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Far-right thugs invade socialist book store in London

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It always amazes me as a Mancunian how the Scouse accent suddenly appears in St Helens; similarly you can be in Carlisle with no hint of a Scottish accent, then boom, you hit Gretna and it's "Och ooh the nae"


I understand Mancunian fine, we speak almost the same language, I'm from just a few miles north, Preston area.

Same with brummy, head down to stafford and all is well, a little further to Wolverhampton and "oil roight? wana kipper tie"

Translation : cup of tea
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Yes. No arrests have been made as yet.

That does seem strange.

We've got one here in Glasgow and now I'm a bit worried there might be copy-cat attacks on it. That said, we're not nearly as bad for this kind of crap as England is. Don't get me wrong; we do have the far-right element here but they're are way more to the fringe than the English far-right are getting at the moment :(

Do they have any far-right bookstores to compare with? Do they get attacked as well?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
The bullyboys are sensing a new moment of mayhem, a-comin'. It's what they've been waiting for.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
English accents luv? Which region of england spawns the English accent?

Why did you change it from plural to singular? We're talking about multiple accents here.

From my travels i would suggest BBC land and their middle england dramas or cockney as the world view the english accent.

My accent is west lancashire*. 30 miles south west and i dont understand a word of scouse accent, 30 miles east and the accent of the moors mill towns is lost on me.

Regardless, the accents of the people in the video are native to England.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I understand Mancunian fine, we speak almost the same language, I'm from just a few miles north, Preston area.

Same with brummy, head down to stafford and all is well, a little further to Wolverhampton and "oil roight? wana kipper tie"

Translation : cup of tea
Flippin' eck it's a small world is the net. I used to work in Longridge but now live in the posh south west of Manchester on the tram line

UK accents are a mystery … but fun
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Why did you change it from plural to singular? We're talking about multiple accents here.



Regardless, the accents of the people in the video are native to England.

I changed it because my first was a question to your post, my second spotlighted the archetypal "english"accent

So are many other accents just as there are many Scottish accents
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Flippin' eck it's a small world is the net. I used to work in Longridge but now live in the posh south west of Manchester on the tram line

UK accents are a mystery … but fun

Im from Ribchester but spent my married life around leyland. Hubby is from bowden just out of the posh SW and into the posher bit.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Im from Ribchester but spent my married life around leyland. Hubby is from bowden just out of the posh SW and into the posher bit.
Flipping heck, used to fish the Ribble in Ribchester.
I'm from the rough end of Altrincham (Hence my name Alt - Fish) in Timperley. Still live there with wife and surrounded by family. I went to Alty Grammar in Bowden, many moons ago.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
What is hate?

Extreme anger and resentment - and the resulting words & actions directed at a person or group of people; often for reasons they can do nothing about i.e. religion, race etc. This is why we have things like the Equality Act 2010 which means people aren't subject to degradation or being treated like second class citizens for being who they are.

Speech you don't like? That's the whole problem, there is plenty of speech not to like. This target is moving and the broadest brush possible.

I happen to dislike hate speech but that's not what makes it something to be criminalised.


Certainly, those who directly call for violence and abuse need no platform but most of these guys are not like that. What about them?

How would you know? How many of the guys in the video are you familiar with?


The stupidity, of course, is thinking that the target will not move to some other undesirable group. In the 1950's it was commies, in the 60s and 70s gays, and no doubt after all of the Alex Jone's and Fox News channels are cleared out it might be YOU. Who are you? Well, they already know and you're already on the hit list -- they must have one, or they wouldn't be on with the shadow bans and page deletions. Are you 100% grade A liberal? If not, you're probably on the list somewhere. They'll start with the "problems" and see what happens, and if nothing does... Everyone else that talks about something they don't like will go next. Of course, what they don't like will change tomorrow. Obviously, no one is 100% this or that... Even the liberals... But, wrong-think will get you "unpersoned" like some science fiction Orwellian nightmare. If you think it can't happen keep your eyes closed, but the tremors of the catastrophe are already shaking the ground. Do you have a million dollars like Alex Jones to keep yourself on the Internet? Who's really dumb enough to not see where this is going?

