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I want to be nice to God!

Earthling

David Henson
So, the meaning is lost in translation , God doesn't mean what it says, so when you read the Bible, you don't know what is being said, because it doesn't mean what it says.....got it!

Thanks! Thats great depressing news! :rolleyes:

No, no, no . . . that makes it interesting. It does say what it means but sometimes there are difficulties due to translation and language that aren't always immediately clear to the reader. That's why study is so important, especially when you get to a portion of it that raises some flag or warning. It's easy to misinterpret.

It's often linguistics, which I also find very fun to poke around looking for answers. Sort of like, "natural disasters" are sometimes called "acts of God." It isn't that God is sitting up in heaven and with a raise of a finger causes an earthquake somewhere because people are sinning, it's that God created the universe and in that universe, where this planet resides, there are sometimes Earthquakes.

The same with people dying. They say "God took them." He didn't. He allowed it.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
The first thing i think about God is, perfect innocence, has anybody contemplated just how nice perfect innocence is. Total blamelessness, only the best intentions for everybody, no envy, no jealousy, pristine pure judgment, honesty as deserved, the ultimate confidante.

Heck i wanna be very very supremely nice to such a being.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Sorry, i missed this post.... I had a lot of exposure to Judaism because my mom was a hardcore Sabbath keeper, kosher keeper, pro-Israel, Zionist, Jew lover, with stars of David and Menorah's every where.

I admire Jews and how they changed and influenced the world.

And i love Israel for keeping Muslim bigotry and aggression in check! Muslims stole that land, and stole so much land, its good to see the Jews got some of it back!

I keep an Israeli flag in my room and enshrine my Jewish heroes, pray to the Jews in heaven, and pray for God's chosen people. :)View attachment 22881
There ya go.There is a lot of good in Judaic-Christian teachings. You were taught these values, from the holy writings.
The 1 or 2% you have a problem with, evidently, is because you were taught by others - Ridiculers, they are called.

So it seems to me, you apparently want to have both sides - one foot in, one foot out. Divided loyalty - wanting to be a friend of God, but desiring friends of ridiculers of God, and the Bible.

The two won't mesh.
Am I right do you think? If you feel I am wrong, which I could be, I submit.
I think I am on the right track though, based on what I am seeing.:)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
There ya go.There is a lot of good in Judaic-Christian teachings. You were taught these values, from the holy writings.
The 1 or 2% you have a problem with, evidently, is because you were taught by others - Ridiculers, they are called.

So it seems to me, you apparently want to have both sides - one foot in, one foot out. Divided loyalty - wanting to be a friend of God, but desiring friends of ridiculers of God, and the Bible.

The two won't mesh.
Am I right do you think? If you feel I am wrong, which I could be, I submit.
I think I am on the right track though, based on what I am seeing.:)
I think you might be right.

But I just don't think I can ever approve of some of Gods actions in scripture, which I consider crimes against humanity and insane!
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I think you might be right.

But I just don't think I can ever approve of some of Gods actions in scripture, which I consider crimes against humanity and insane!
Approve?
When you were 5, 6, 7, 8... did your mom, or dad ever whip your behind - maybe pull down your trousers to make sure nothing, not even cloth gets in the way?
You may not have like what they did at the time - you didn't approve of their punishment. However, they came a time when you understood that it was merited.

Maybe we ought to look at your current situation that way.
Could you see yourself correcting your mom or dad then?
Perhaps it isn't God that needs correcting.

(Ezekiel 18:25) 25 “‘And YOU people will certainly say: “The way of Jehovah is not adjusted right.” Hear, please, O house of Israel. Is not my own way adjusted right? Are not the ways of YOU people not adjusted right?

Time for bed. Goodnight.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
No, no, no . . . that makes it interesting. It does say what it means but sometimes there are difficulties due to translation and language that aren't always immediately clear to the reader. That's why study is so important, especially when you get to a portion of it that raises some flag or warning. It's easy to misinterpret.

