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Qu'ran says "black faces" is a punishment from Allah

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I suppose you are referring to the execution of the tribe of Banu Qurayza.

The Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza broke a treaty that they wouldn't attack the Muslim army. Once they broke the treaty they were fought back against, overpowered and forced to surrender. They were asked to choose an arbiter to decide their punishment. They DIDN'T choose Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) but chose a Muslim who was a formerly a Jew of an allied tribe (thinking he would show them mercy). Contrary to their expectations the arbiter decided to punish Jews in accordance with their own law as laid out in Deuteronomy 20:10-14.

As for Muhammad (saw) his general amnesty for Meccans after 20 years of persecution and killing should be more than sufficient to show how forgiving he was even when he would have been justified in punishing.
Jews rejected the prophet probably because of his antisemitism, hate, calls to violence, and bigotry towards nonmuslims, I assume.

This hatred, bloodshed, and violent conquest continued long after the Prophets death, and continues to this day.

Arabs ganged up on Jews multiple times in the 20th century with the intention of pushing the Jews into the sea, and many terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians after the Arabs were defeated.

I thank God the Jews were victorious, or the Arabs may have followed Muhammad's example and cut off the heads of the males and enslaved the women.

Many Islamic extremist groups in my lifetime practiced sex-slavery with Christian and non-muslim women and children.


Having read the Qu'ran, i understand why the extremists treat nonmuslims like they are not even human beings.

There are such extremist views , hate, violence, and bigotry promoted in the Qua'ran!

This must be one reason why, like countries such as Lebanon, become so violent when there becomes a Muslim majority.
 

KT Shamim

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
No, I'm referring to the fact that the Jews rejected Muhammed as a prophet because he bore none of the biblical marks of prophethood, so 2,000 were killed and their wives taken by force, their children enslaved.

May I ask why you say the PBUH regarding Muhammed? Does he not have the assurance of the blessings of Allah? We Christians believe that having trusted Jesus for salvation, we are blessed, always.

Thanks.
Reference for that one? Muhammad (saw) had excellent relationships with many Jewish tribes of Medina:

[Qur'an 60:9] "Allah forbids you not, respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you forth from your homes, that you be kind to them and act equitably towards them; surely Allah loves those who are equitable."

I believe we should be able to quote our primary scripture to show our claims. But the salvation you mention ... can you even quote Jesus' god-hood from your scripture? Or Trinity for that matter?
 

KT Shamim

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
Jews rejected the prophet probably because of his antisemitism, hate, calls to violence, and bigotry towards nonmuslims, I assume.
"probably because" "assume"? Why not look into it first? Well, firstly, Muhammad (saw) had very good relationships with Jewish tribes who stuck to the initial treaties.

This hatred, bloodshed, and violent conquest continued long after the Prophets death, and continues to this day.

Arabs ganged up on Jews multiple times in the 20th century with the intention of pushing the Jews into the sea, and many terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians after the Arabs were defeated.
I'm not defending any of that. Don't evaluate Islam on how it is followed 1400 years later.

I thank God the Jews were victorious, or the Arabs may have followed Muhammad's example and cut off the heads of the males and enslaved the women.

Many Islamic extremist groups in my lifetime practiced sex-slavery with Christian and non-muslim women and children.
Is this also stuff you assume / have heard?

Having read the Qu'ran, i understand why the extremists treat nonmuslims like they are not even human beings.
I have been answering you verse-for-verse showing that each verse you quote is very-much qualified and directed towards those who broke treaties or had committed ghastly persecution of Muslims ... is that not having any effect here? You don't offer any criticism to the verses I offered but you continue to restate that the verses promote hatred. Is that reasonable?
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
"probably because" "assume"? Why not look into it first? Well, firstly, Muhammad (saw) had very good relationships with Jewish tribes who stuck to the initial treaties.


I'm not defending any of that. Don't evaluate Islam on how it is followed 1400 years later.


Is this also stuff you assume / have heard?


I have been answering you verse-for-verse showing that each verse you quote is very-much qualified and directed towards those who broke treaties or had committed ghastly persecution of Muslims ... is that not having any effect here? You don't offer any criticism to the verses I offered but you continue to restate that the verses promote hatred. Is that reasonable?
People that fought Muhammad were fighting a just war Imo, therefore, those verses still target people like me.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Reference for that one? Muhammad (saw) had excellent relationships with many Jewish tribes of Medina:

[Qur'an 60:9] "Allah forbids you not, respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you forth from your homes, that you be kind to them and act equitably towards them; surely Allah loves those who are equitable."

