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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Ezekiel 34:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against the shepherds; and I will require My flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. 11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, [even] I, will both search My sheep, and seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeketh out His flock in the day that He is among His sheep [that are] scattered; so will I seek out My sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up [that which was] broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, [even] I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. 21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and He shall feed them, [even] My servant David[loving]; He shall feed them, and He shall be their shepherd.

Zechariah 13:6 And [one] shall say unto Him, What [are] these wounds in Thine hands? Then He shall answer, [Those] with which I was wounded [in] the house of My friends. 7 Awake, O sword, against My shepherd, and against the man [that is] My fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn Mine hand upon the little ones. 8 And it shall come to pass, [that] in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off [and] die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on My name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] My people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] My God.
14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle. 4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives*, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee [to] the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD My God shall come, [and] all the saints with Thee.

Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the LORD [is] near, [it is] near, and hasteth greatly, [even] the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. 15 That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Zechariah 11: 15 And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.* 16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, [which] shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

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* Someone said that standing in "the holy place" which Jesus mentions, is where Jesus was teaching at the time: the Mount of Olives. If that's true, then the beast will come prior to this event, with his own followers, and pretend to be Jesus; he will have the locusts from the pit and they will mark their own kind with a visible mark. In Joel, these locusts are people. The breastplate of the locusts is iron... that of the 200m is fire and jacinth and brimstone... IMHO, these are the same people, enlarged by the marking of scorpions... some once-dead, some not.
* Since the Day of Wrath is tied to the dark and cloudy day, Jerusalem will again be scattered... by some version of the above event.
* The worthless shepherd is the false prophet, IMHO.
* Revelation 3:18 "I counsel thee to buy of Me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."
* John 10:14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My [sheep], and am known by Mine, 15 according as the Father doth know Me, and I know the Father, and My life I lay down for the sheep, 16 and other sheep I have that are not of this fold, these also it behoveth Me to bring, and My voice they will hear, and there shall become one flock -- one shepherd."
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I reserve the right to tweak much of this...
Except: the One Shepherd is sold as a rock.
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
That is when the sun is darkened, end of time, and God comes here; which burns/baptizes people with a Holy Fire.

That was at the Diaspora after they murdered Yeshua as prophesied.

In my opinion. :innocent:

I thought it was about the dispersion after the temple fell and they fled, until I looked up the dark and cloudy day. And that happens in the Day of the Lord. Israel will again be scattered.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

This means "Resist not evil," because God will do to man what man has done to others, in the dark and cloudy day of the Lord. Self-defense is not Kingdom Gospel. They murdered Jesus and they will pay for it, or be purged for it.

Baptized or anointed by fire is also not Kingdom Gospel. Fire is for purging gold of the dross. In this case, the gold is Judah which doesn't believe Jesus is the Messiah. The 7 vials are the time of Jacob's trial, which are poured out full strength, not by thirds of the seals. The Gentiles will already have been gathered; wheat to God's barn, tares to Armageddon. And in the wheat of God's barn, there will be Gentile blood and Lost Israel mixed as one.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Matthew 21:37 "And at last He sent unto them His Son, saying, They will reverence My Son; 38 and the husbandmen having seen the Son, said among themselves, This is the Heir, come, we may kill Him, and may possess His inheritance; 39 and having taken Him, they cast out of the vineyard, and killed Him; 40 whenever therefore the Lord of the vineyard may come, what will He do to these husbandmen?'
21:41 They say to Him, `Evil men -- He will evilly destroy them, and the vineyard will give out to other husbandmen, who will give back to Him the fruits in their seasons."

Matthew 22:4 "Again He sent forth other servants, saying, Say to those who have been called: Lo, My dinner I prepared, My oxen and the fatlings have been killed, and all things [are] ready, come ye to the marriage-feasts; 5 and they, having disregarded [it], went away, the one to his own field, and the other to his merchandise; 6 and the rest, having laid hold on His servants, did insult and slay [them].
22:7 `And the king having heard, was wroth, and having sent forth His soldiers, He destroyed those murderers, and their city He set on fire; 8 then saith He to His servants, The marriage-feast indeed is ready, and those called were not worthy, 9 be going, then, on to the cross-ways, and as many as ye may find, call ye to the marriage-feasts."

