Is God Omnipresent?

If 2 or more people are gathered together, yoked, in my name, is love there? are they of one mind?

exodus 3:14





I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

God is omnipotent and omnipresent in the context of the nature of God, and not human testimony nor ancient scripture.

Fool said:

If 2 or more people are gathered together, yoked, in my name, is love there? are they of one mind?

exodus 3:14

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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Eph.4:6 (NAS) one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.



1Kg.8:27 (NAS) “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!



Jer.23:24 (NAS) "Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD. "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.



But will God indeed dwell on the earth?..........

At least where humans are and perhaps other living creatures with similar capability, there is the potential for god.

Fool said:

If 2 or more people are gathered together, yoked, in my name, is love there? are they of one mind?

exodus 3:14

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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First, can you show and give one verse in the Bible that says, God as being Omnipresent.

Where exactly is that written at.

Faithofchristian said:

First, can you show and give one verse in the Bible that says, God as being Omnipresent.

Where exactly is that written at.

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Someone has already been gracious enough to do that for me. See above for post by notaclue

Eph.4:6 (NAS) one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.


Also Colossians 3:11

Fool said:

Someone has already been gracious enough to do that for me. See above for post by notaclue

Eph.4:6 (NAS) one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.


Also Colossians 3:11

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That says nothing about God as being Omnipresent. As in all knowing. Nice try, but try again

Faithofchristian said:

That says nothing about God as being Omnipresent. As in all knowing. Nice try, but try again

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strange but over all and through all and in all is not knowing all. that is being present everywhere and at all time. that is omniscient

and both verses speaks of god being present everywhere and all times.

case in point

If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.


the bible doesn't condone idolatry

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

that is what the name at exodus 3:14 implies; that god is all that and in all that

Faithofchristian said:

That says nothing about God as being Omnipresent. As in all knowing. Nice try, but try again

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another reference to God, or the Logos being in the logoi


3 All things were made by him; and without(outside) him was not any thing made that was made.

and even another

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

or can be written

And the Logoi was made flesh, and dwelt within us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of theFather,) full of grace and truth.



god spoke and the heaven and earth and everything that dwelt in them comes to be in God

Faithofchristian said:

That says nothing about God as being Omnipresent. As in all knowing. Nice try, but try again

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I believe it does and your clearly dodging the reality of the text.

shunyadragon said:

I believe it does and your clearly dodging the reality of the text.

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squeeze that fruit and make us some spirits


soma

Fool said:

work that mojo daddy

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The problem is how you define Omnipresent. Most who believe God is literally everywhere in time and space

In my view God is not defined by time and space and being everywhere in space and time, God would be the spiritual equivalent of the Quantum World. God's existence is eternal and independent of our time and space physical existence, but determines the nature of our existence through natural Creation, which is eternal with God like the eternal Quantum World.

I believe that omnipresence even more so than omnipotence and omniscience nullfies 'free will'.

Omnipresence, as I understand it, means that God exists throughout time. Past, present and future are all simultaneous. As this being is responsible for creation it means that our birth and our death and everything in between (from the omnipresent perspective) are all the same object. If we think of God 'calling us into existence' (for lack of a better description) then every 'choice' we make is being 'called into existence' at the same time. The idea of omnipresent God 'calling us into existence' and then seeing what we 'choose' is not possible as omnipresent God is seeing what we 'choose' before, after and during every 'choice' simultaneously. Omnipresent God's choice to 'call us into existence' is a choice to call everything we choose into existence, as well. This would mean every 'choice' we make is really Omnipresent God's choice. No choice, no 'free will'.

I don't believe in Omnigods. This is one of many reasons why. It's a selfish reason as opposed to a logical one, I'll admit. Free will isn't necessarily a thing, anyway. I'm not even sure what makes free will different from will. Seems like an extra word for no reason.

Anyway, I don't know if God is Omnipresent or not, but I hope not. I'd rather there wasn't one at all, if that's the case.

Sir Doom said:

I believe that omnipresence even more so than omnipotence and omniscience nullfies 'free will'.

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actually it doesn't. all the parts are allowed to make choices but in the same instance the whole is aware of those choices, like entanglement.


swarm intelligence, hive mind, collective un-consciousness


to be all knowing would then mean all powerful. knowledge is power


thanks for signing my dance card.

cheeky

shunyadragon said:

The problem is how you define Omnipresent. Most who believe God is literally everywhere in time and space

In my view God is not defined by time and space and being everywhere in space and time, God would be the spiritual equivalent of the Quantum World. God's existence is eternal and independent of our time and space physical existence, but determines the nature of our existence through natural Creation, which is eternal with God like the eternal Quantum World.

