingdom" (i.e., the "new heavens"), it will destroy "all these other kingdoms" (the "former heavens"), and it will rule forever. This Kingdom is the same one Jesus taught his followers to pray for: "let Thy Kingdom come, let Thy will be done on Earth." This Kingdom, of which Jesus is the Ruler (Isaiah 9:6-7; Daniel 7:13-14), is what will accomplish God's "will", or purpose, for the Earth.

Again, what about the Earth? Well, the Bible states in many places that the Earth will never be destroyed -- it is firmly established. Please read Psalms 78:69, and Psalms 104:5, and Ecclesiastes 1:4. Also, at Isaiah 45:18, God says the Earth is "firmly established", because He wants it inhabited, to fulfill His purpose with Adam's offspring. (See Psalms 115:16) Revelation 21:1 has to be understood figuratively. Otherwise, it contradicts these other Scriptures.

So then, what could be the correct understanding of "earth" in these passages? At Genesis 11:1, it says "all the Earth continued to be of one language, and one set of words." What has a language -- the planet, or people? People, of course. So, the Earth here has to be understood as referring to people --Society.

One last thing: how could the sea be no more? Life on Earth absolutely needs the oceans! Again, the Bible explains what it means by sea. If you read Isaiah 57:20, it likens wicked people to the sea. Aren't the wicked the more turbulent part of society?
If you apply this understanding to Revelation 21:1, "the sea is no more", it's actually telling us that wicked people will be "no more"! And this also agrees with Scripture.
-- Psalms 37:9-11, Psalms 37:29; Proverbs 2:21-22.

Of the many people I've spoken with over the years regarding this, all thought that this planet Earth would be destroyed. (It's not their fault, it is what they were taught.) But, really, why? There is no reason to destroy it, it's a beautiful place! What does make sense is getting rid of the wicked on it, and those who oppose God's Kingdom ruling the Earth.

Plus, look at the context of 2 Peter 3...he likens the destruction of the world of Noah's day with the destruction of "the heavens and the Earth THAT NOW EXIST." (The American Standard version says, "But the heavens that now are, and the Earth....; Byington's renders it, "But the present heavens and earth...") Obviously, Peter is not talking about the physical heavens, because he's saying the heavens existing in Noah's day were different than "the heavens that now are", "the present heavens." What was destroyed back then? It was the society of people and their forms of government, NOT the planet nor any physical heavens.

I hope this doesn't sound 'disjointed', I actually pieced parts of threads together. Plus, there are more Scriptures I could've used.
This is just to show that, when the Bible is misunderstood, then it seems to be contradictory. (If there are a LOT of misinterpretations, then it would seem to have MANY contradictions.) But when one understands what the Bible writers were saying, then it's harmony is beautiful, and makes sense.

Best wishes to all.

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www.jw.org

Sir, yes, sir!

The Earth won't go but mankind and the rest would end - for the New Heavens and New Earth to come in.

Zephaniah 1:2-3 New International Version (NIV)

“I will sweep away everything
from the face of the earth,”
declares the Lord.
“I will sweep away both man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds in the sky
and the fish in the sea—
and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble.”
“When I destroy all mankind
on the face of the earth,”
declares the Lord,

So it is all mankind that will be destroyed not the earth so it doesn't contradict

Ecclesiastes 1:4 New International Version (NIV)
Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.

Generations will now go - when God destroy all mankind on the face of the earth. The earth will remain forever and everything will then be new.

2 Peter 3:10New International Version (NIV)

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

Before (lots of things done with it)

And After (bare)

Because Earth will still be the planet where the New Heavens and New Earth will be.

Revelation 21:1-3 New International Version (NIV)

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

Upaava · May 10, 2017

May peace be with you,

It is difficult to understand the meaning of this quote because our understanding of how the universe works to progressively evolve life is yet incomplete. To understand it we must look at our solar system and each world as vehicles through which Almighty God progresses life. The crowning place of our system is the orbit of the Morning Star, the place of which Jesus said he was the"root and offspring," as we are the root and offspring of the Earth.

