Is God Omnipresent?

Faithofchristian · Aug 13, 2018

Fool said:
another reference to God, or the Logos being in the logoi

3 All things were made by him; and without(outside) him was not any thing made that was made.

and even another

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

or can be written

And the Logoi was made flesh, and dwelt within us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of theFather,) full of grace and truth.

god spoke and the heaven and earth and everything that dwelt in them comes to be in God

You said ( "another reference to God, or the logos being in the logo.
3 All things were made by him; and without(outside) him was not any thing made that was made.)

There's nothing there to indicate that God as being every where and all times.

All it means is, that all things were created by God and outside of God nothing can exist.
Maybe you should read it again but slower to grasp the meaning of what is being said.

Fool · Aug 13, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Now that's amazing, as to how you come up with all that.

Now can you please let me know how exactly, If God is present every where and all times, As you say God is.

Explain exactly why didn't God know where Able was, For God ask Cain, "Where is Able your brother" Genesis 4:9

What about Adam and Eve, "And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where are you?" Genesis 3:9

Now if your correct, then why didn't God know where Adam was and where Able was?
Seeing your saying that God is present every where and all times, But yet God didn't know where Adam and Eve and Able was at.
Care to explain why God didn't know?

the elohim are plural, they are like jesus, you, and i.

the el is singular and encapsulates the elohim.

fyi, omnipresence and omniscience aren't the same thing. this thread is about omnipresence

Faithofchristian · Aug 13, 2018

shunyadragon said:
I believe it does and your clearly dodging the reality of the text.

Nope not at all, Let's for say that God is every where and all times, Ok

Now if this is to be true.

Then why didn't God know where Adam and Eve were at, because God did ask Adam and Eve, "And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where are you?" Genesis 3:9

And what about God asking Cain "And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Able your brother?" .Genesis 4:9

Seeing people will say, that God is Omnipresent, which is nothing more than man's teachings and doctrines.

But there's nothing in the Bible to support that God is Omnipresent as man's teachings will say God is.

If God is Omnipresent, But yet didn't know where Adam and Eve or Able was at.
That means God is not Omnipresent as man's teachings will say God is Omnipresent.

There are many other places in the Bible that will refute man's teachings, God as being Omnipresent as man's teachings will say.

I've confronted many Pastors, Preachers about them saying God is Omnipresent,
in being Every Where and all times. But when I ask them to explain Adam and Eve and Able, why didn't God know where they were at, they try to worm their way out of it, but it doesn't work with me, I hold them to explain.why their saying one thing and the Bible is refuting what their saying.

This is why I do not follow man's teachings.

Fool · Aug 13, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
You said ( "another reference to God, or the logos being in the logo.
3 All things were made by him; and without(outside) him was not any thing made that was made.)

There's nothing there to indicate that God as being every where and all times.

All it means is, that all things were created by God and outside of God nothing can exist.
Maybe you should read it again but slower to grasp the meaning of what is being said.

the word omnipresence wasn't created until the 1600s. the idea has been around much longer

Faithofchristian · Aug 13, 2018

Fool said:
the elohim are plural, they are like jesus, you, and i.

the el is singular and encapsulates the elohim.

fyi, omnipresence and omniscience aren't the same thing. this thread is about omnipresence

If God is Omnipresent as your trying to say God is.
Then why didn't God know where Adam and Eve were at, For God ask Adam, Where are you" Genesis 3:9.

Why didn't God know where Able was at, For God ask Cain, "Where is Able your brother" Genesis 4:9

There are many other places in the Bible, that will refute man's teachings that God as being Omnipresent.

Faithofchristian · Aug 13, 2018

Fool said:
the word omnipresence wasn't created until the 1600s. the idea has been around much longer

There you have it, Omnipresent is nothing more than man's teaching and doctrines.

Is there any wonder why Christ Jesus condemn the teachings of man's
in Matthew 15:7-9

7 "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me"

9 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

Fool · Aug 13, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
If God is Omnipresent as your trying to say God is.
Then why didn't God know where Adam and Eve were at, For God ask Adam, Where are you" Genesis 3:9.

Why didn't God know where Able was at, For God ask Cain, "Where is Able your brother" Genesis 4:9

There are many other places in the Bible, that will refute man's teachings that God as being Omnipresent.

the god who didn't know was an elohim. jesus didn't know things

Fool · Aug 13, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
There you have it, Omnipresent is nothing more than man's teaching and doctrines.

