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What do you want to know about Islam

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Binyad Q said:
Ok, let me make myself clear. I believe everything about Islam. In order to understand Islam, you need to study it. Don't just study about the verses and books that talk about death and killing. Please go and study Islam as a whole.
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Some people here have done just that. For example, I don't claim to in any way be an Islamic scholar with in depth knowledge, but I've read a sympathetic biography of Muhammad, read parts of the Quran, read a book of Hadith etc.

That has led me to the conclusion that people see Islam through the lens of their own mind which results in many different views about what Islam really is and what it teaches.

My personal lens informs me that most Muslims just want to be left alone in peace to practice Islam as they interpret it but that there are also fanatics who seek to impose their view on everyone through hatred and violence.

I personally focus on the positive messages in the Quran such as “You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56) and “God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8) and I find this list attractive Names of God in Islam - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And from 8:61 as a non-Muslim I say to you "Peace be unto you".

 
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Binyad Q

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LuisDantas said:
How will you feel if I say (and that is indeed the truth) that once I learned how central theism is for Islaam it sealed the deal far as I am concerned?

Any doctrine that simply expects people to hold a belief in a God and does not know how to deal witht he simple fact that not everyone can have such a belief is not for me - and almost certainly isn't accurate either.
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I don't expect everyone on the face of this earth to become Muslim that easily. I just want to help the few people I am able to right now
 
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Binyad Q said:
I just want to say that all the answers I give are based on my knowledge of being a Muslim my whole life. If my answers have not satisfied you, please look up articles and videos online to learn more. I am not a scholar or anything like that. I just want to educate people on this forum. You have the choice to believe or not.
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I get your enthusiasm. But please recognize that Islam has been a subject of discussion here for quite a while and there is a DIR section dedicated to Islam. So people approach you from their own knowledge and from what they've learned here and elsewhere.

So what many are asking in one way or the other is how you personally respond to long-standing points of debate.
 
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Unveiled Artist said:
I actually don't know what a god is. I know about him, to an extent. I don't know the Islam view. Jews don't describe him.

What do you mean god is one or god is god?
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Ok, The Islam View on God:
He is not comparable to anything. He is the Creator of everything. He is the One you should worship.
 
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Binyad Q

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sun rise said:
I get your enthusiasm. But please recognize that Islam has been a subject of discussion here for quite a while and there is a DIR section dedicated to Islam. So people approach you from their own knowledge and from what they've learned here and elsewhere.

So what many are asking in one way or the other is how you personally respond to long-standing points of debate.
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That is true. I really like your point. Most of the time, people don't get the Message of Islam at all. They think it's all killing and sacrifices. This is not true. People need to study Islam more(in context)
 
WH.Khos

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Binyad Q said:
I don't go by what the ulama say, I go by what is in the Qur'an and Sunnah
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yes i'm muslim
and i will ask you

Who are you,.?

are you a ulama'?
do you memorize the Quran?
How many hadiths have you memorized?
What interpretation books have you read and studied?
Al Jalalain, Ibn Kathir, Al-Maraghi, al-Kasyaf, al-Mizan. which one have you read?
What hadith books have you read and studied?
Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Al-Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Sunan at-Tirmiziy, Sunan an-Nasaiy, which one tells me.

Your good intentions are good to explain Islam to many people,
but befor explain Islam to others,
it is better to learn more about Islam first
do you know "explanation of inconsequential people who little knowledge that is what makes Islam wrong by many people in the world"
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

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Binyad Q said:
I don't expect everyone on the face of this earth to become Muslim that easily. I just want to help the few people I am able to right now
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Of that I have no doubt.

Then again, I am almost as certain that many people who would kill me outright if given the chance can say much the same thing.

The significant question in my opinion is: how prepared are you and other Muslims to deal with the reality that not everyone will fit Muslim expectations?
 
LuisDantas

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Binyad Q said:
Apostasy is different from not believing. Apostasy is when you were Muslim and you left. I just want to tell you to study Islam as a whole, not just death and killing
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Sorry, but I don't think that this solves or clarifies much. Particularly since there is a popular article of faith that literally everyone is born Muslim. Or am I mistaken about that?
 
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A Vestigial Mote said:
And allow me make myself clear also. There are certain things that would halt my even bothering to look more in-depth at a doctrine or belief system. The proclamation/idea that people who leave the belief-system be killed is one of those. It is a deal breaker for me.