I believe we should be able to quote our primary scripture to show our claims. But the salvation you mention ... can you even quote Jesus' god-hood from your scripture? Or Trinity for that matter?

Jesus's Godhood (Philippians 2):

5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Tri-unity of God (1 John 5:7):

For there are three that bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

See below:

Different versions concerning the sentence of Sa‘d b. Mu‘adh[edit]
I) Secondary Sources

- Norman A. STILLMAN, in his book “The Jews of Arab Lands: A History and Source Book”, page 141 said :

When Sa‘d reached the Apostle of Allah-may Allah bless him and grant him peace-the Apostle said, “Rise to greet your leader.” The emigrants of Quraysh said to themselves that the Apostle must be referring to the Helpers. The helpers, on the other hand, thought the Apostle was including everyone, and so they got up and said, “O Abu ‘Amr, the Apostle has appointed you arbiter the fate of your clients so that you may pass judgment upon them.”

“Will you accept as binding, by Allah’s covenant and His Pact, the judgment upon them once I have given it?” They replied that they would. “And will it be binding upon one who is here,” he said turning toward the Apostle, not mentioning him by name out of respect. The Apostle of Allah-may Allah bless him and grant him peace-answered yes. Sa‘d said, “My judgment is that that the men be executed, their property divided, and the women and children made captives. ‘Asim b. ‘Umar b. Qatada told me on the authority of ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Amr b. Sa‘d b. Mu‘adh on the authority of Alqama b. Waqqas al-Laythi that the Apostle said to Sa‘d, “You have judged them according to the verdict of Allah above the seventh heaven."

- Martin LINGS (British converted to Islam), in his book "MUHAMMAD: his life based on the earliest sources", page 231 and 232 said :

Sa‘d was a man of mighty stature, of handsome and majestic appearance, and when he came to the camp the Prophet said "Rise in honour of your liege lord," and they rose to greet him saying: "Father of ‘Amr, the Messenger of God hath appointed thee to judge the case of thy confederates." He said: "Do ye then swear by God and make by Him your covenant that my judgement shall be the verdict upon them?" "We do," they answered. "And is it binding upon him who is here?" he added, with a glance in the direction of the Prophet, but not mentioning him out of reverence. "It is," said the Prophet. "Then I judge," said Sa‘d, "that the men shall be slain, the property divided, and the women and children made captive."1 The Prophet said to him: "Thou hast judged with the judgement of God from above the seven heavens."

Martin LINGS added the footnote 1 at the bottom of the page 232

1 Sa‘d's judgment was no doubt directed mainly against their treachery; but in fact it coincided exactly with Jewish law as regards the treatment of a besieged city, even if it were innocent of treachery: When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20: 12.

- Daniel C. Peterson, in his book “Muhammad, Prophet of God”, page 127, said :

After receiving promises from all the Muslims present that they would indeed abide by his judgment, Sa‘d decreed the execution of the men of Banu Qurayza, the enslaving of their women and children, and the division of their property among the muslims.5 “You have judged,” said the Prophet, “with the judgment of God from above the seven heavens.”6

Daniel C. Peterson added the footnote 6 at the bottom of the page 127

6. PERHAPS with some apologetic intent, the late English scholar Martin Lings notes, correctly, that Sa'd judgment accords with that of the law of Moses as recorded in Deut. 20:10:14. See Lings, p. 232 n.1.

II) Primary Source (Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah is the oldest and most complete biography of Muhammad)

A. GUILLAUME, in his book “The life of Muhammad: A translation of Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah”, page 463, 464 said:

When Sa‘d reached the apostle and the Muslims the apostle told them to get up to greet their leader. The muhajirs of Quraysh thought that the apostle meant the Ansar. while the latter thought that he meant everyone, so they got up and said ‘O Abu ‘Amr, the apostle has entrusted to you the affair of your allies that you may give judgment concerning them.’ Sa‘d asked, ‘Do you covenant by Allah that you accept the judgment I pronounce on them?’ They said Yes, and he said ‘And is it incumbent on the one who is here?’ (looking) in the direction of the apostle, not mentioning him out of respect, and the apostle answered Yes. Sa‘d said, ‘Then I give judgment that that the men should be killed, their property divided, and the women and children taken as captives.

‘Asim b. ‘Umar b. Qatada told me on the authority of ‘Abdul-Rahman b. ‘Amr b. Sa‘d b. Mu‘adh from Alqama b. Waqqas al-Laythi that the apostle said to Sa‘d, ‘You have given the judgement of Allah above the seven heavens.’
 