It's often linguistics, which I also find very fun to poke around looking for answers. Sort of like, "natural disasters" are sometimes called "acts of God." It isn't that God is sitting up in heaven and with a raise of a finger causes an earthquake somewhere because people are sinning, it's that God created the universe and in that universe, where this planet resides, there are sometimes Earthquakes.

The same with people dying. They say "God took them." He didn't. He allowed it.
What you present is extremely depressing to me.

Scripture doesn't mean what it says.

So, it misleads countless readers by saying things like "God hardens hearts", when indeed it does not mean that.

Pretty darn stupid dewd! :(
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Approve?
When you were 5, 6, 7, 8... did your mom, or dad ever whip your behind - maybe pull down your trousers to make sure nothing, not even cloth gets in the way?
You may not have like what they did at the time - you didn't approve of their punishment. However, they came a time when you understood that it was merited.

Maybe we ought to look at your current situation that way.
Could you see yourself correcting your mom or dad then?
Perhaps it isn't God that needs correcting.

(Ezekiel 18:25) 25 “‘And YOU people will certainly say: “The way of Jehovah is not adjusted right.” Hear, please, O house of Israel. Is not my own way adjusted right? Are not the ways of YOU people not adjusted right?

Time for bed. Goodnight.
Still,
I can't defend or adore Dad who is a fascist Dictator, lady-killer, child-killer, baby-killer, mass-murderer who kills sinless people, hardens hearts, or kills people for stupid things like working on Saturday.

I will not approve of behavior i find cruel, nonsensical, bigoted, and disgusting! Sorry!

Good night! :)
 
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Earthling

David Henson
What you present is extremely depressing to me.

Scripture doesn't mean what it says.

So, it misleads countless readers by saying things like "God hardens hearts", when indeed it does not mean that.

Pretty darn stupid dewd! :(

I'm a rich business man. I'm in real estate. Someone says to you, Rothschild Saxe Coburg Gotha built that skyscraper. Does that mean I drew up the plans and constructed it with my own hands?

It's language dewd, you already know this stuff you just aren't seeing it because you have a fixed notion in your mind's eye and the information I'm giving you ****s with your world view. Relax. Let it go. Learn and grow.

It's like Kung Fu

 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I'm a rich business man. I'm in real estate. Someone says to you, Rothschild Saxe Coburg Gotha built that skyscraper. Does that mean I drew up the plans and constructed it with my own hands?

It's language dewd, you already know this stuff you just aren't seeing it because you have a fixed notion in your mind's eye and the information I'm giving you ****s with your world view. Relax. Let it go. Learn and grow.

It's like Kung Fu

You're proud of how much money you have. Well, enjoy your reward in this life!:thumbsup:

I tend to admire Prophets like Elijah who was homeless, a cavedweller, poor, fed by Raven, unemployed, and suicidal....or John the Baptist, who lived in the wilderness, unemployed, clothed in camel hair, reaking of body odor and bad breath, eating locusts and wild honey, and convincing the Religious people who knew the Scriptures that he was insane!

The people of the time who knew the Scriptures, on average were the ones who rejected Christ! ;)

So, keep on building skyscrapers, driving a Lexus, enjoy your yacht, and your mansion. But you can't take it with you! And it doesn't mean squat about how holy you are! Congrats though on finding reward in this short life! Enjoy!:moneybag::trophy:
 

Earthling

David Henson
You're proud of how much money you have. Well, enjoy your reward in this life!:thumbsup:

I tend to admire Prophets like Elijah who was homeless, a cavedweller, poor, fed by Raven, unemployed, and suicidal....or John the Baptist, who lived in the wilderness, unemployed, clothed in camel hair, reaking of body odor and bad breath, eating locusts and wild honey, and convincing the Religious people who knew the Scriptures that he was insane!

