Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
But you could also say the first song "guilt trip" on whites...The fact of the matter is the song is about perceptions of two different realities.
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But you could also say the first song "guilt trip" on whites...The fact of the matter is the song is about perceptions of two different realities.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Like I said you'll never get hip hop...You are looking at the damn video instead of the message this is why (and this is my opinion) whites who have your mentality cannot have a dialogue with people of color and similar with people of color with similar mentality. If you're not prepared to hold the mirror to yourself (regardless whether you did something or not) and cannot open up to the realities of another, you'll never get it. I think this is why personally from my experience with the exception of a few here, many of you aren't prepared to have that dialogue on race because a lot of you aren't prepared to listen to the experiences of another.
Does it make you feel better about yourself and your cause to pretend to know me? Does it bring you comfort to neatly place me in your pockets of assumption?
You and I have minimal interaction on this forum. Are you so quick to judge everyone with such limited knowledge? Do you even know the color of my skin? Is this the feature in which you judge everyone?
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Thanks for sharing, 2 very good video's:
First one I liked because it was so direct [man to man]. Took me a while to get the message though. The white man was so cruel and the black man being knocked out, felt like a white prison guard beating the **** out of the black man. Overcoming my first disgust, suddenly I saw it was exactly this what was done for centuries (and still) there is so much discrimination towards the black humans, so one day that build up anger must come out. So I understand the anger in the texts, that is white man caused karma for centuries. Can't undo it in a few years, esp. not when it still continues.
Second one I liked, because the black guy was not totally knocked out when white guy was blasting all his words.
My father was always demeaning/belittling me as small kid. I build up lots of anger. I could forgive him, but he won't give up. I just ask for respect not for pity. Stop the belittling. That's why I can't stand injustice, discrimination and belittling on religion, race etc.
Many people are brought up from young age with belittling. very difficult bringing up kids without belittling them. Once learned very difficult to undo. And kids do same to their kids.
So I think to put it so direct in this hip hop way is good. It might finally wake up people that this has to stop.
I do understand that white, who never did this themselves, get irritated and frustrated also when white being blamed for something in the past
But is it really in the past. I do not think so. There are still white man discriminating black and v.v.. Let's be honest and real. It is still there and big time. Even black discriminate other "lighter" black for that matter. Christians discriminate Muslims and v.v. The world is full of injustice and discrimination. Now even more prominent and visible by news, so more anger builds up.
It ain't over yet ... at all.
First one I liked because it was so direct [man to man]. Took me a while to get the message though. The white man was so cruel and the black man being knocked out, felt like a white prison guard beating the **** out of the black man. Overcoming my first disgust, suddenly I saw it was exactly this what was done for centuries (and still) there is so much discrimination towards the black humans, so one day that build up anger must come out. So I understand the anger in the texts, that is white man caused karma for centuries. Can't undo it in a few years, esp. not when it still continues.
Second one I liked, because the black guy was not totally knocked out when white guy was blasting all his words.
My father was always demeaning/belittling me as small kid. I build up lots of anger. I could forgive him, but he won't give up. I just ask for respect not for pity. Stop the belittling. That's why I can't stand injustice, discrimination and belittling on religion, race etc.
Many people are brought up from young age with belittling. very difficult bringing up kids without belittling them. Once learned very difficult to undo. And kids do same to their kids.
So I think to put it so direct in this hip hop way is good. It might finally wake up people that this has to stop.
I do understand that white, who never did this themselves, get irritated and frustrated also when white being blamed for something in the past
But is it really in the past. I do not think so. There are still white man discriminating black and v.v.. Let's be honest and real. It is still there and big time. Even black discriminate other "lighter" black for that matter. Christians discriminate Muslims and v.v. The world is full of injustice and discrimination. Now even more prominent and visible by news, so more anger builds up.
It ain't over yet ... at all.
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VioletVortex
Well-Known Member
I liked that it seemed to do a good job of showing both sides of the story. I've seen a lot of reaction videos though and it seems like people misinterpret it and think that the black guy is on the righteous side, and the white guy is a racist scumbag.
The point of the video is that they are both people with prejudices against each other who eventually see past them.
The point of the video is that they are both people with prejudices against each other who eventually see past them.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
No I don't know you, but I'm all the more familiar with the type of rhetoric that you present here. I'm merely talking about the following:
"both are talking past each other in monologue fashion"
That's the whole point of the video that you missed. The idea of the so-called "all lives matter" which is an affront of the black lives matter movement and the idea of not listening to the complaints of the inner city community hence the lyrics "you created a protest for my protest." Nobody is listening because of selective outrage on both sides. This form of hip hop is not new yes but it's a clever way of getting a point across using two opposing views that are popular. The whole point is to get these popular opposing views out, discuss it, recognize some contributing factors on both sides, and come to an understanding that is essentially the flavor of the message. This is why I said you don't get hip hop because the style, syntax, and form of certain lyricists and how they get their message across is indeed clever. So instead of poking away the things that don't matter its best to listen to the actual message.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
This guy gets it.
Just think for a moment that if Islam where to spread without modification or liberalisation of it's Shariah, you would be forbidden to listen to songs like this.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Exactly, the Sharia police in Europe tell and pressure people to not listen to music!
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Not only music. Also not listen to our friend "Geert Wilders"
Not only Sharia police, even T.May didn't want G.Wilders