Brennan: "nothing short of treasonous"

Estro Felino · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
Nice stereotype that doesn't work if you actually read or listen to the news.

Well...Hungary has anti-Soros laws, for example

metis said:
So, you hate Pope Francis, who's a man of peace, but you support Vladimir Putin who's a man of war and murder. "Interesting" choices.

Well...Bergoglio is a globalist traitor, and a Freemason too.
A traitor to Italy and Europe.

Putin is against Soros, against globalism, against terrorism.
That's why Italy loves Vladimir

Kangaroo Feathers · Jul 17, 2018

*eyeroll*

metis · Jul 17, 2018

Estro Felino said:
Well...Hungary has anti-Soros laws, for example

Source?

Estro Felino said:
Well...Bergoglio is a globalist traitor, and a Freemason too.
A traitor to Italy and Europe.

I'll stick with my original question, and I can guarantee you that you cannot source the above unless you're using right-wing sites, which wouldn't surprise me one iota.

Estro Felino said:
Putin is against Soros, against globalism, against terrorism.
That's why Italy loves Vladimir

Are you sure you're not confusing Putin with maybe his long dead great-grandmother?

BTW, as I mentioned before, "Italy" does not love Vladimir, and my wife who's from there certainly would strongly disagree with you. She has strong morals, thus liking the Pope and strongly disliking Putin.

Stanyon · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
Why in the world would Mueller's team be dumb enough to do that? Do you honestly believe the Russians under Putin would admit to any wrongdoing? Haven't you noticed what tends to happen to those who "disappoint" Putin?

If the Mueller team has enough evidence to issue indictments then there should be no problem proving Russian guilt, quite honestly it looks like Putin is calling Muellers bluff.
Overall, if it ever does happen it should be televised uncensored much like cspan so misrepresentation by U.S. and Russian media could be minimized but that is just me.

Stevicus · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
I'm not playing fast & loose with anything but just mentioning what so many have clearly seen and heard for themselves. The only serious question is why is Trump doing this, and one of my hypotheses is that Putin has something(s) on Trump and Trump knows it.

Or it could be that it's a good move for US foreign policy and US interests. To me, I think it's the dumbest thing in the world to alienate Russia at this juncture.

Stevicus · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
Is that why so many Republicans have soundly denounced what he said and why many European leaders are shocked and dismayed?

It's entirely possible they could have been paid off to act that way. How is anyone to know otherwise?

There's no logical reason for their reaction, and none of what they've ever said or done regarding Russia has ever made any sense whatsoever.

Estro Felino · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
Source?

I'll stick with my original question, and I can guarantee you that you cannot source the above unless you're using right-wing sites, which wouldn't surprise me one iota.

Are you sure you're not confusing Putin with maybe his long dead great-grandmother?

BTW, as I mentioned before, "Italy" does not love Vladimir, and my wife who's from there certainly would strongly disagree with you. She has strong morals, thus liking the Pope and strongly disliking Putin.

Hungary
Hungary passes anti-Soros laws

Listen, metis

you should read some Italian newspaper every now and then, to understand that Bergoglio has become a hated figure here, because he insulted our populist Government...justifying immigration.Bergoglio is not a Pope but a Freemason
Putin is really loved here Why Italians like Putin

metis · Jul 17, 2018

Stanyon said:
If the Mueller team has enough evidence to issue indictments then there should be no problem proving Russian guilt, quite honestly it looks like Putin is calling Muellers bluff.

Quite honestly, you're falling for Putin's bluff (of sorts) as there is not one thing to gain with meeting with those who would automatically deny any complicity as Putin already has. It's obvious that Mueller feels he has more then enough evidence on the Russian 12, so going through the charades of "discussions" about them is ludicrous.

metis · Jul 17, 2018

Estro Felino said:
Hungary
Hungary passes anti-Soros laws

Listen, metis
you should read some Italian newspaper every now and then, to understand that Bergoglio has become a hated figure here, because he insulted our populist Government...justifying immigration.Bergoglio is not a Pope but a Freemason
Putin is really loved here Why Italians like Putin

You first use the first website that shows a picture of Pope Francis with a single-finger salute in the foreground, and then a second site named after Sputnik, and you actually think I'm ignorant enough to swallow their garbage as you have? Maybe try some serious websites, but I really don't think you care for anything that's objective or moral, especially since you endorse Putin and his lies, his warring, and his murder versus a pope that teaches peace and basic morality.

metis · Jul 17, 2018

Stevicus said:
It's entirely possible they could have been paid off to act that way.

What???

Stevicus said:
There's no logical reason for their reaction, and none of what they've ever said or done regarding Russia has ever made any sense whatsoever.

Mueller has issued over 100 charges on around 25 people thus far, five have already taken plea deals to turn state's witness, and then you say there's nothing? You've got to be kidding. Please tell me you're kidding, OK?

metis · Jul 17, 2018

Stevicus said:
To me, I think it's the dumbest thing in the world to alienate Russia at this juncture.

