Matthew 4:7 , Jesus outright calls Himself the Lord God.

When Jesus was speaking to satan, He was referring to Himself, concerning this verse.
Now, in Matthew 4:7
Jesus says, "do not tempt the Lord thy God",
Now, who is being tempted? It certainly isn't the Abba. So, when Jesus says this, there is only one person, who He is referring to, and that is HIMSELF.
The other Lord, God, and this of course follows as many times Jesus is called both Lord, and God.

This means, that Jesus is saying, do not tempt JESUS, as He is the satans Lord and God.
How can this be, unless, Jesus truly is the Lord and God.
It's quite clear. If Jesus were not God, and, in fact, satans God, He would not make that statement.

Disciple of Jesus said:

When Jesus was speaking to satan, He was referring to Himself, concerning this verse.
Now, in Matthew 4:7
Jesus says, "do not tempt the Lord thy God",
Now, who is being tempted? It certainly isn't the Abba. So, when Jesus says this, there is only one person, who He is referring to, and that is HIMSELF.
The other Lord, God, and this of course follows as many times Jesus is called both Lord, and God.

This means, that Jesus is saying, do not tempt JESUS, as He is the satans Lord and God.
How can this be, unless, Jesus truly is the Lord and God.
It's quite clear. If Jesus were not God, and, in fact, satans God, He would not make that statement.

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That seems to depend entirely on how you interpret the preceding context:

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

In other words, the Devil is saying to Jesus "If you're really the son of God, throw yourself off this temple. If it's true, then God will protect you and you will remain unharmed". It's not Jesus being "tempted", it's the Devil proposing to TEST God (in fact, some translations use "test" instead of "tempt" in this passage). So it could easily be read as Jesus suggesting that the Devil's challenge is intended to tempt/test God, not himself.

Why is there any idea that God cannot be "tempted?" He makes decisions doesn't He? Either does things or doesn't? For example, before the flood, when man was getting unruly in God's eyes, did God simply know He was going to destroy them from the moment He made man (Adam/Eve)? Or do you feel that the people's behavior was what pushed God to make the decision to destroy them? Doesn't The Bible say that "the wickedness of man was great in the earth" and "all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth?" This was God's reasoning. And so, as He watched the scene unfolding and man only further proved himself sinful, only further disobeyed God and showed himself only ever wicked... don't you think this is what had the impact on God to push Him to the decision? Don't you think he became more and more TEMPTED to do something about the situation - ultimately leading to the decision to flood the Earth? If not - then didn't God create man knowing that He would destroy them all one day and cause massive amounts of suffering and death - not just to humans, but to all His creatures on the whole Earth? He either became more and more TEMPTED to flood, or He created man with the knowledge that He would destroy them. I know both of those options are uncomfortable for you... but remember that you choose to uphold these beliefs - I choose to question them.

A Vestigial Mote said:

Why is there any idea that God cannot be "tempted?" He makes decisions doesn't He? Either does things or doesn't? For example, before the flood, when man was getting unruly in God's eyes, did God simply know He was going to destroy them from the moment He made man (Adam/Eve)? Or do you feel that the people's behavior was what pushed God to make the decision to destroy them?

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1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

One thing is certain. Men continued to eat and drink right up until the time Noah and family got on the ark. In other words, they acted like business as usual, and never repented at all. Revelation tells us the same thing. But 8 people escaped the flood... and they also escaped the doings of evil people. Revelation says that the time will come to destroy those who are destroying the earth. It is definitely people's behavior that causes their own demise. It's not like they're never warned. God has warned us every step of the way.

OtherSheep said:

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

One thing is certain. Men continued to eat and drink right up until the time Noah and family got on the ark. In other words, they acted like business as usual, and never repented at all. Revelation tells us the same thing. But 8 people escaped the flood... and they also escaped the doings of evil people. Revelation says that the time will come to destroy those who are destroying the earth. It is definitely people's behavior that causes their own demise. It's not like they're never warned. God has warned us every step of the way.

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Then it is settled - God only ever becomes more and more "tempted" to destroy man. For if we heeded His warnings, then He would relent, and not destroy us, correct? Thus proving that God can be tempted, and is on a regular basis, leading to any decision He decides to make where He was waiting first to see how it would unfold.