The people of the time who knew the Scriptures, on average were the ones who rejected Christ! ;)

So, keep on building skyscrapers, driving a Lexus, enjoy your yacht, and your mansion. But you can't take it with you! And it doesn't mean squat about how holy you are! Congrats though on finding reward in this short life! Enjoy!:moneybag::trophy:

It was an illustration, Pope. I'm not a rich person. Far from it. It was an illustration to demonstrate language. The rich real estate mogul doesn't actually build the skyscraper with his own hands, but that isn't what is meant when someone says he built it. Same with God hardening the heart of Pharaoh.

I'm David, by the way. That's my real name.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
It was an illustration, Pope. I'm not a rich person. Far from it. It was an illustration to demonstrate language. The rich real estate mogul doesn't actually build the skyscraper with his own hands, but that isn't what is meant when someone says he built it. Same with God hardening the heart of Pharaoh.

I'm David, by the way. That's my real name.
Okay King David! :p

I'm actually relieved you aren't some rich businessman. That just sounds so far from Jesus being born in a barn and becoming a humble carpenter, or the apostles who were fishermen, or Paul who was a tentmaker (but unlike many of the followers of Christ, he knew his Scripture).

I'm Matthew by the way, named after the tax-collector.

But I see a problem with wealth. Jesus said how hard it is for a rich man to get to heaven.

On a side note, im bothered that you keep calling God Jehovah.

YHWH seems wrong as "Jehovah" because of the fact that the letter "J" doesn't even exist in Hebrew, Greek, Latin. Further, the English language did not have a letter "J" before about 1500 AD from what I've read.

Thing is, i think if God's name was Jehovah, he would not have waited so long to make it known and it would be found in ancient texts.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
I understand all of that. It isn't the central issue for me at this point. At this point we are discussing something much more important. You are slandering God in your attempt to reinvent him because you don't accept how he is presented in the Bible, because you have not been taught how to properly study it. You are, in effect, raising yourself above Yahweh out of ignorance.

How does the apostle Peter fit into your perception of the Catholic Church? Do you see him as the first Pope? What do you think about Acts Of The Apostles 5:1-11 Ananias and Sapphira? Did Peter kill the couple for cheating God out of the money they promised or is this just another biblical lie? And how do you justify the millions of people the Catholic church has killed over the ages?

You reject the Bible because it says God kills, but embrace the Church with a long, and well established record of killing innocent people.
Regarding the Apostle Peter, Christ built his Church on him.

The world book encyclopedia is not a Catholic book, yet lists an unbreakable chain of Pope's dating back to Peter. The second being Linus in 67 AD.

Was Peter the first Pope? History sometimes says yes. I tend to agree. But not sure. He certainly wasn't called "Pope", but that doesn't mean he didn't hold the same office as chief shepherd of the Church.
 

Earthling

David Henson
Okay King David! :p

I'm actually relieved you aren't some rich businessman. That just sounds so far from Jesus being born in a barn and becoming a humble carpenter, or the apostles who were fishermen, or Paul who was a tentmaker (but unlike many of the followers of Christ, he knew his Scripture).

I'm Matthew by the way, named after the tax-collector.

But I see a problem with wealth. Jesus said how hard it is for a rich man to get to heaven.

I'm bothered that you keep calling God Jehovah.

YHWH seems wrong as "Jehovah" because of the fact that the letter "J" doesn't even exist in Hebrew, Greek, Latin. Further, the English language did not have a letter "J" before about 1500 AD from what I've read.

Thing is, i think if God's name was Jehovah, he would not have waited so long to make it known and it would be found in ancient texts.

Paul was from a very wealthy family. He was from the prominent city of Cilicia (Acts Of The Apostles 21:39 / Acts Of The Apostles 22:3) and he was schooled by Pharisee Gamaliel, which means his family had money. (Acts Of The Apostles 5:34)

Jehovah is the English translation of Yahweh, like Jesus is the English translation of Yeshua. So, if you say Jesus, it only makes sense to say Jehovah. Not that that's terribly important. Different languages use different names.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
PaD....FWIW, I see you bravely defending a corrupt church. It isn't me who says its corrupt...its history.
What you have been taught by the RCC is not Christianity. When the bloodshed began and the Christian spirit departed from church in the early centuries...Christ left the building. But it was foretold that this apostasy would take place (Acts 20:28-30).....why are you surprised that it did? Jesus and the apostles told us that it was inevitable. (Matthew 13:36-43)

Jesus said "by their fruits" (Matthew 7:13-20) you would recognize the difference between one serving God and one not serving him.