Periodically-- this is what is yet missing in scientific understanding-- each world moves up an orbit nearer the sun, at which times life is evolved to its next highest state of development-- new species adapted to live in its new orbital position. When this process soon occurs (the true cause of global warming, more severe and more frequent storms, earthquakes and volcanic activity ) Mars will move up to our present orbit (becoming the new Earth). The Earth will ascend to the crowning place of our system-- the orbit of the Morning Star (the new heaven).

This progressive movement of worlds within our system will naturally destroy all "physical" life upon our worlds, but our individuality (our souls) will be held within the Earth's great life to be reborn in new and better bodies in the subsequent orbit.

For the Earth, those who hold fast to the Earth to the end will receive their imperishable bodies, the culmination of our long journey up the evolutionary ladder as God has designed it.

"...But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star..." (Rev. 25-28)

Let those with ears hear, and eyes see.

Hockeycowboy · Aug 4, 2018

Wow! So many different views on this, interesting.

Only one can be correct!

(Yeah, yeah, I know what some here (the skeptics) will say: “Or, they can all be wrong.” I beat y’all to it, lol.)

The view presented in the OP, though, comports with all other Scriptures, and highlights God’s ‘will for the Earth’ in the Lord’s Prayer, that Jesus mentioned. — Matthew 6:9-10

nPeace · Aug 15, 2018

Hockeycowboy said:
God affirmed His purpose for the Earth @ Isaiah 45:18, 'God wants it inhabited.' And life on Earth needs the oceans to survive. So when Revelation 21:1 states "the sea is no more," it can't be literal. It is symbolic of the wicked......Isaiah 57:20 likens the "wicked" to the "sea".

The wicked will be "no more." In other words, Jehovah God's purpose for the Earth (Matthew 6:9-10) will be fulfilled. --Proverbs 2:20-22; Revelation 11:18; Isaiah 11:6-9

Edit: if "sea" was literal, Revelation 21:1 would (probably) say "the seas are no more."

I find Revelation is the most symbolic of all books. So it would apparently call for a lot more understanding/discernment - like the vision of an eagle.
Matthew 24:28 Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Wherever the body will be, there will the eagles be gathered.

What did Jesus mean by this?
If he is saying that those gathered to him - his true followers - will have understanding and discernment, like far-sighted eagles, then it means that for anyone to understand these things, they need to gather with those "eagles" to the body. Matthew 24:45

What you showed by using Peter's words - a far less symbolic book - about "heaven and earth" passing away, not being literal - would help us to see that the sea being no more can logically be understood to not be literal also, since Revelation includes heaven and earth there also.
It seems quite reasonable, but I think understanding these things is dependent on identifying the eagles.
Matthew 13:11 . . .To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted.

nPeace · Aug 15, 2018

Hockeycowboy said:
But why destroy this planet? It's beautiful! And has everything we need.

What needs to go are those who want to hurt others. With a "new" society, governed by a "new" Ruler, who can solve all of man's problems, even sickness and death. - Revelation 21:3-4; Matthew 6:10

Yes. God did say that he would never cause ruin to the earth forever... and the rainbow testifies to that. Genesis 8:21, 22

allright · Aug 16, 2018

God creates a new Heaven and new Earth because the present ones have both been touched by sin

nPeace · Aug 16, 2018

allright said:
God creates a new Heaven and new Earth because the present ones have both been touched by sin

Yes. A new heaven, and a new earth, as nicely shown here, here, here, here...
That's why Michael kicked Satan and his demons out of heaven. The heavens have been cleansed of all sin, and evil. So now, it's only the earth left to be cleansed. Revelation 12:7-12

Once the wicked are removed from it, that will happen - the earth will be cleansed of all sin and evil. All things will be made new then.