A Vestigial Mote said:

Then it is settled - God only ever becomes more and more "tempted" to destroy man. For if we heeded His warnings, then He would relent, and not destroy us, correct? Thus proving that God can be tempted, and is on a regular basis, leading to any decision He decides to make where He was waiting first to see how it would unfold.

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Man is always to blame for what happens to him, once he becomes able to make the decision to do bad things. You can't blame God for the choices you make. He gave you the ability to choose. Do you want to blame Him for not placing you in a padded cell where you couldn't hurt yourself or others? Or don't you think that your damage to others should be punished?

And anyway, the word is actually test, prove, examine. Who has the right to do that? Nobody.

OtherSheep said:

Man is always to blame for what happens to him, once he becomes able to make the decision to do bad things. You can't blame God for the choices you make. He gave you the ability to choose. Do you want to blame Him for not placing you in a padded cell where you couldn't hurt yourself or others? Or don't you think that your damage to others should be punished?

And anyway, the word is actually test, prove, examine. Who has the right to do that? Nobody.

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Not sure where you are getting all of this... I merely set out to prove that God can be tempted. That's all. No blaming... no "bad things" being done by me with my choices... no mention of me thinking I shouldn't be punished if I were to do bad things (which again, I'm not doing).

So just calm down man.

Disciple of Jesus said:

When Jesus was speaking to satan, He was referring to Himself, concerning this verse.
Now, in Matthew 4:7
Jesus says, "do not tempt the Lord thy God",
Now, who is being tempted? It certainly isn't the Abba. So, when Jesus says this, there is only one person, who He is referring to, and that is HIMSELF.
The other Lord, God, and this of course follows as many times Jesus is called both Lord, and God.

This means, that Jesus is saying, do not tempt JESUS, as He is the satans Lord and God.
How can this be, unless, Jesus truly is the Lord and God.
It's quite clear. If Jesus were not God, and, in fact, satans God, He would not make that statement.

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Good observation DOJ!

Whom Satan was actually testing or tempting is settled in verse 1:

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. (Mat 4:1)

I'm not sure how others can so quickly forget this and make it a test of someone else by verse 7.

A Vestigial Mote said:

Not sure where you are getting all of this... I merely set out to prove that God can be tempted. That's all. No blaming... no "bad things" being done by me with my choices... no mention of me thinking I shouldn't be punished if I were to do bad things (which again, I'm not doing).

So just calm down man.

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I meant you in the generic sense, not you in particular. Sorry for the confusion. Using the word "one" instead of "you" is too stuffed-shirt for me.

But you (in particular) haven't proven that God can be tempted. If He could, then He wouldn't be light, with no darkness at all. Testing God means you (generic) don't believe Him.

A Vestigial Mote said:

Why is there any idea that God cannot be "tempted?

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I mean, the book of Job is just one big story about how unbelievably easy it is to bait Yahweh into smiting innocent people.

OtherSheep said:

But 8 people escaped the flood... and they also escaped the doings of evil people.

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Since people were so evil and Noah had no way of ascertaining what was going on while the window and door was closed (surely the window was closed, or you'd sink the boat with all that rain), TRULY evil people would punk Noah and his family, pour water on the boat, rock it back and forth with a throng of people, and get it into a sea where Noah would look out and go "wow, everything DID flood" and all of his neighbors would just laugh and laugh and ....

OtherSheep said:

Revelation says that the time will come to destroy those who are destroying the earth.

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The main perp is God, though.

OtherSheep said:

You can't blame God for the choices you make.

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He's the One who wired us a certain way.

We can't be blamed for Someone not reading the manual all the way through.

OtherSheep said:

If He could, then He wouldn't be light, with no darkness at all.

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Light can illuminate and can blind.
Light can warm and burn.
Light can nurture and destroy.
What need have I of darkness?

Darkness can hide as well as reveal.
Darkness can cool as well as freeze.
Darkness can nurture as well as destroy.
What need have I of light?