KT Shamim

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
Jesus's Godhood (Philippians 2):

5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Clearly indicates that by slavery Jesus became God's ambassador. As do all Prophets. Being an ambassador is effectively being a representative yet still holding own unique identity. Several Prophets claim this. Doesn't indicate Godhood.

Tri-unity of God (1 John 5:7):

For there are three that bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
Three bear record does not equal three who should be worshiped does it? And "Word" refers to Jesus? Interestingly many translations do not include the part you bold-fonted. May you explain this discrepency?

As I said, inferences do not equal categorical statements. You might disagree with Muslims on God's Unity but at least we can proudly say that our belief in God's Unity is precisely stated in several places in the Qur'an. Christian belief in Trinity (the word does not exist in scripture even) is never explicitly claimed but merely an inference (and a wrong one at that). For example,

[Qur'an 112]
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
‘And there is none like unto Him.’

Oh wait there is a clear verse:
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

Different versions concerning the sentence of Sa‘d b. Mu‘adh[edit]
I) Secondary Sources

- Norman A. STILLMAN, in his book “The Jews of Arab Lands: A History and Source Book”, page 141 said :

When Sa‘d reached the Apostle of Allah-may Allah bless him and grant him peace-the Apostle said, “Rise to greet your leader.” The emigrants of Quraysh said to themselves that the Apostle must be referring to the Helpers. The helpers, on the other hand, thought the Apostle was including everyone, and so they got up and said, “O Abu ‘Amr, the Apostle has appointed you arbiter the fate of your clients so that you may pass judgment upon them.”

“Will you accept as binding, by Allah’s covenant and His Pact, the judgment upon them once I have given it?” They replied that they would. “And will it be binding upon one who is here,” he said turning toward the Apostle, not mentioning him by name out of respect. The Apostle of Allah-may Allah bless him and grant him peace-answered yes. Sa‘d said, “My judgment is that that the men be executed, their property divided, and the women and children made captives. ‘Asim b. ‘Umar b. Qatada told me on the authority of ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Amr b. Sa‘d b. Mu‘adh on the authority of Alqama b. Waqqas al-Laythi that the Apostle said to Sa‘d, “You have judged them according to the verdict of Allah above the seventh heaven."

- Martin LINGS (British converted to Islam), in his book "MUHAMMAD: his life based on the earliest sources", page 231 and 232 said :

Sa‘d was a man of mighty stature, of handsome and majestic appearance, and when he came to the camp the Prophet said "Rise in honour of your liege lord," and they rose to greet him saying: "Father of ‘Amr, the Messenger of God hath appointed thee to judge the case of thy confederates." He said: "Do ye then swear by God and make by Him your covenant that my judgement shall be the verdict upon them?" "We do," they answered. "And is it binding upon him who is here?" he added, with a glance in the direction of the Prophet, but not mentioning him out of reverence. "It is," said the Prophet. "Then I judge," said Sa‘d, "that the men shall be slain, the property divided, and the women and children made captive."1 The Prophet said to him: "Thou hast judged with the judgement of God from above the seven heavens."

Martin LINGS added the footnote 1 at the bottom of the page 232

1 Sa‘d's judgment was no doubt directed mainly against their treachery; but in fact it coincided exactly with Jewish law as regards the treatment of a besieged city, even if it were innocent of treachery: When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20: 12.

- Daniel C. Peterson, in his book “Muhammad, Prophet of God”, page 127, said :

After receiving promises from all the Muslims present that they would indeed abide by his judgment, Sa‘d decreed the execution of the men of Banu Qurayza, the enslaving of their women and children, and the division of their property among the muslims.5 “You have judged,” said the Prophet, “with the judgment of God from above the seven heavens.”6

Daniel C. Peterson added the footnote 6 at the bottom of the page 127

6. PERHAPS with some apologetic intent, the late English scholar Martin Lings notes, correctly, that Sa'd judgment accords with that of the law of Moses as recorded in Deut. 20:10:14. See Lings, p. 232 n.1.

II) Primary Source (Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah is the oldest and most complete biography of Muhammad)

A. GUILLAUME, in his book “The life of Muhammad: A translation of Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah”, page 463, 464 said:

When Sa‘d reached the apostle and the Muslims the apostle told them to get up to greet their leader. The muhajirs of Quraysh thought that the apostle meant the Ansar. while the latter thought that he meant everyone, so they got up and said ‘O Abu ‘Amr, the apostle has entrusted to you the affair of your allies that you may give judgment concerning them.’ Sa‘d asked, ‘Do you covenant by Allah that you accept the judgment I pronounce on them?’ They said Yes, and he said ‘And is it incumbent on the one who is here?’ (looking) in the direction of the apostle, not mentioning him out of respect, and the apostle answered Yes. Sa‘d said, ‘Then I give judgment that that the men should be killed, their property divided, and the women and children taken as captives.

