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Why Can't I See God?

ameyAtmA

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Premium Member
Hi. I wanted to post this in Shia Islamic forum but I don't understand why I don't have this privilidge.
Anyhow, here's the Biskit Guy of Islamic Pulse discussing if God can be described.
I hope you all like it.


FYI: The best description of the Supreme is the Bramhan' of Hinduism, which is - Formless , and the substratum common to ALL Hindu thought.
Muslims are so quick to jump on the Vishwaroop Darshan (Thousand-N-Universal-representation of Bramhan') and GaNesh, Lakshmi, DurgA.. to "bite" Hinduism.

The rest of the Abrahamics want to shove the genius of VedAnta and Bramhan' under the carpet because they do not want to accept that it is speaking of genuine truth, that VedAnta is genius.

Most VedAntic and related arguments on all "God exists" threads are conveniently ignored. The heated discussion goes around the Abrahamic God.

No wonder my poll is silent - people are scared to vote??
An Eternal Infinite Database of ALL-Potential Exists: Agreed?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Hi. I wanted to post this in Shia Islamic forum but I don't understand why I don't have this privilidge.
Anyhow, here's the Biskit Guy of Islamic Pulse discussing if God can be described.
I hope you all like it.


god is a physical phenomena. it may not have a form because it is formless being dynamic, that doesn't mean it isn't physical. it is definitely an action. the idea of a creator comes from the verb create; which is a verb noun.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I get your point, but human emotion is a part of us.
So is God.

Even if one doesn't experience it himself, one can still see it displayed by others.
Correct. But in order to recognize it for what it is, one has to have experienced it themselves at some point. Otherwise, it's a "concept" to them as a placeholder until the real thing comes along and opens their understanding to what it is exactly others have been talking about all along. This is as true for love, as it is for God.

Whether or not it's "real" is beside the point, although some might argue that love is another form of insanity. The feeling may be real, but it could also be seen as a concoction of human imagination.
The experience is real. What we call it is simply a metaphor for something which is beyond concretizing into an object. Like "love", God is something understood by the whole person, not just conceptualizations. One could call it a "fantasy", but not if you yourself had ever experienced it. "More real than real", is a typical description. Sort of like love, "You'll know it when it hits you".
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Hi. I wanted to post this in Shia Islamic forum but I don't understand why I don't have this privilidge.
Anyhow, here's the Biskit Guy of Islamic Pulse discussing if God can be described.
I hope you all like it.

So, he goes forward with the idea that there are no attributes that make sense to apply to god, and that to apply ANY attributes is to miss the target - which necessarily means, there are no attributes by which we can discern or judge the existence of such a being. And yet we are expected to believe? Why? Why would such a being - who knows that no acceptable attribution of any characteristic for itself can ever been found - expect humans with a limited perception to come to any conclusion whatsoever about something they can discern absolutely no information about? Based on absolutely no information, and explicitly told that no information is forthcoming, and no information we can actually digest is sufficient to represent such a being... what the hell is the point?

In the end, you could say the same thing about "absolute nothing." It has no attributes, and nothing can be attributed to it to sufficiently describe it. As soon as you have attributed anything to it, it is no longer "nothing," is it? Even to call it devoid of something is an attribute... or calling it a "void"... a "void" is something, not nothing. Therefore I propose that God and absolute nothing are actually the same thing, and I will cite this video as evidence.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Hi. I wanted to post this in Shia Islamic forum but I don't understand why I don't have this privilidge.
Anyhow, here's the Biskit Guy of Islamic Pulse discussing if God can be described.
I hope you all like it.


Respectfully, I'd reply in three ways:

1. God is hidden from man, purposefully, in large part due to human sin
2. Islam teaches per the Noble Qu'ran that man is too impure to see God
3. Christianity offers an intimate, personal relationship with God
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
1. God is hidden from man, purposefully, in large part due to human sin
I avoid the word "sin". I rather call it "due to his desires". Sin implies "good and evil", and it's what we have been instructed not "to eat from". So I keep it out of my vocabulary.

2. Islam teaches per the Noble Qu'ran that man is too impure to see God
As above I rather say "Who are you? who is `man`?". Man is made in God's image. Identifying with body/sin/impure is IMO wrong and not smart. Desires make us unaware.

3. Christianity offers an intimate, personal relationship with God
I like that picture better. That part I learned from Hinduism long time ago. Glad to see Christianity like it also.
 
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Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Respectfully, I'd reply in three ways:

1. God is hidden from man, purposefully, in large part due to human sin
2. Islam teaches per the Noble Qu'ran that man is too impure to see God
3. Christianity offers an intimate, personal relationship with God
You forgot to mention which religion teaches point number 1 above. Is God hiding himself purposefully from us, because we stink bad or something? Or is it that we hide ourselves from God because we think we stink bad or something?
 

Niblo

Active Member
Premium Member
,...........