You know, far-right politicians & activists have been saying things like this for decades - fear-mongering that 'the left' are trying to bring in some sort of thought-police-state or some ****. It's the same **** with 'they're going to take our guns away' - it hasn't happened and it's not going to happen. All this nonsense about 'freedom of speech' from the far-right is just dog-whistling for 'freedom from consequences for my bigotry'. Think I'm wrong? Look at the videos I posted. How do they react when confronted with opposing points of view? They go ape **** because they don't know how to deal with what they're looking at. If they'd read the blurb of any of those books they'd have gained an understanding of what the books are about. More broadly; look at Christian religious freedom laws in the States which allow employers to violate rights laws with impunity 'becoz Jesus'.


At least someone around here gets it...

The greatest irony of all is that the poem @Altfish quoted undermines your position because it refers to people affected by far-right censorship and oppression. This censorship & oppression is the direct result of not de-platforming and silencing far-right bigotry wherever it rears its ugly head - thereby giving it the chance to seize power - because such things make it inherently dangerous for minorities, or pretty much anyone who dares to dissent, to work and live. Its called the paradox of tolerance.


It doesn't matter if you are right or left or whatever...

I've yet to see you condemn a far-right attack on a socialist bookshop in this thread. You've just engaged in the expected apologetics and whataboutery that occurs whenever someone raises an example of right-wing ****tery.


Today the forces that be lean left on the Internet, but what is the left tomorrow and the next day? Think about the gap between classical liberalism and modern day progressive liberalism. Will the liberals ten years down the road consider you a liberal? Who knows... That's the whole freaking problem... I can't predict that, nor can anyone else.

You're over-analysing this; why not worry about whether a black hole is going to swallow the Earth tomorrow. How do we know it won't happen? That's the whole freaking problem, right?


We don't need to have these companies sanitize our content for us -- we can switch off the channel if we don't like it just like the old days. If we allow these people to be our gatekeepers they gain fair too much influence on us -- like being able to mind control everyone with propaganda by simply limiting the messages you can see, like ever.

That's cool and all but this isn't just about things we consume through the media because what people consume via media impacts how they act in the wider world. What about minorities who can't "switch off the channel"? What about some LGBT guy who gets fired from his job because his manager read in the paper that he's dating a male co-worker and "Christian religious freedom" laws say he can do that - whether the allegation is true or not? What about some black guy who's worried because neo-Nazis are holding open-carry rallies in his hometown and he's afraid to step outside because he might get spotted?


Start using social media like Minds, Gab, or *****ute (don't know why this forum censors bit-chute, lol) which are free speech absolutists. (barring illegal activity of course) Your connections are your votes... Put the votes in the right place.

Ah ha! So they aren't free speech absolutists after all! There are limits on what you can post! Censorship. (sarcasm)
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
It is interesting though that you do not condemn the actions in the UK, instead you say, 'but look your side did it too'...as my Mum used to say, "Two wrongs do not make a right"
These past two years have made painfully revealed how so many of us have forgotten that.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
The Jewish Bookshop attack was initially blamed on the 'left-wing', it was only when the culprits were identified that it became apparent who the real agitators were.

It is interesting though that you do not condemn the actions in the UK, instead you say, 'but look your side did it too'...as my Mum used to say, "Two wrongs do not make a right"
London is an example of the sheep of a socialist agenda getting mowed down by the wolves with free reign to kill them with cars and trucks. Hopefully, the US will be able to hold on to their freedom of arms to protect themselves against such wolves.

Being one of the "fish in the barrel" isn't my idea of a safe and secure position in a world of terrorist activity.

To each his own.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
London is an example of the sheep of a socialist agenda getting mowed down by the wolves with free reign to kill them with cars and trucks. Hopefully, the US will be able to hold on to their freedom of arms to protect themselves against such wolves.

Being one of the "fish in the barrel" isn't my idea of a safe and secure position in a world of terrorist activity.

To each his own.
You're obviously not a regular visitor to London to be able to make such wild claims. As someone who gets down 3 or 4 times a year, I have no hesitation going.
I'd rather be in a country with gun laws and most cops without guns - I feel safe.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
You're obviously not a regular visitor to London to be able to make such wild claims. As someone who gets down 3 or 4 times a year, I have no hesitation going.
I'd rather be in a country with gun laws and most cops without guns - I feel safe.
It's not just London. Paris, as well as other big cities, even in the US. Everyone has probably heard about all the shootings in Chicago last weekend. 63 shot and many dead over the weekend. And Chicago is a gun free zone/city.