Through his prophet Malachi he said...
"16 Then those who revered the Lord spoke with one another. The Lord took note and listened, and a book of remembrance was written before him of those who revered the Lord and thought on his name. 17 They shall be mine, says the Lord of hosts, my special possession on the day when I act, and I will spare them as parents spare their children who serve them. 18 Then once more you shall see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him." (Malachi 3:16-18 NRSVCE)

Because it was not yet time to "cleanse" his people of their false teachings, (that was to take place in the time of the end. Daniel 12:9-10) the book that we currently recognize as "The Bible" was inspired of God, but written by men of his choosing. All such writing finished with the death of the last apostle, John.

Whom God used to compile the finished canon, was unimportant, because not a word in that collection of little books was written by a Catholic. All the writers were Jewish......and just as the apostate Pharisees used God 's word in their hypocritical worship, so did the RCC. (though not a lot, apparently)

And when Jesus comes as judge of all the earth, what does he say to those ones who did all things in Jesus name...? He tells them "I never knew you"....."never" means NOT EVER. Not from their beginnings has God written their names in his "book of remembrance". Why? Because he said that they were "workers of lawlessness". History tells us just how deeply the power they exerted even over kings, had corrupted them.



There is irony only in their claim to be followers of Christ.



I am not a Protestant. JW's are no part of Christendom.....we hold NO beliefs in common with them at all, having severed all ties with their beliefs and practices, and refusing to participate in their pagan inspired festivals. The "whore of Babylon" is not just the RCC but the entire world empire of false religion created by the devil to siphon off worship for himself.....all worship that God rejects, goes to the other "god" by default.
Christendom is just more reprehensible IMO.



Because it is "God's word".....not the words of men. God is the one who can use even his enemies to accomplish his will. He has done so in the past.



It makes perfect sense to those whom God has written in his book of life. Do you think he wants to exclude you?
I assure you he doesn't want to exclude anyone (2 Peter 3:9).....it is we who exclude ourselves by the decisions we make. Whilst ever you hold any animosity towards God and think and speak disrespectful things about him, he will not welcome you into his fold. The citizens of his Kingdom are being chosen very carefully. No person with rebellious thoughts or action will qualify to live there. This is something we can change, if we want to.

That is how I see things.
Jesus said "upon this rock I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".

You are claiming the gates of hell did prevail against it and a man-made cult, invented in the 19th century has the truth, while Christians for over a thousand years all belonged to a Pagan Satanic Whore.

So, holy mystics, Prophets, visionairies, monks, nuns, and Saints, who prayed incessantly, dedicated themselves to God, were meek, humble, charitable, disciplined, and wise, like Francis of Assissi, Padre Pio, Mother Teresa, Saint Faustina, Catherine of Sienna, Anthony of Padua, Saint Bennedict, Saint Jerome, and countless other holy people who said wiser things about God and spirituality, and did more heroic deeds then you ever will, all followed the "Satanic Pagan Whore".

That goes to show God didn't guide and shepherd the humble prayerful people who sought his will unceasingly. But instead, a man-made cult that wasn't invented till the 19th century has the truth.

What you are saying is depressing, discouraging, and makes me sick!
:(
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Paul was from a very wealthy family. He was from the prominent city of Cilicia (Acts Of The Apostles 21:39 / Acts Of The Apostles 22:3) and he was schooled by Pharisee Gamaliel, which means his family had money. (Acts Of The Apostle 5:34)

Jehovah is the English translation of Yahweh, like Jesus is the English translation of Yeshua. So, if you say Jesus, it only makes sense to say Jehovah. Not that that's terribly important. Different languages use different names.
I figured being as educated as he was meant much money coming from somewhere in a time most people were illiterate.