Matthew 23:34 "Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth"

Revelation 11:7 "And when they may finish their testimony, the beast that is coming up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them,"
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; 2 this one was in the beginning with God; 3 all things through Him did happen, and without Him happened not even one thing that hath happened. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men, 5 and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it. ... 14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth."

Matthew 10:26 "Ye may not, therefore, fear them, for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, and hid, that shall not be known; 27 that which I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light, and that which you hear at the ear, proclaim on the house-tops. 28 And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for an assar? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father; 30 and of you -- even the hairs of the head are all numbered; 31 be not therefore afraid, than many sparrows ye are better. 32 Every one, therefore, who shall confess in Me before men, I also will confess in him before My Father who is in the heavens; 33 and whoever shall deny Me before men, I also will deny him before My Father who is in the heavens."

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Matthew 15:7 "Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people doth draw nigh to Me with their mouth, and with the lips it doth honour Me, but their heart is far off from Me; 9 and in vain do they worship Me, teaching teachings -- commands of men."

Esaias 29:9 Faint ye, and be amazed, and be overpowered, not with strong drink nor with wine. 10 For the Lord has made you to drink a spirit of deep sleep; and He shall close their eyes, and the eyes of their prophets and of their rulers, who see secret things.
11 And all these things shall be to you as the words of this sealed book, which if they shall give to a learned man, saying, Read this, he shall then say, I cannot read it, for it is sealed. 12 And this book shall be given into the hands of a man that is unlearned, and one shall say to him, Read this; and he shall say, I am not learned.
13 And the Lord has said, This people draw nigh to Me with their mouth, and they honour Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me: but in vain do they worship Me, teaching the commandments and doctrines of men. 14 Therefore behold I will proceed to remove this people, and I will remove them: and I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will hide the understanding of the prudent.
15 Woe to them that deepen their counsel, and not by the Lord. Woe to them that take secret counsel, and whose works are in darkness, and they say, Who has seen us? and who shall know us, or what we do? 16 Shall ye not be counted as clay of the potter? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Thou didst not form me? or the work to the maker, Thou hast not made me wisely?
17 Is it not yet a little while, and Libanus shall be changed as the mountains of Chermel, and Chermel shall be reckoned as a forest? 18 And in that day the deaf shall hear the words of the book, and they that are in darkness, and they that are in mist: the eyes of the blind shall see, 19 and the poor shall rejoice with joy because of the Lord, and they that had no hope among men shall be filled with joy.
20 The lawless man has come to nought, and the proud man has perished, and they that transgress mischievously have been utterly destroyed: 21 and they that cause men to sin by a word: and men shall make all that reprove in the gates an offence, because they have unjustly turned aside the righteous."
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I thought it was about the dispersion after the temple fell and they fled, until I looked up the dark and cloudy day. And that happens in the Day of the Lord. Israel will again be scattered.

Israel is already "scattered among the nations" (Ezekiel 36:24) It is only Judah/Jews and Jerusalem who have been "restored" (Joel 3:1). There will be no more dispersion. There will only be the fleeing by the valley mountains (Joel 2:31-32) & Zechariah 14:1-5, and the "Lord will go forth to fight" (Zech 14:3). This would be when the "cities of the nations fell" (Rev 16:19).
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Ezekiel 36:24-26 "And I have taken you out of the nations, And have gathered you out of all the lands, And I have brought you in unto your land, And I have sprinkled over you clean water, And ye have been clean; From all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols, I do cleanse you. And I have given to you a new heart, And a new spirit I give in your midst, And I have turned aside the heart of stone out of your flesh, And I have given to you a heart of flesh."

That obviously hasn't happened yet.