Let's see what things are like 15 years from now, Brussels was the home of where the guns came from in the Paris attacks. Let's see how effective your "gun laws" are when you are starring down a barrel of an AK47 by someone who "didn't follow the law". Sounds like the unarmed cops are not going to help you out.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
So a bunch of thugs wearing 'Make Britain Great Again' hats holding 'BBC = Bolshevik Brainwashing Cult' signs and chanting both Trump's and Tommy Robinson Yaxley-Lennon's names invaded a socialist bookshop. During the course of the video the cameraman finds a book called The Jewish Question and deliberately tried to portray the store owner as anti-Semitic without the slightest hint of irony. In the italicised name you'll find a link to the book on Amazon which explains what the book is actually about.

Thankfully these nutters didn't do a lot of damage; they tore up some signs the shop was selling, threatened the shop-keep and generally made themselves look like the idiots they are. That said; it feels like this was a test - a dip in the water to check the temperature, so to speak. If they can get away with doing this then how long will it take to escalate to actual personal violence? The latest incident in an increasingly right-wing atmosphere here in the UK.


I guess the 'free Tommy Robinson' crowd don't give as much of a **** about free speech as they like to pretend.
Aren't these people doing what Maxine Waters told her constituents to do?

What's good for the goose........
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
It's not just London. Paris, as well as other big cities, even in the US. Everyone has probably heard about all the shootings in Chicago last weekend. 63 shot and many dead over the weekend. And Chicago is a gun free zone/city.

Let's see what things are like 15 years from now, Brussels was the home of where the guns came from in the Paris attacks. Let's see how effective your "gun laws" are when you are starring down a barrel of an AK47 by someone who "didn't follow the law". Sounds like the unarmed cops are not going to help you out.
We are in an age of terrorism and gang related violence. If your name is on the bomb, there is little you can do about terrorism. Guns are different, they can be controlled, as can knives. Yes, criminals will get some, but if the supply is difficult to get hold of it reduces numbers.
I don't know how many were killed by guns in London last week, less than 2 I suspect, knives are more of a problem but it tends to be inter-gang with occasional collateral damage.
IIRC Regarding the police carrying guns. In a ten year period 2005-15 there were less than 25 deaths by police shootings - and most of them were deliberate and planned after adequate warnings. (I stand to be corrected on this) Most deaths caused by police in the UK are because of car chases.
Overall gun deaths in the UK are about 50 a year.
If you start arming the 'people' and the police gun deaths rise astronomically.
 

Loviatar

Red Tory/SpongeBob Conservative
You can't just isolate out an armed terror attack and say "this is what European cities look like," and immediately jumping to an American city (Chicago) afterwards isn't really helping the case. Gun death rates are significantly lower in European countries, probably due to an interrelated mix of gun laws and a less violent culture. I think the cultural element is often understated, but it's a distinction without a difference since it enables those laws in the first place.

I'm also wondering why gun law and the Alex Jones YouTube drama are being brought up by the right here, in lieu of actually condemning the attack. I say this as someone who is a European conservative, not a liberal.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
You can't just isolate out an armed terror attack and say "this is what European cities look like," and immediately jumping to an American city (Chicago) afterwards isn't really helping the case. Gun death rates are significantly lower in European countries, probably due to an interrelated mix of gun laws and a less violent culture. I think the cultural element is often understated, but it's a distinction without a difference since it enables those laws in the first place.

I'm also wondering why gun law and the Alex Jones YouTube drama are being brought up by the right here, in lieu of actually condemning the attack. I say this as someone who is a European conservative, not a liberal.

Well said and welcome to the forum! :D


Aren't these people doing what Maxine Waters told her constituents to do?

What's good for the goose........

No it's not and this whataboutery doesn't wash. Maxine Waters did not call for violence, intimidation or destruction of property; she called for 'harassment and public confrontation' of those holding political office because they support policies which are flagrant rights' violations, are inhumane and are encouraging the profiting off of suffering - and these politicians are not otherwise interested in hearing from their constituents. That's the whole point of holding public office though - you're accountable to your electorate otherwise you don't belong in the job.

So what you're trying to derail the thread with doesn't even compare to the situation of a bunch of EDL failures storming into a socialist bookshop and rowdying up the place. The bookshop isn't 'part of the establishment'; its owner isn't an MP or a councillor. They're just doing it because they disagree.

Please try and focus on the issue of the OP.
 
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