Psalms 37:9-11, 34
9 For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. 10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. 11 But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
34 Hope in Jehovah and follow his way,
And he will exalt you to take possession of the earth.
When the wicked are done away with, you will see it.

Proverbs 2:21, 22
21 For only the upright will reside in the earth, And the blameless will remain in it. 22 As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, And the treacherous will be torn away from it.

Hence, the Lord's prayer will be answered - 'Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven."
Ephesians 1:9, 10 . . .by making known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure that he himself purposed 10 for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, to gather all things together in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. . . .

1 Corinthians 15:24-28
24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

Do you agree that those texts speak of this earth?

Faithofchristian · Aug 19, 2018

Hockeycowboy said:
I hope I'm putting this in a right forum!:

There are a few verses in the Scriptures where it talks about "new heavens and a new Earth", like at Isaiah 65:17, 2 Peter 3:13, & Revelation 21:1.

Revelation 21:1 adds, "for the former heavens and the former earth had passed away; and the sea is no more."

Could this be literal? Does this mean, according to the Scriptures, that this planet is going to be destroyed? (This contradicts Ecclesiastes 1:4.)

If you take it literally, then the physical heavens are going to be destroyed, also. By fire! (2 Peter 3:7-10) That's a lot of destruction! Why? (Have they been bad?) Where are all the good people gonna go? But, if not literal, then what could these 'heavens destroyed by fire' be?

There is much figurative language in the Bible, a lot that is symbolic.

At Ephesians 3:10, Paul likened the existing governments as being in "heavenly places". You can see the correlation: just as the physical heavens are above the Earth, so governments rule over, or are "above", society. So heavens, as seen here, can refer to governments, kingdoms, & authorities.

Are the "new heavens" referring to a "new" government? Yes. God's Kingdom. Daniel 2:44 says that God will set up "a kingdom" (i.e., the "new heavens"), it will destroy "all these other kingdoms" (the "former heavens"), and it will rule forever. This Kingdom is the same one Jesus taught his followers to pray for: "let Thy Kingdom come, let Thy will be done on Earth." This Kingdom, of which Jesus is the Ruler (Isaiah 9:6-7; Daniel 7:13-14), is what will accomplish God's "will", or purpose, for the Earth.

Again, what about the Earth? Well, the Bible states in many places that the Earth will never be destroyed -- it is firmly established. Please read Psalms 78:69, and Psalms 104:5, and Ecclesiastes 1:4. Also, at Isaiah 45:18, God says the Earth is "firmly established", because He wants it inhabited, to fulfill His purpose with Adam's offspring. (See Psalms 115:16) Revelation 21:1 has to be understood figuratively. Otherwise, it contradicts these other Scriptures.

So then, what could be the correct understanding of "earth" in these passages? At Genesis 11:1, it says "all the Earth continued to be of one language, and one set of words." What has a language -- the planet, or people? People, of course. So, the Earth here has to be understood as referring to people --Society.

One last thing: how could the sea be no more? Life on Earth absolutely needs the oceans! Again, the Bible explains what it means by sea. If you read Isaiah 57:20, it likens wicked people to the sea. Aren't the wicked the more turbulent part of society?
If you apply this understanding to Revelation 21:1, "the sea is no more", it's actually telling us that wicked people will be "no more"! And this also agrees with Scripture.
-- Psalms 37:9-11, Psalms 37:29; Proverbs 2:21-22.

Of the many people I've spoken with over the years regarding this, all thought that this planet Earth would be destroyed. (It's not their fault, it is what they were taught.) But, really, why? There is no reason to destroy it, it's a beautiful place! What does make sense is getting rid of the wicked on it, and those who oppose God's Kingdom ruling the Earth.