While sunnis believe that God can not be seen, they sadly believe God can literally be seen in Paradise on "Fridays" by certain people as a reward.

Please can you quote your source. Thank you (I'm a Sunni...Have never heard of this).
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I read Dr. Seuss' cat in the hat can I say for certain the character doesn't exist I don't know. It is better to say you don't know rather to proclaim an answer in the affirmative or denial especially if such is done with certainty.
That may be true for some people regarding the existence of God.

It is definitely not true for everyone. Or for that matter, for all conceptions of God.

There is such a thing as giving the matter of God's existence too much attention or too much weight.
 

Frater Sisyphus

Contradiction, irrationality and disorder
Guns are firing in relation. For thousands of years various religions have been shooting "god exists" without any evidence whatsoever.

In history, when queried, the questioner was often executed, imprisoned or exiled.

In more recent years such punishment for questioning the existence of god is becoming less harsh. Although some religious regimes still offer the historical answer. In more enlightened countries questions are now answered with apologetics such as 'hes too big to see', 'he lives an a different realm', 'he doesn't want to be seen', 'you simply are not looking hard enough'

In short there is no evidence for a gods existence, there never has been and now the key word is evidence (or lack of it), not imagination.

You're not thinking about the question I asked.

Hypothetically, what evidence would scientifically count for an objectively existing God? (not deity here)
 

Frater Sisyphus

Contradiction, irrationality and disorder
Assuming God absolutely objectively exists (and under the same premise that no one can see God), then it stands to reason that no one can absolutely objectively know of God's existence. And yet, we have humans going around claiming to know all about God and all the great mysteries of existence - all because they read a book written by other humans who can't possibly know either.

You don't see what's wrong with this picture?

Now you see my point :)
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Hi. I wanted to post this in Shia Islamic forum but I don't understand why I don't have this privilidge.
Anyhow, here's the Biskit Guy of Islamic Pulse discussing if God can be described.
I hope you all like it.


From a Hindu and Sikh, and probably Jain, pov we see God all the time. All you have to do is look at anything or anyone, and there you'll see God. A Sikh holy man called Harbhajan Singh Yogi said "If you can't see God in all, you can't see God at all". It's difficult to remember, but that's what tests our hearts.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You're not thinking about the question I asked.

Hypothetically, what evidence would scientifically count for an objectively existing God? (not deity here)

Actually i countered you insult to atheists with some hard facts

And answered your bolded question. Because the answer was not the answer you wanted does not mean i did not answer. I will repeat my answer just in case you genuinely didn't understand.

In short there is no evidence for a gods existence, there never has been and now the key word is evidence (or lack of it), not imagination
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
"Why Can't I See God?"

Have you considered the obvious answer? You can't see God because he is a man-made creation.

Is it a man made creation?
We still don't have an objective definition of God!
So "not much creation there", at best "imagination" I would say

Hinduism says about God "bigger than the biggest, smaller than the smallest"
This also implies "We can't see God"

So obvious God can't be seen with our physical eyes
So the claim "God exists" or "God exists not" is not a smart claim
 
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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
That may be true for some people regarding the existence of God.

It is definitely not true for everyone. Or for that matter, for all conceptions of God.

There is such a thing as giving the matter of God's existence too much attention or too much weight.

True, but no atheist here with certainty can say God does not exist, THAT much is true and the same can be applied for those that believe in God, including myself. For that matter, we are in a stalemate and I would like to say death is the only way we will get our answer but even then, that is uncertain.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
True, but no atheist here with certainty can say God does not exist, THAT much is true and the same can be applied for those that believe in God including myself. For that matter we are in a stalemate and IU would like to say death is when we may get our answer but even then, that is uncertain.
That is the classic Russell's Teapot situation.

Which is to say, that is simply not significant, despite being absolutely true.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I once heard on a Cheech and Chong record that if you play Black Sabbath at 78 rpm, you'll see God.
 

Frater Sisyphus

Contradiction, irrationality and disorder
Actually i countered you insult to atheists with some hard facts

And answered your bolded question. Because the answer was not the answer you wanted does not mean i did not answer. I will repeat my answer just in case you genuinely didn't understand.

No, the truth is that we don't know what scientifically would constitute as evidence and what wouldn't. The concept of reality itself is still an enigma, is is the concept of God a conflated idea constituting several different concepts, beliefs and conclusions about what the universe itself really IS.

Again, I don't conflate "God" with "deity".

God is reality, the universe, higher consciousness itself. It is the reality you are experiencing right now, not something separate from it.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
True, but no atheist here with certainty can say God does not exist, THAT much is true and the same can be applied for those that believe in God including myself. For that matter we are in a stalemate and IU would like to say death is when we may get our answer but even then, that is uncertain.
This about sums it up, really. I sort of imagine a mic being dropped on-stage as someone in the back unplugs all the servers. :)
 
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