I'm from "Saint Paul" by the way. Capitol of Minnesota. I live right next to the capitol building, the Cathedral of Saint Paul, and cool war memorials. All of which are fun to visit and pray + meditate.

I tell God I think the scriptures and how he treats people is f***** up, but still love him, worship him, and ask him to change my heart so I no longer am angry at him.
 

Earthling

David Henson
I figured being as educated as he was meant much money coming from somewhere in a time most people were illiterate.

I'm from "Saint Paul" by the way. Capitol of Minnesota. I live right next to the capitol building, the Cathedral of Saint Paul, and cool war memorials. All of which are fun to visit and pray + meditate.

I tell God I think the scriptures and how he treats people is f***** up, but still love him, worship him, and ask him to change my heart so I no longer am angry at him.

It's funny, one of the things you mentioned, aside from the part about God lying, that also made me mad at God when I first started to study, when I was about your age, actually, is when the guy tried to keep the ark from tipping over and it killed him. That also made King David mad at God. The three of us have that in common.

You're intelligent and you think outside the box and I think your heart is in the right place, but, and don't take this the wrong way, don't take it personally, your in a sort of cesspool spiritually. And I don't say that because I disagree with you. I've disagreed with people who I respected many times and didn't say that to them, including staunch Catholics. You are unique in that spiritual capacity for sure.

I hope your prayers are answered and you can stop being mad at God. If you keep trying you just might. I would help you as much as I can if you would let me.

I'm from a small town in Indiana. Lived in the area most of my life. A country boy at heart.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
It's funny, one of the things you mentioned, aside from the part about God lying, that also made me mad at God when I first started to study, when I was about your age, actually, is when the guy tried to keep the ark from tipping over and it killed him. That also made King David mad at God. The three of us have that in common.

You're intelligent and you think outside the box and I think your heart is in the right place, but, and don't take this the wrong way, don't take it personally, your in a sort of cesspool spiritually. And I don't say that because I disagree with you. I've disagreed with people who I respected many times and didn't say that to them, including staunch Catholics. You are unique in that spiritual capacity for sure.

I hope your prayers are answered and you can stop being mad at God. If you keep trying you just might. I would help you as much as I can if you would let me.

I'm from a small town in Indiana. Lived in the area most of my life. A country boy at heart.
I admit I'm in a cesspool...but I don't think it has anything to do with my devotion to the spirits of the dead. I believe as Scripture says, "we are one body in Christ". When a person dies, they do not cease to be a member of the body of Christ.

So, i feel connected to souls in Heaven, feel they are family, and influence me.

God will have to convince me differently, because I have convictions that only he can change, not you, Scripture, anything, or anyone, but grace from God.

The reason i consider myself in a cesspool, is I masturbate. I don't do it daily, and I don't look at porn, but still think it's impure. I also have an immoral sense of humor. I also have a fowl mouth and listen to ungodly music.

I also blaspheme and feel like homosexuality and fornication is no worse a sin than pride, anger, covetousness, envy, laziness, and gluttony.

I also lost the faith I had a month ago and don't pray much, or do many good deeds. I've become a bit lukewarm these last three weeks.

So, in that sense, im in a spiritual cesspool. :(
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
There is nothing original about the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, any more than there is my own or anyone else. You are an offshoot of the Seventh Day Adventists.

Not true. We are not an offshoot of any denomination. There were a group of men from various church backgrounds who met together to investigate the various doctrines to see if they were supported in the scriptures. One of them I believe was an SDA.