‘Asim b. ‘Umar b. Qatada told me on the authority of ‘Abdul-Rahman b. ‘Amr b. Sa‘d b. Mu‘adh from Alqama b. Waqqas al-Laythi that the apostle said to Sa‘d, ‘You have given the judgement of Allah above the seven heavens.’

Thank you. God bless you. All the above decisively supports my claim that Jews appointed an arbiter (not Muhammad (saw)) and the arbiter (Sa'd) judged against the Jews by their own book.
As I had explained if Muhammad (saw) had been appointed arbiter ... well they didn't. Muhammmad (saw) forgave Meccans despite all the atrocities they committed. Something Jesus never got an opportunity to do (i.e. forgive his enemies after overpowering them).
 
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BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Clearly indicates that by slavery Jesus became God's ambassador. As do all Prophets. Being an ambassador is effectively being a representative yet still holding own unique identity. Several Prophets claim this. Doesn't indicate Godhood.


Three bear record does not equal three who should be worshiped does it? And "Word" refers to Jesus? Interestingly many translations do not include the part you bold-fonted. May you explain this discrepency?

As I said, inferences do not equal categorical statements. You might disagree with Muslims on God's Unity but at least we can proudly say that our belief in God's Unity is precisely stated in several places in the Qur'an. Christian belief in Trinity (the word does not exist in scripture even) is never explicitly claimed but merely an inference (and a wrong one at that). For example,

[Qur'an 112]
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
‘And there is none like unto Him.’

Oh wait there is a clear verse:
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,



Thank you. God bless you. All the above decisively supports my claim that Jews appointed an arbiter (not Muhammad (saw)) and the arbiter (Sa'd) judged against the Jews by their own book.
As I had explained if Muhammad (saw) had been appointed arbiter ... well they didn't. Muhammmad (saw) forgave Meccans despite all the atrocities they committed. Something Jesus never got an opportunity to do (i.e. forgive his enemies after overpowering them).

If it's okay, I acknowledge that my Muslim friends understand shirk and that Allah, blessed be Allah, is not three but One. Also, as a Jewish Christian, I can totally relate. It took a lot of prayerful study for me to believe anyone apart from Allah could be one with Allah.

I have many reasons to believe Jesus is One with Allah, in fact, one of them is the verse you quoted:

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

when taken with Isaiah 43 just a few verses back, "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no Savior," since Jesus is Savior!

However, my main concern in our dialogue is assurance and salvation. For example, I believe as a Christian that because I've trusted Jesus for salvation, I can do nothing but go to Heaven, that I'm 100% sure I will go to Heaven, because I need to be different, better, to be worthy of Heaven, and Jesus died a horrible death on the cross, death by torture, than rose from the dead to pay my sin, so that Allah will take me to Heaven, not based on my merits.

Would you say you are 100% sure you will make it, based on your knowledge of Allah and the Noble Qu'ran?

Thank you.
 

KT Shamim

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
If it's okay, I acknowledge that my Muslim friends understand shirk and that Allah, blessed be Allah, is not three but One. Also, as a Jewish Christian, I can totally relate. It took a lot of prayerful study for me to believe anyone apart from Allah could be one with Allah.

I have many reasons to believe Jesus is One with Allah, in fact, one of them is the verse you quoted:

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

when taken with Isaiah 43 just a few verses back, "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no Savior," since Jesus is Savior!

However, my main concern in our dialogue is assurance and salvation. For example, I believe as a Christian that because I've trusted Jesus for salvation, I can do nothing but go to Heaven, that I'm 100% sure I will go to Heaven, because I need to be different, better, to be worthy of Heaven, and Jesus died a horrible death on the cross, death by torture, than rose from the dead to pay my sin, so that Allah will take me to Heaven, not based on my merits.

Would you say you are 100% sure you will make it, based on your knowledge of Allah and the Noble Qu'ran?

Thank you.
Qur'an requires us to take actions to benefit from God's mercy. Obviously that means I'm really not sure about "making it". I'm dependent on God's grace through and through.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Qur'an requires us to take actions to benefit from God's mercy. Obviously that means I'm really not sure about "making it". I'm dependent on God's grace through and through.