Is there any wonder why Christ Jesus condemn the teachings of man's
in Matthew 15:7-9

7 "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me"

9 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

the whole bible was written by men.

jesus condemned men that didn't follow their own rules, that is what hypocrisy is.

the word hypocrisy isn't actually used in the OT. you have a problem with that one too? the idea however is in the OT.

flattery

choneph

For a vile person speaks villainly, and his heart works iniquity, to practice flattery(hypocrisy), and to speak lies about the Lord, to empty the soul of the hungry, and the drink of the thirsty he causes to fail.

shunyadragon · Aug 13, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Nope not at all, Let's for say that God is every where and all times, Ok

Now if this is to be true.

Then why didn't God know where Adam and Eve were at, because God did ask Adam and Eve, "And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where are you?" Genesis 3:9

And what about God asking Cain "And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Able your brother?" .Genesis 4:9

Seeing people will say, that God is Omnipresent, which is nothing more than man's teachings and doctrines.

But there's nothing in the Bible to support that God is Omnipresent as man's teachings will say God is.

If God is Omnipresent, But yet didn't know where Adam and Eve or Able was at.

That means God is not Omnipresent as man's teachings will say God is Omnipresent.

I do not rely on ancient scripture based on mythology to determine my view of whether God is Omnipresent or not. Ancient world views describe God and God's acts in terms of anthropomorphic actions in time and space.

. . . in being Every Where and all times. But when I ask them to explain Adam and Eve and Able, why didn't God know where they were at, they try to worm their way out of it, but it doesn't work with me, I hold them to explain.why their saying one thing and the Bible is refuting what their saying.

This is why I do not follow man's teachings.

The accounts of Creation and Adam and Eve in the Bible represent an ancient world view of a God acting always in time and space. I have no reason to believe this is a literal account of Creation and God's nature.

I gave my view based on the more universal Baha'i view of the nature of God today.

Fool · Aug 13, 2018

shunyadragon said:
I do not rely on ancient scripture based on mythology to determine my view of whether God is Omnipresent or not. Ancient world views describe God and God's acts in terms of anthropomorphic actions in time and space.

The accounts of Creation and Adam and Eve in the Bible represent an ancient world view of a God acting always in time and space. I have no reason to believe this is a literal account of Creation and God's nature.

I gave my view based on the more universal Baha'i view of the nature of God today.

Meister Eckhart gave a good example of god.

god is a circle whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere.

time and space can be infinite in their transformation, recreation. time can be a circle, or cyclic, space too, or recyclable. neither has to be linear, or planar

eternity literally is an immeasurable amount of time and infinite space is an immeasurable amount of space. simply because mankind can't fathom, measure something takes it outside of mankinds ability to control. doesn't mean it isn't omnipresent.

sealchan · Aug 13, 2018

siti said:
Unless we are God - certainly I don't think God could possibly be omniscient unless she is also omnispresent - she would have to actually exist AS me going through life exactly as I am going through it (for every single one of us - for every intelligent and every unintelligent creation) to be truly omniscient - and that means she has to be wherever and whenever I (and evey other created thing) am at every time. But who decides where and when I am or what I do at any moment - me or God? Well it could be me - but then God knows only that she knows not (what I am about to decide) and omniscience goes straight out of the window. If God already knows what I haven't yet decided then you're right - any notion we have of free will is mistaken. God could be (kind of) omniscient but not without being omnipresent.

There's another problem for omniscience though because it also implies that the omniscient one would have to be fully aware of what it is like not to know something (or even not to know anything...i.e. to be profoundly ignorant). Clearly there has to be a qualifier for omniscience - God could, I suppose, know all that there is to be known at a particular time - but she could never know all that there is to know at all times because then she would never be able to know the limitations of knowledge at any particular time (let alone every particular time).

Anyway, even to know everything that is to be known at a particular time would certainly require God to be in every place - i.e. omnipresent - at that time.

Then again, maybe these omni things are just a load of old bunkum in every place and at every time!

I think your reasoning is sound especially if you think along the lines of a computer simulation that also knows the state of every variable in the system. But even a simulation, which runs in the reality which it is more or less mimicking, is confined by restraints of time and energy consumption, even heat or entropy limiting computational power.

But such things for the faithful are good for thought but not barriers hard to overcome if given a sufficient scope for their imaginations.

Sir Doom · Aug 13, 2018

Fool said:
actually it doesn't. all the parts are allowed to make choices but in the same instance the whole is aware of those choices, like entanglement.

swarm intelligence, hive mind, collective un-consciousness

to be all knowing would then mean all powerful. knowledge is power

thanks for signing my dance card.

cheeky

So the first paragraph I write was my assertion, after that I explain what leads me to that assertion. Do you think I'm incorrect? In what way? What is it about 'hive intelligence' that leads you to think it doesn't result in the same lack of actual individual choice and by extension lack of free will?