If only Russia had the same concern after meddling in our election process as well as several other countries, plus invading Georgia, the Crimea, and the eastern Ukraine. It seems the Trump caters to Putin's demands but the contrary certainly isn't true. Even a strong supporter of Trump like Gingrich blasted Trump yesterday.

Estro Felino · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
You first use the first website that shows a picture of Pope Francis with a single-finger salute in the foreground, and then a second site named after Sputnik, and you actually think I'm ignorant enough to swallow their garbage as you have? Maybe try some serious websites, but I really don't think you care for anything that's objective or moral, especially since you endorse Putin and his lies, his warring, and his murder versus a pope that teaches peace and basic morality.

I am loyal to the secular Italian Republic...not to a Vatican full of Freemasons...probably supported by Soros.
Bergoglio wants Europe to be invaded by migrants.
Putin volunteered to help us solve the migratory crisis.

Stanyon · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
Quite honestly, you're falling for Putin's bluff (of sorts) as there is not one thing to gain with meeting with those who would automatically deny any complicity as Putin already has. It's obvious that Mueller feels he has more then enough evidence on the Russian 12, so going through the charades of "discussions" about them is ludicrous.

By using the word "discussions" it seems you are attempting to water down what Putin actually said, interrogation is a much different word than discussion- and he is inviting Mueller and members of his team to be in on it:

"According to a translation of Putin's remarks, the Russian leader specified that "we would interrogate" and "hold the questioning of these individuals who he believes are privy to some crimes" if Mueller made such a request."
source:
:Putin asked special counsel to 'come and work' with Russia, Trump says

metis · Jul 17, 2018

Stanyon said:
By using the word "discussions" it seems you are attempting to water down what Putin actually said, interrogation is a much different word than discussion- and he is inviting Mueller and members of his team to be in on it:...

You still keep missing the point. It's like if I say to you "Why don't you go to visit Putin and ask him for dirt on the their own espionage operations?".

Try it and see how far you'll get.

Underhill · Jul 17, 2018

Stevicus said:
I saw the same press conference, but I didn't make the same observations. It just looked like a regular press conference for a summit.

"Treasonous" seems a bit over the top, and besides, "treason" is in the eye of the beholder.

David Gergen was a Reaganite stooge, so his opinion is hardly worth anything. A former CIA director has even less credibility on such matters. McCarthy accused the Democrats of treason for "losing" China and Eastern Europe (as if they ever belonged to the US in the first place). The hippies were accused of treason for their anti-war positions.

If we're going to play fast and loose with the word "treason," then we can open up an even bigger can of worms.

I don't know that I would go as far as treason, but it is certainly pretty disgusting to watch the president tell the world that he believes Putin while trying to discredit our intelligence agencies.

Stanyon · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
You still keep missing the point. It's like if I say to you "Why don't you go to visit Putin and ask him for dirt on the their own espionage operations?".
Try it and see how far you'll get.

So your point is, why bother? I guess that is where we differ and why we will not be able to have any meaningful discussion.

fantome profane · Jul 17, 2018

Stanyon said:
By using the word "discussions" it seems you are attempting to water down what Putin actually said, interrogation is a much different word than discussion- and he is inviting Mueller and members of his team to be in on it:

"According to a translation of Putin's remarks, the Russian leader specified that "we would interrogate" and "hold the questioning of these individuals who he believes are privy to some crimes" if Mueller made such a request."
source:
:Putin asked special counsel to 'come and work' with Russia, Trump says

You don’t let the crime boss participate in the investigation of his own goons. This is not a serious suggestion.

Kangaroo Feathers · Jul 17, 2018

Estro Felino said:
As for the Italian people, what lets you think we have changed since the 20s?

Yeeah. Italy and Russia were bffs from the 20s to now. Nothing noteworthy happened between then and now.

Kangaroo Feathers · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
If only Russia had the same concern after meddling in our election process as well as several other countries, plus invading Georgia, the Crimea, and the eastern Ukraine. It seems the Trump caters to Putin's demands but the contrary certainly isn't true. Even a strong supporter of Trump like Gingrich blasted Trump yesterday.

Don't forget shooting down civilian airliners on gazetted flightpaths, packed with Australian doctors.

YmirGF · Jul 17, 2018

metis said:
John Brennan, the CIA director under President Obama, didn’t mince words in describing Monday’s press conference with President Donald Trump and Russian leader Vladimir Putin: Trump’s performance was “nothing short of treasonous.”:
"Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???"

During the press conference, Trump said he trusted Putin over the American intelligence community and his own appointees, he attacked the investigation from special counsel Robert Mueller that recently led to the indictments of 12 Russian intelligence officers for crimes related to the 2016 election, and he said he hoped to strengthen relations with Russia — which, according to Trump, had never been worse.

David Gergen, adviser to four presidents, three of them Republican. said that he has never seen anything like what Trump has done with any previous president, trashing our own agencies while fully believing in Putin's words and "innocence". He went on to say that this press conference today will likely go down in history as probably being the most harmful presentation by an American president in our long history.

So, what do you think the Republicans in Congress will do next with this? I watched it, and Trump looked like a sock-puppet of Putin.

One does have to keep in mind that the opinion is coming from John Brennan. Does anyone actually still take him seriously?

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