Good, I likewise depend on God's grace. I'm assured, 100%, since I have specific, measurable promises from God. What a relief to no longer have to try to earn God's grace, fellowship, love, even friendship!
 

KT Shamim

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
Good, I likewise depend on God's grace. I'm assured, 100%, since I have specific, measurable promises from God. What a relief to no longer have to try to earn God's grace, fellowship, love, even friendship!
Yeah, shows why Christian world has submitted to materialism. Because 100% assurance already exists.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Qur'an requires us to take actions to benefit from God's mercy. Obviously that means I'm really not sure about "making it". I'm dependent on God's grace through and through.

I understand. Biblical Christians are sure of making it/assured. What a relief! Personally, I see God's grace on the cross and although I've read about 2/3 of the Noble Qu'ran in English, I cannot find as much grace there as I've read in the Bible.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Yeah, shows why Christian world has submitted to materialism. Because 100% assurance already exists.

1. What Allah says is truth, regardless of how people twist truth. After all, the Noble Qu'ran explains Jews and Christians had truth from Allah that was twisted by us, yes?

2. I find some crazy people saying they can act live devils and trust Jesus on their deathbed, but these people are affirming they are yet to trust Jesus, for salvation and relationship.

3. Assurance frees me to want to evangelize and live right, for thankfulness. The Bible explains that assurance was done with a HEAVY price, Christ receiving the wrath of Allah for the sin of the world. No one should take such grace lightly or cheaply.

4. The Christians world is materialist because of sin. The Muslim world has different issues, but they also relate to human sin.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I understand. Biblical Christians are sure of making it/assured. What a relief! Personally, I see God's grace on the cross and although I've read about 2/3 of the Noble Qu'ran in English, I cannot find as much grace there as I've read in the Bible.
Are you a Jew?
 

KT Shamim

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
I understand. Biblical Christians are sure of making it/assured. What a relief! Personally, I see God's grace on the cross and although I've read about 2/3 of the Noble Qu'ran in English, I cannot find as much grace there as I've read in the Bible.
Would it be possible to tell me what is the difference between Grace and Mercy according to the Bible? In my view

Grace = favors God bestows without our demanding them (sun, moon, religious teaching) even before we were born
Mercy = our effort involved that God rewards in plentiful

You agree with this definition?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Would it be possible to tell me what is the difference between Grace and Mercy according to the Bible? In my view

Grace = favors God bestows without our demanding them (sun, moon, religious teaching) even before we were born
Mercy = our effort involved that God rewards in plentiful

You agree with this definition?

I might do it this way per the Bible:

Mercy = a virtue where people are kind or reasonable, for example, in punishment (not more than 39 lashes)
Grace = God's Riches At Christ's Expense (we should go to Hell for sin but trust Jesus Christ and receive this wonderful gift instead)

Thanks.
 

KT Shamim

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
I might do it this way per the Bible:

Mercy = a virtue where people are kind or reasonable, for example, in punishment (not more than 39 lashes)
Grace = God's Riches At Christ's Expense (we should go to Hell for sin but trust Jesus Christ and receive this wonderful gift instead)

Thanks.
What about God's riches before our birth? Was it just or fair for us to have the sun when we never earned it?
Christ's sacrifice had nothing to do with that if my understanding of Christian theology is correct. Or is it?

The fact that God gave us more than what we deserved by creating and sustaining us it reasons that God would always more than reward us for our very weak and negligible actions.
 

Sakeenah

Well-Known Member
Qu'ran 3:106 says:

"On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

Anyone care to comment on that?


It seems to me like the right and healthy thing to point out a potentially toxic verse like that from a "sacred text."

If the Pope or Donald Trump taught something like that, everyone would accuse them of an extremely offensive and blatantly obvious "racial slur", and rightfully so, but when it comes from Muhammad (peace be upon him), no one seems to care.

It is exalting the favored righteous as having "white faces" and speaking of wicked, condemned, unbelievers as having "black faces".

How could someone not see the problem with this picture?


It seems to me like the right thing to do to point out something so offensive.

I love Muhammad (peace be upon him) and hope he is in heaven. But it is still the right thing to do, to point out his errors in judgement and teachings (rather than enable them by being silent and passive).

We all have errors in judgement, but when over a billion people adhere to one's teachings, those errors have much worse potential to do damage, and should be pointed out.

I do the same thing with the Bible and "Christians".

There's nothing wrong with letting your conscience be your guide! :thumbsup:
Black and white are symbols of darkness and light, or turning away from God and turning towards Him, of having unbelief or belief.

The verses have nothing to do with race.

@adrian009 explained it correctly, it has nothing to do with race.
 
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