The Watchtower literature uses various sources for their spiritual growth, including the Catholic Encyclopedia and, from 1992 - 2001 the United Nations, which they strongly criticized

The sources used in our literature are from the 'horses mouth', meaning that we quote from the literature of the religious institution itself so as to maintain accuracy. The same was true of our NGO status (Non Government Organization) in the UN, which from memory required membership to access their library. Once we had secured our information, we resigned. Apostates had a field day with that one.....looks like you believe them. (not surprisingly)

There nothing wrong with this, it would be foolish not to use those sources, but you and @PopeADope have a lot more in common than you might like to think.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I assure you that PaD has no religious beliefs even in the same ball park as I do. He has made up his mind that God is a fiend and apparently nothing will change that. He is a free agent and can choose whatever belief he likes.

Careful when pointing your finger at others because you will always have 3 more fingers of your own hand pointing back at you.

Now, that is actually funny coming from you.....
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In addition, I would point out to both of you that the Hebrew cannon, that is the majority of the Bible as we know it, was already established long before either one of your churches existed.

Funny I was just going to mention that. Paul's stating that "all scripture is inspired of God" was a reference to the Hebrew scriptures. When Jesus said "it is written" he was referring to the Hebrew writings.

Just for the record....Jehovah has always had his witnesses.

Isaiah 43:10-12....
You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,
“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and have faith in me
And understand that I am the same One.
Before me no God was formed,
And after me there has been none.

11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
12 “I am the One who declared and saved and made known
When there was no foreign god among you.

So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God."


Hebrews 12:1-2....
"So, then, because we have such a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."

Jesus is called "the faithful and true witness" of Jehovah.

Revelation 1:5...
"and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”

Revelation 3:14....
“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God"

We aren't anything new....we are just the ones who accepted the cleansing and refining that God foretold for this "time of the end". (Daniel 12:9-10) I have explained the need for the cleansing, whitening and refining. God's worship needed to remove the unclean stains and impurities that had crept in centuries ago. Those who liked it the way it was, saw no need.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Not true. We are not an offshoot of any denomination. There were a group of men from various church backgrounds who met together to investigate the various doctrines to see if they were supported in the scriptures. One of them I believe was an SDA.



The sources used in our literature are from the 'horses mouth', meaning that we quote from the literature of the religious institution itself so as to maintain accuracy. The same was true of our NGO status (Non Government Organization) in the UN, which from memory required membership to access their library. Once we had secured our information, we resigned. Apostates had a field day with that one.....looks like you believe them. (not surprisingly)



I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I assure you that PaD has no religious beliefs even in the same ball park as I do. He has made up his mind that God is a fiend and apparently nothing will change that. He is a free agent and can choose whatever belief he likes.



Now, that is actually funny coming from you.....
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Funny I was just going to mention that. Paul's stating that "all scripture is inspired of God" was a reference to the Hebrew scriptures. When Jesus said "it is written" he was referring to the Hebrew writings.

Just for the record....Jehovah has always had his witnesses.

Isaiah 43:10-12....
You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,
“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and have faith in me
And understand that I am the same One.
Before me no God was formed,
And after me there has been none.

11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
12 “I am the One who declared and saved and made known
When there was no foreign god among you.

So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God."


Hebrews 12:1-2....
"So, then, because we have such a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."

Jesus is called "the faithful and true witness" of Jehovah.

Revelation 1:5...
"and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”

Revelation 3:14....
“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God"

We aren't anything new....we are just the ones who accepted the cleansing and refining that God foretold for this "time of the end". (Daniel 12:9-10) I have explained the need for the cleansing, whitening and refining. God's worship needed to remove the unclean stains and impurities that had crept in centuries ago. Those who liked it the way it was, saw no need.
I don't believe God is an evil fiend.

I read the inhumane, nonsensical, barbaric atrocities and genocide in scripture, and decide not to attribute such things to God.

You are actually more Catholic than you realize. The Christian Bible was a Catholic book for many centuries.

The Catholic Church decided and declared it to be the "word of God".

Essentially, you believe your New Testaments is the word of God because because the Catholic Church said it is.

How else would you know?

The New Testament doesn't say which books belong in the New testament. You believe you have the correct New Testament because the Catholic Church said so. End of story!
 
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