Such a thing being condoned/mandated by a belief system immediately leads me to consider that belief system is of an immature and undeveloped nature, both spiritually and humanistically. It would be like meeting someone, starting to get to know them, and then halfway into the conversation, with all sincerity, they say "Oh, and I go out and murder people on Saturday mornings." What would you do in such a situation? Probably call the police, try and make sure you never crossed paths again, and easily write the person off as psychotic. At least... that's what I would do. And my deeming further investigation of Islam as a mostly unnecessary endeavor for me is done for the same sort of reason.
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Regarding apostates, The Prophet(Saw) told us to execute them. Since He is a Prophet, this mean that the command to kill apostates is from God. We must follow God, no matter what we think is ethical( western ideology)
 
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Unveiled Artist said:
I can see that as unfortunate culturally, but spiritually wouldn't god be the judge and actor of punishment and not the Muslim?

I mean, nowadays (I stress nowadays) when one goes against the Catholic Church (say a priest did something or a person married against church laws) they can be excommunicated: they can no longer be apart of the church more take the sacraments. They cut themselves off from god.

But the church doesn't kill people just disowns them.

By what means does a Muslim warrant death by another Muslim rather than by god?
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The killing of apostates is a command from God, sent to making through Prophet Muhammad(Saw)
 
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Binyad Q

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sayak83 said:
No. Suppressing a person's freedom of conscience and murdering him for merely following through his convictions about God is universally, objectively and definitively immoral and unethical. A religion that says that this should be done and a God who ordains such are as evil as those ancient religions who killed humans as a sacrifice to propitiate their demonic Gods. This too is human sacrifice to please a God. Thus, it logically follows that Islamic God is a demon. If Islam teaches this, it should be banned in all civilized countries just as cults that ordain human sacrifice etc. are banned.
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Ok, listen to this. God created you. Whatever He says, Humans have to follow. It doesn't matter what you think. When you don't know about Islam , you can't understand the answers I'm giving. You need to study it more.
 
Infinitum

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Any god who ever allows killing another human being is no god of mine. Ever.

It all sounds so simple until you realise one day someone will want to kill you (or exile you or any number of hideous things people do to each other). Because you don't believe like they do. Because you used to believe but then learned something that changed that belief. Because they want to control you and secretly fear you. And they will do it and smile at you, and say you will thank them -- that they're doing the right thing, and that you will be cleansed or whatever, or that you need to attone for a crime.

If that crime is to be honest, to do what your conscience tells you to, then what sort of god is that? Anything else a religion teaches has no real merit if at the core it's harming the people it claims to protect. That's a problem with more than just Islam, but Islam's stance on apostasy is just... wrong. There's no real empathy or morality there.

(Mandatory shoutout to the Muslims out there who do have empathy even towards ex-Muslims. I know you're out there!)
 
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Binyad Q

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I want to tell everyone on this forum something. This is not to scare you, but to educate you and make you realize the truth. Out of every 1000 children of Adam(so that means all humans), 999 will be put in Hell. That means 99.9%. However, this is with gog and magog included. 2/3 of the people that will make it to Heaven are of those during or after Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
 
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Binyad Q said:
I want to tell everyone on this forum something. This is not to scare you, but to educate you and make you realize the truth. Out of every 1000 children of Adam(so that means all humans), 999 will be put in Hell. That means 99.9%. However, this is with gog and magog included. 2/3 of the people that will make it to Heaven are of those during or after Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
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Your version of god appears to be very evil. Don't you ever wonder if he is real? What reasonable and reliable test do you have to see if your god is real?
 
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Infinitum said:
Any god who ever allows killing another human being is no god of mine. Ever.

It all sounds so simple until you realise one day someone will want to kill you (or exile you or any number of hideous things people do to each other). Because you don't believe like they do. Because you used to believe but then learned something that changed that belief. Because they want to control you and secretly fear you. And they will do it and smile at you, and say you will thank them -- that they're doing the right thing, and that you will be cleansed or whatever, or that you need to attone for a crime.

If that crime is to be honest, to do what your conscience tells you to, then what sort of god is that? Anything else a religion teaches has no real merit if at the core it's harming the people it claims to protect. That's a problem with more than just Islam, but Islam's stance on apostasy is just... wrong. There's no real empathy or morality there.

(Mandatory shoutout to the Muslims out there who do have empathy even towards ex-Muslims. I know you're out there!)
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Listen, I would never want to kill people for no reason. In Islam, if you kill one person, it's like you killed all of humanity. If you save a person, it's like you saved all of humanity. Islam is against violence. Please study Islam as a whole, not in parts.
 
LuisDantas

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Binyad Q said:
Regarding apostates, The Prophet(Saw) told us to execute them. Since He is a Prophet, this mean that the command to kill apostates is from God. We must follow God, no matter what we think is ethical( western ideology)
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I appreciate the honesty, although I can't in good faith approve of the directive. Not even allowing that it is about a different culture and belief system than mine.
 
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