Why Can't I See God?

Frater Sisyphus said:

You're not thinking about anything I've ****ing said. God is attribution of the objective reality. It is NOT deity. God is a both meaningless and entirely meaningful.

You're talking about the same bloody thing I am yet you're so short sighted to think I am disagreeing

Once you apply the word "God" to it, then you get offended and start attacking.

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Prove it

Offended??? You are the one abusing the rating system and starring out abuse.

Abuse of the "Funny" Rating

ChristineM said:

Prove it

Offended??? You are the one abusing the rating system and starring out abuse.

Abuse of the "Funny" Rating

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Your posts ARE making me genuinely laugh, so it's hardly an "abuse" of the funny reaction.

Prove to me, that you aren't also talking about the universe as science currently understands it?

Khudayar said:

Hi. I wanted to post this in Shia Islamic forum but I don't understand why I don't have this privilidge.
Anyhow, here's the Biskit Guy of Islamic Pulse discussing if God can be described.
I hope you all like it.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1801463079937930

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I liked it but found it comical, what I found comical is the narration, it sounds like a politician.

Epic Beard Man said:

True, but no atheist here with certainty can say God does not exist, THAT much is true and the same can be applied for those that believe in God, including myself. For that matter, we are in a stalemate and I would like to say death is the only way we will get our answer but even then, that is uncertain.

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It would be nice if theists defined their terms well enough that the question even makes sense. What does the term "God' even mean? I know of multiple *different* criteria that people use (creator of the universe, giver or morality, first cause, necessarily existing being, etc) with no evidence that these different notions point to anything, let alone to the same thing.

Pick your favorite definition. THEN ask the question of whether a being defined by that definition exists. And then ask how we could ever know. And if we can't, then the whole exercise seems pointless.

Polymath257 said:

It would be nice if theists defined their terms well enough that the question even makes sense. What does the term "God' even mean? I know of multiple *different* criteria that people use (creator of the universe, giver or morality, first cause, necessarily existing being, etc) with no evidence that these different notions point to anything, let alone to the same thing.

Pick your favorite definition. THEN ask the question of whether a being defined by that definition exists. And then ask how we could ever know. And if we can't, then the whole exercise seems pointless.

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I posed no question, and I often think atheists try to play philosophical ignorance on what God is or who people refer to as God. To help you out if you must need a definition, God is:

1) Creator of the universe

2) Sovereign, autonomous,

3) Established laws independent of his control although he assumes control at any moment.

@Polymath257 it is of my opinion that I don't care if you don't believe in God or if you think God is a fairytale. god is my personal belief and I'm in no obligation to prove to you exist no more than I'm obligated to prove to you I'm not typing this comment butt naked. You either think I'm butt naked typing to you at this moment or not, but I'm in no obligation to prove to you I'm naked right now (which I'm not but although you may disagree and think I am).

Epic Beard Man said:

I posed no question, and I often think atheists try to play philosophical ignorance on what God is or who people refer to as God. To help you out if you must need a definition, God is:

1) Creator of the universe

2) Sovereign, autonomous,

3) Established laws independent of his control although he assumes control at any moment.

@Polymath257 it is of my opinion that I don't care if you don't believe in God or if you think God is a fairytale. god is my personal belief and I'm in no obligation to prove to you exist no more than I'm obligated to prove to you I'm not typing this comment butt naked. You either think I'm butt naked typing to you at this moment or not, but I'm in no obligation to prove to you I'm naked right now (which I'm not but although you may disagree and think I am).

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You gave three different definitions, not one. Even if there is a being that satisfies one of these, there is no reason to think it would satisfy the others.

if the question of belief is merely personal, then you aren't claiming knowledge, but opinion. And, that is something that is fine with me.

But if the question is asked why God cannot be seen, then one reasonable possibility is that God does not exist. And, it is a relevant question how a completely unseen existence differs from non-existence.

To prove non-existence, the subject has to be well enough defined. So, for example, in 1) above, would you accept a creation of the universe by committee? Would that make God a committee (which might fit the other definitions also)? Or, could the creator have created by mistake? Would that still work for your definition? Or, perhaps that 'creator' isn't an intelligent being, but rather some sort of simple physical process. Would that then be God according to you?

I suspect these other possibilities are NOT what you define to be God. But that means your definition above is at best incomplete. And an incomplete definition won't be able to prove existence or non-existence.

Polymath257 said:

You gave three different definitions, not one. Even if there is a being that satisfies one of these, there is no reason to think it would satisfy the others.

if the question of belief is merely personal, then you aren't claiming knowledge, but opinion. And, that is something that is fine with me.

But if the question is asked why God cannot be seen, then one reasonable possibility is that God does not exist. And, it is a relevant question how a completely unseen existence differs from non-existence.

To prove non-existence, the subject has to be well enough defined. So, for example, in 1) above, would you accept a creation of the universe by committee? Would that make God a committee (which might fit the other definitions also)? Or, could the creator have created by mistake? Would that still work for your definition? Or, perhaps that 'creator' isn't an intelligent being, but rather some sort of simple physical process. Would that then be God according to you?

I suspect these other possibilities are NOT what you define to be God. But that means your definition above is at best incomplete. And an incomplete definition won't be able to prove existence or non-existence.

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I gave descriptions and I defined God based on those descriptions. If I had said God is supreme you’d ask “what is supreme?” What I can say of God which I believe ultimately is ineffable is that God is the ruler of this universe. What entails that is consequential of my experience and language.

Khudayar said:

Please note that this video was made by a shia Muslim. And it is the view of shia Muslims only.

Unfortunately other Islamic sects have different understanding. For instance wahhabis (who form majority in Saudi Arabia and UAE) believe God exists in physical form and He literally sits on a throne in heavens.

While sunnis believe that God can not be seen, they sadly believe God can literally be seen in Paradise on "Fridays" by certain people as a reward.

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Is it possible to come up with one evidence that says the Sunnis, not Wahhabis, are believe that God is material things?

You want to link the Sunni doctrine to a man suspected of being believed to be a militant and a terrorist like Wahhabi

Because he opposes your interests and your thoughts and your doctrine

Not all of you, this is considered a weak style and has no evidence



The Qur'an says that God sits on the throne
Humans are souls who inhabit the body of a group of perishable substances with time and doomed to death
But God is not materialistic
God is the Almighty who created the matter
God nothing like him, and this is in the Qur'an
I do not compare the matter to it because God is the one who created the matter

We believe that the whole universe is just matter
There are things before the matter

God said
O man! What deluded you concerning your Lord, the Most Generous?
For men are arrogant and arrogant
Man was not mentioned in the universe and did not exist
In the time span of his past few Adam was created to be a tool of worshiping God and resisting lusts and desires


MANKIND were given only little knowledge and a few powers

The doors of great suns will open to the truth If you have the audacity to enter

Jesus is made of air.

MonkeyFire said:

Jesus is made of air.

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Jesus is a creature of clay
The Qur'an mentioned the creation of Jesus and said that it is identical to the creation of Adam

this verse about jesus
And she who guarded her virginity. We breathed into her of Our spirit, and made her and her son a sign to the world.

this verse about adam
When I have formed him, and breathed into him of My spirit, fall down prostrating before him."

But God Almighty honored JESUS with many elements and I mean miracles
When he was doing the resurrection of the dead he was saying
In the name of the greatest God to live, he lived
Returning to life

That is, JESUS uses the power of God to perform the dignities

JESUS had knowledge of God's greatest name

This is proof that JESUS is not god because the God is in Himself and does not need to be used by anyone

you can also return to read about Nontrinitarianism