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But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;


Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.


24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

attis - i feel pretty

the church of laodicea and cybele

Sir Doom said:

I believe that omnipresence even more so than omnipotence and omniscience nullfies 'free will'.

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Unless we are God - certainly I don't think God could possibly be omniscient unless she is also omnispresent - she would have to actually exist AS me going through life exactly as I am going through it (for every single one of us - for every intelligent and every unintelligent creation) to be truly omniscient - and that means she has to be wherever and whenever I (and evey other created thing) am at every time. But who decides where and when I am or what I do at any moment - me or God? Well it could be me - but then God knows only that she knows not (what I am about to decide) and omniscience goes straight out of the window. If God already knows what I haven't yet decided then you're right - any notion we have of free will is mistaken. God could be (kind of) omniscient but not without being omnipresent.

There's another problem for omniscience though because it also implies that the omniscient one would have to be fully aware of what it is like not to know something (or even not to know anything...i.e. to be profoundly ignorant). Clearly there has to be a qualifier for omniscience - God could, I suppose, know all that there is to be known at a particular time - but she could never know all that there is to know at all times because then she would never be able to know the limitations of knowledge at any particular time (let alone every particular time).

Anyway, even to know everything that is to be known at a particular time would certainly require God to be in every place - i.e. omnipresent - at that time.

Then again, maybe these omni things are just a load of old bunkum in every place and at every time!

siti said:

Unless we are God

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Even then, I would say. I am not omnipresent in an aware sense but something must be in order for it to be omnipresent God. Even if it is a collective mind/soul/what-have-you, that still means something higher is doing something through you (and everything else) all at once. That means the actual choice is happening aside from what we see it as. Somewhere 'on top' of time or something equally baffling.

certainly I don't think God could possibly be omniscient unless she is also omnispresent - she would have to actually exist AS me going through life exactly as I am going through it (for every single one of us - for every intelligent and every unintelligent creation) to be truly omniscient - and that means she has to be wherever and whenever I (and evey other created thing) am at every time.

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I most certainly agree. I believe (and have argued in the past) that omnipotence implies omniscience and now, as you say here it seems that omniscience in turn implies omnipresence. All that really means to me is that omnipotence is plenty to describe all three. But you know, small victories.

But who decides where and when I am or what I do at any moment - me or God? Well it could be me - but then God knows only that she knows not (what I am about to decide) and omniscience goes straight out of the window. If God already knows what I haven't yet decided then you're right - any notion we have of free will is mistaken. God could be (kind of) omniscient but not without being omnipresent.

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It's sort of a functional equivalent I suppose?

There's another problem for omniscience though because it also implies that the omniscient one would have to be fully aware of what it is like not to know something (or even not to know anything...i.e. to be profoundly ignorant). Clearly there has to be a qualifier for omniscience - God could, I suppose, know all that there is to be known at a particular time - but she could never know all that there is to know at all times because then she would never be able to know the limitations of knowledge at any particular time (let alone every particular time).

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It must know how to induce temporary ignorance, as well. Or more to the point, permanent ignorance.

Anyway, even to know everything that is to be known at a particular time would certainly require God to be in every place - i.e. omnipresent - at that time.

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I agree, or at least it would be incredibly tough to tell the difference even from that perspective.

Then again, maybe these omni things are just a load of old bunkum in every place and at every time!

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Lol, touche!

I don't see much biblical evidence for it, but I believe God is the universe, like all the constituent parts make up His body, so in that sense, yes. However, the bible tries its hardest to claim God doesn't show up here, here, here, here, here, here, etc.

On balance, I think I prefer a more deistic version - that is to say God is omniabsent - and therefore doesn't have a clue what's happening, couldn't care less and probably couldn't do a darn thing about it even he did...

Fool said:

strange but over all and through all and in all is not knowing all. that is being present everywhere and at all time. that is omniscient

and both verses speaks of god being present everywhere and all times.

case in point

If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.


the bible doesn't condone idolatry

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

that is what the name at exodus 3:14 implies; that god is all that and in all that

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Now that's amazing, as to how you come up with all that.

Now can you please let me know how exactly, If God is present every where and all times, As you say God is.

Explain exactly why didn't God know where Able was, For God ask Cain, "Where is Able your brother" Genesis 4:9

What about Adam and Eve, "And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where are you?" Genesis 3:9

Now if your correct, then why didn't God know where Adam was and where Able was?
Seeing your saying that God is present every where and all times, But yet God didn't know where Adam and Eve and Able was at.
Care to explain why God didn't know?