It's fine to disagree, of course but at least tell me why and how. All you really mention is that we are 'allowed' to make choices which clearly suggests it isn't our choice at all, that something is giving us permission. Explain, please?

Sleeppy · Aug 13, 2018

Yes, and no.

God 'created' all things of, or out of Himself, but His fullness is not contained in any single thing.

Ponder This · Aug 13, 2018

The analysts would dissect the flower.
Thus, they miss out on the very thing they examine.

Notaclue · Aug 13, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Nope not at all, Let's for say that God is every where and all times, Ok

Now if this is to be true.

Then why didn't God know where Adam and Eve were at, because God did ask Adam and Eve, "And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where are you?" Genesis 3:9

And what about God asking Cain "And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Able your brother?" .Genesis 4:9

Seeing people will say, that God is Omnipresent, which is nothing more than man's teachings and doctrines.

But there's nothing in the Bible to support that God is Omnipresent as man's teachings will say God is.

If God is Omnipresent, But yet didn't know where Adam and Eve or Able was at.
That means God is not Omnipresent as man's teachings will say God is Omnipresent.

There are many other places in the Bible that will refute man's teachings, God as being Omnipresent as man's teachings will say.

I've confronted many Pastors, Preachers about them saying God is Omnipresent,
in being Every Where and all times. But when I ask them to explain Adam and Eve and Able, why didn't God know where they were at, they try to worm their way out of it, but it doesn't work with me, I hold them to explain.why their saying one thing and the Bible is refuting what their saying.

This is why I do not follow man's teachings.

Is God omnipotent?

Heb.6:18 that through two immutable things, in which [it is] impossible for God to lie, a strong comfort we may have who did flee for refuge to lay hold on the hope set before [us],

Two of the things God cannot do……….. Change and Lie.

1Kg.8:27+2Chr.2:6+2Chr.6:18………. Cannot be contained.

1Jn.1:5 And this is the message that we have heard from Him, and announce to you, that God is light, and darkness in Him is not at all;

God cannot have darkness in Him.

God cannot…….Change…….Lie……..Be contained……..Have darkness in Him.

God is in the darkness but the darkness is not in Him

Is God all powerful?.........?

Fool · Aug 13, 2018

Sir Doom said:
So the first paragraph I write was my assertion, after that I explain what leads me to that assertion. Do you think I'm incorrect? In what way? What is it about 'hive intelligence' that leads you to think it doesn't result in the same lack of actual individual choice and by extension lack of free will?

It's fine to disagree, of course but at least tell me why and how. All you really mention is that we are 'allowed' to make choices which clearly suggests it isn't our choice at all, that something is giving us permission. Explain, please?

i already explained as why i disagree. each bot makes a choice, the program knows what the choices were.

entanglement knows what choice was made; as if it made the choice itself

atanu · Aug 13, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Now can you please let me know how exactly, If God is present every where and all times, As you say God is.

Explain exactly why didn't God know where Able was, For God ask Cain, "Where is Able your brother" Genesis 4:9?

Are you present everyplace in your body or not?

Faithofchristian · Aug 13, 2018

Notaclue said:
Is God omnipotent?

Heb.6:18 that through two immutable things, in which [it is] impossible for God to lie, a strong comfort we may have who did flee for refuge to lay hold on the hope set before [us],

Two of the things God cannot do……….. Change and Lie.

1Kg.8:27+2Chr.2:6+2Chr.6:18………. Cannot be contained.

1Jn.1:5 And this is the message that we have heard from Him, and announce to you, that God is light, and darkness in Him is not at all;

God cannot have darkness in Him.

God cannot…….Change…….Lie……..Be contained……..Have darkness in Him.

God is in the darkness but the darkness is not in Him

Is God all powerful?.........?

No one's arguing about God being Omnipotent, All powerful.

Fool · Aug 13, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
No one's arguing about God being Omnipotent, All powerful.

another one for you

be still and know that I AM god. i will be exalted among the nations, i will be exalted in the flesh

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

can be read

and i heard a great voice out of heaven saying, behold the temple of man is the house of god, and immanuel shall be with the people, and god itself will be their god.

this is why it is written.

you are the light of the world, a city set on a hill cannot be hid; which is the new jerusalem. is self

Fool · Aug 13, 2018

IT's you, IT's you, its always been you.

you have the Spirit of God, of Love within you to change people's lives.

like you've changed mine, and others.

sometimes the simplest things, seemingly inconsequential acts of kindness can have great effects, butterfly effect.

Is God Omnipresent?

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