Disciple of Jesus said:

When Jesus was speaking to satan, He was referring to Himself, concerning this verse.
Now, in Matthew 4:7
Jesus says, "do not tempt the Lord thy God",
Now, who is being tempted? It certainly isn't the Abba. So, when Jesus says this, there is only one person, who He is referring to, and that is HIMSELF.
The other Lord, God, and this of course follows as many times Jesus is called both Lord, and God.

This means, that Jesus is saying, do not tempt JESUS, as He is the satans Lord and God.
How can this be, unless, Jesus truly is the Lord and God.
It's quite clear. If Jesus were not God, and, in fact, satans God, He would not make that statement.

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Well ... I agree Jesus is God and that satan was tempting God manifest. However Jesus seems to have been saying that to cast himself down from the temple would be to test God and that would be a sin. Because God said that the angels would bear Him up. So for Jesus to "test" this scripture out would be a sin.

Satan tempted Jesus with the 3 things in the world. (1 John 2:16) First lust of the flesh. (Command these stones to be made bread) then secondly the lust of the eye. Satan showed (visual temptation) Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. Thirdly satan wanted Jesus to prove He was the Son of God by casting Himself down from the temple. This would have been a temptation of pride. It was satan challenging Jesus. (the pride of Life).

Jesus overcame each temptation by quoting scriptures that proved satan wanted Jesus to commit a sin.

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Well ... I agree Jesus is God and that satan was tempting God manifest. However Jesus seems to have been saying that to cast himself down from the temple would be to test God and that would be a sin. Because God said that the angels would bear Him up. So for Jesus to "test" this scripture out would be a sin.

Satan tempted Jesus with the 3 things in the world. (1 John 2:16) First lust of the flesh. (Command these stones to be made bread) then secondly the lust of the eye. Satan showed (visual temptation) Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. Thirdly satan wanted Jesus to prove He was the Son of God by casting Himself down from the temple. This would have been a temptation of pride. It was satan challenging Jesus. (the pride of Life).

Jesus overcame each temptation by quoting scriptures that proved satan wanted Jesus to commit a sin.

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Agreed. Jesus says that God revealed to Peter who Jesus is, and He expects the same of every one of His sheep. If Jesus had proved that He was the Son of God, He would have lost the believers for an inheritance.

The kingdoms of this world are his to give... proving that he still holds the dominion of the Earth that he took away from Adam. In these days, he's wanting to take the crown of life from every believer... because Jesus tells us in the Revelation that we need to hold it tight so that no one may take it away. And the methods that he uses are also found in the parable of the sower. They're the same tools he used when he tried to take away Jesus' crown... which is 1/3 of what was going on in the temptation.

Hunger/Poverty, persecution, wealth... these three are also found in the letters to the churches of Revelation. Jesus says that the Pharisees killed Him to steal His inheritance: The Earth, The Believers, and The Crown of King.

Disciple of Jesus said:

When Jesus was speaking to satan, He was referring to Himself, concerning this verse.
Now, in Matthew 4:7
Jesus says, "do not tempt the Lord thy God",
Now, who is being tempted? It certainly isn't the Abba. So, when Jesus says this, there is only one person, who He is referring to, and that is HIMSELF.
The other Lord, God, and this of course follows as many times Jesus is called both Lord, and God.

This means, that Jesus is saying, do not tempt JESUS, as He is the satans Lord and God.
How can this be, unless, Jesus truly is the Lord and God.
It's quite clear. If Jesus were not God, and, in fact, satans God, He would not make that statement.

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This reasoning is not consistent with the context of Mat 4

In vs 3 and 4 Satan clearly addresses the "son" of God by questioning his parentage.
"if you are really the son of God"
(Not if you are really God)

In respons Jesus quoted the scriptures namely Deut 6:16 .
by saying "it is written"
In this text the one that was put to the text was JHVH.
"you must not put JHVH your God to the test, the way you put him to the test at Massah.

Further in vs 10 it is clear that Satan was testing Jesus integrity and faithfullness to his God and Father.
Jesus said to Satan: in Mat 4:10 It is JHVH your God you must worship , and it is to him ( not me) alone you must render sacred service. The gist of this statement is taken from scriptures such as Deut 10:20 or Jos 24:14.

In vs 9 Satan said "all these things I will give you".
This offer would make no sense if Satan was adressing the creator of the universe as all things belong to Him anyway.