And neither has any of this:


Joel 2:31-3:2 "And I have given wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, Blood and fire, and columns of smoke. The sun is turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, Before the coming of the day of Jehovah, The great and the fearful. And it hath come to pass, Every one who calleth in the name of Jehovah is delivered, For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there is an escape, As Jehovah hath said, And among the remnants whom Jehovah is calling! 3:1 For lo, in those days, and in that time, When I turn back [to] the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, Then I have gathered all the nations, And caused them to go down unto the valley of Jehoshaphat..."

Zechariah 14:1-5 "Lo, a day hath come to Jehovah, And divided hath been thy spoil in thy midst. And I have gathered all the nations unto Jerusalem to battle, And captured hath been the city, And spoiled have been the houses, And the women are lain with, Gone forth hath half the city in a removal, And the remnant of the people are not cut off from the city. And gone forth hath Jehovah, And He hath fought against those nations, As in the day of His fighting in a day of conflict. And stood have His feet, in that day, On the mount of Olives, That [is] before Jerusalem eastward, And cleft hath been the mount of Olives at its midst, To the east, and to the west, a very great valley, And removed hath the half of the mount towards the north. And its half towards the south. And ye have fled [to] the valley of My mountains, For join doth the valley of the mountains to Azal, And ye have fled as ye fled before the shaking, In the days of Uzziah king of Judah, And come in hath Jehovah My God, All holy ones [are] with Thee."

Revelation 14:1 "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads." (3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee... 12 and I will write upon him the name of My God...)

Revelation 16:19 "And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath."

Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

Revelation 18:24 "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

Mathew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!"
John 1:11 He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.
Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, 'His blood [be] on us, and on our children.'
Matthew 21:39 "And they caught Him, and cast [Him] out of the vineyard, and slew [Him]. 21:40 When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will He do unto those husbandmen?'
21:41 They say unto Him, 'He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [His] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render Him the fruits in their seasons.'"
Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, 'I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'

Matthew 23:34 "Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."

Matthew 22:4 Again, He sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared My dinner: My oxen and [My] fatlings [are] killed, and all things [are] ready: come unto the marriage. 22:5 But they made light of [it], and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: 22:6 And the remnant took His servants, and entreated [them] spitefully, and slew [them]. 22:7 But when the King heard [thereof], He was wroth: and He sent forth His armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city."

Zechariah 14:11 "And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction, but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Ezekiel 36:24-26 "And I have taken you out of the nations, And have gathered you out of all the lands, And I have brought you in unto your land, And I have sprinkled over you clean water, And ye have been clean; From all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols, I do cleanse you. And I have given to you a new heart, And a new spirit I give in your midst, And I have turned aside the heart of stone out of your flesh, And I have given to you a heart of flesh."

That obviously hasn't happened yet.

And neither has any of this:


Joel 2:31-3:2 "And I have given wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, Blood and fire, and columns of smoke. The sun is turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, Before the coming of the day of Jehovah, The great and the fearful. And it hath come to pass, Every one who calleth in the name of Jehovah is delivered, For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there is an escape, As Jehovah hath said, And among the remnants whom Jehovah is calling! 3:1 For lo, in those days, and in that time, When I turn back [to] the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, Then I have gathered all the nations, And caused them to go down unto the valley of Jehoshaphat..."

Zechariah 14:1-5 "Lo, a day hath come to Jehovah, And divided hath been thy spoil in thy midst. And I have gathered all the nations unto Jerusalem to battle, And captured hath been the city, And spoiled have been the houses, And the women are lain with, Gone forth hath half the city in a removal, And the remnant of the people are not cut off from the city. And gone forth hath Jehovah, And He hath fought against those nations, As in the day of His fighting in a day of conflict. And stood have His feet, in that day, On the mount of Olives, That [is] before Jerusalem eastward, And cleft hath been the mount of Olives at its midst, To the east, and to the west, a very great valley, And removed hath the half of the mount towards the north. And its half towards the south. And ye have fled [to] the valley of My mountains, For join doth the valley of the mountains to Azal, And ye have fled as ye fled before the shaking, In the days of Uzziah king of Judah, And come in hath Jehovah My God, All holy ones [are] with Thee."