Plus, look at the context of 2 Peter 3...he likens the destruction of the world of Noah's day with the destruction of "the heavens and the Earth THAT NOW EXIST." (The American Standard version says, "But the heavens that now are, and the Earth....; Byington's renders it, "But the present heavens and earth...") Obviously, Peter is not talking about the physical heavens, because he's saying the heavens existing in Noah's day were different than "the heavens that now are", "the present heavens." What was destroyed back then? It was the society of people and their forms of government, NOT the planet nor any physical heavens.

I hope this doesn't sound 'disjointed', I actually pieced parts of threads together. Plus, there are more Scriptures I could've used.
This is just to show that, when the Bible is misunderstood, then it seems to be contradictory. (If there are a LOT of misinterpretations, then it would seem to have MANY contradictions.) But when one understands what the Bible writers were saying, then it's harmony is beautiful, and makes sense.

Best wishes to all.

This info comes from

www.jw.org

As to how do you get that of 2 Peter 3:6 as being the flood of Noah's ?

Unto which 2 Peter 3:6, has nothing at all to do with the flood of Noah's.

If you had notice in 2 Peter 3:6, The word
( perished ) look up the definition of what
( Perished ) means and stands for.

Once you do that, then explain how
( Perished) ties into the flood of Noah's ?

Also how or where do you get the earth and heaven as being destroyed ?

Hockeycowboy · Aug 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
As to how do you get that of 2 Peter 3:6 as being the flood of Noah's ?

Unto which 2 Peter 3:6, has nothing at all to do with the flood of Noah's.

If you had notice in 2 Peter 3:6, The word
( perished ) look up the definition of what
( Perished ) means and stands for.

Once you do that, then explain how
( Perished) ties into the flood of Noah's ?

Also how or where do you get the earth and heaven as being destroyed ?

ἀπώλετο means “perished; destroyed.”
2 Peter 3:6 Greek Text Analysis ;
Greek Concordance: ἀπώλετο (apōleto) -- 5 Occurrences

“Also how or where do you get the earth and heaven as being destroyed ?”

I thought it was explained pretty well....The earth can mean world = society, as per Genesis 11:1. The heavens can mean governments, as per Ephesians 3:10. Just as the literal heavens are above/over the planet, so governments are “above/over” society. The analogy fits perfectly.

Faithofchristian · Aug 20, 2018

Hockeycowboy said:
ἀπώλετο means “perished; destroyed.”
2 Peter 3:6 Greek Text Analysis ;
Greek Concordance: ἀπώλετο (apōleto) -- 5 Occurrences

“Also how or where do you get the earth and heaven as being destroyed ?”

I thought it was explained pretty well....The earth can mean world = society, as per Genesis 11:1. The heavens can mean governments, as per Ephesians 3:10. Just as the literal heavens are above/over the planet, so governments are “above/over” society. The analogy fits perfectly.

Perished means --- to destroy, that nothing is left over, Like a person who dies, they perish, cease to exist. Like taking something and setting it on fire, that it perish cease to exist no more. It's gone for ever it perished.

As for 2 Peter 3:6, here we find that everything perished, cease to exist.

Unlike the flood of Noah's, we find Noah and his wife and sons and their wives and the animals all survived the flood.
So not everything perished or was destroyed.

Unlike that of 2 Peter 3:6, everything perished, was destroyed.

Show as to where in that flood
in 2 Peter 3:6 where anything survived.
Man or animals survived ?

2 Peter 3:6--"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water Perished"

This means that everything including man and animals cease to exist. Was destroyed off the face of the Earth. Perished, Destroyed.

So many people have a tunnel vision that they can't see anything else but the flood of Noah's, So when it comes to 2 Peter 3:6, all they can see is the flood of Noah's.
When in fact 2 Peter 3:6 has nothing at all to do with the flood of Noah's.

Which this flood is not the flood of Noah's and has nothing at all to with the flood of Noah's.
If you take the flood of Noah's, for any part of it had survived, then not everything perished nor was destroyed.

But here in 2 Peter 3:6, everything perished was destroyed, that nothing
survived it. everything cease to exist.gone for ever.

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