Revelation 14:1 "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads." (3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee... 12 and I will write upon him the name of My God...)

Revelation 16:19 "And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath."

Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

Revelation 18:24 "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

Mathew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!"
John 1:11 He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.
Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, 'His blood [be] on us, and on our children.'
Matthew 21:39 "And they caught Him, and cast [Him] out of the vineyard, and slew [Him]. 21:40 When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will He do unto those husbandmen?'
21:41 They say unto Him, 'He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [His] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render Him the fruits in their seasons.'"
Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, 'I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'

Matthew 23:34 "Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."

Matthew 22:4 Again, He sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared My dinner: My oxen and [My] fatlings [are] killed, and all things [are] ready: come unto the marriage. 22:5 But they made light of [it], and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: 22:6 And the remnant took His servants, and entreated [them] spitefully, and slew [them]. 22:7 But when the King heard [thereof], He was wroth: and He sent forth His armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city."

Zechariah 14:11 "And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction, but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."

The house of Israel remains scattered among the nations. (Ez 36:24) Judah and Jerusalem have been restored (Joel 3:1). It is only now that the nations can be gathered to the valley of judgment against Jerusalem to be judged (Joel 3:2) & (Zechariah 14:1-3) This period is when the LORD "will go forth and fight. It is after this fight/Har-Magedon that the house of Israel will be joined with the house of Judah. That is when "David will be king over them" (Ez 37:24). This is the time period that 1/3 of mankind "was killed" …"by fire and smoke"(Rev 9:18).
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You know, those not familiar with the Bible might understand your posts a lot better if you used a modern translation....that archaic English hasn't been used in the general population for about 2 centuries. Some people find it completely annoying....including me...sorry. :(
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Joel 2:31-3:2 "And I have given wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, Blood and fire, and columns of smoke. The sun is turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, Before the coming of the day of Jehovah, The great and the fearful. And it hath come to pass, Every one who calleth in the name of Jehovah is delivered, For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there is an escape, As Jehovah hath said, And among the remnants whom Jehovah is calling! 3:1 For lo, in those days, and in that time, When I turn back [to] the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, Then I have gathered all the nations, And caused them to go down unto the valley of Jehoshaphat..."

Judah and Jerusalem have been restored (Joel 3:1).

Apparenlty only the Sephardim are Judahites... for which they are being persecuted even in their own land, by the Khazar-converts.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
You know, those not familiar with the Bible might understand your posts a lot better if you used a modern translation....that archaic English hasn't been used in the general population for about 2 centuries. Some people find it completely annoying....including me...sorry. :(
"Let him who thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall"

:eek:

I'm sorry for you, too. Seriously.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
"Let him who thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall"

Why?....because I prefer a Bible in more modern English? o_O

You do understand that the KJV is a translation and that it has been revised a few times? You do know that the Bible was not written in archaic English? Just checking.....

I'm sorry for you, too. Seriously.

Goodness :eek: I am judged for preferring the Bible in language that I actually understand?

Do you speak archaic English at home? Me neither. :D
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Joel 2:31-3:2 "And I have given wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, Blood and fire, and columns of smoke. The sun is turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, Before the coming of the day of Jehovah, The great and the fearful. And it hath come to pass, Every one who calleth in the name of Jehovah is delivered, For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there is an escape, As Jehovah hath said, And among the remnants whom Jehovah is calling! 3:1 For lo, in those days, and in that time, When I turn back [to] the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, Then I have gathered all the nations, And caused them to go down unto the valley of Jehoshaphat..."



Apparenlty only the Sephardim are Judahites... for which they are being persecuted even in their own land, by the Khazar-converts.

If one does not understand the terms "house of Israel", and "house of Judah", they are fighting an up hill battle.
 
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