Spiderman
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So, some people think I'm mean to God and rebelling against him. I don't think so!
IMHO, the meanest thing you can do to God is start claiming a book is true that says He killed people for working on the wrong day of the week, had people stoned to death for other things that aren't even illegal in most countries, committed genocide, killed women, children, and babies that haven't even sinned.
That to me sounds far more blasphemous than anything I said. Truth is, I highly doubt God did that.
Having children torn to pieces by wild beasts for simply being immature kids, killing someone for steadying the Ark, killing kids for disrespecting parents, slaying the first born of Egypt for simply being born first, and hardening Pharaoh's heart, so that you can inflict all kinds of atrocious deadly plagues on people that had nothing to do with it, just makes me sick! Yes, God repeatedly said "I will harden Pharaoh's heart", so essentially, all of Egypt gets punished and has loved ones die because of Pharaoh doing what God wanted him to do.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense! Got it!
People that want to paint God up like the most irrational mass-murdering tyrant and bigot in history, are insulting God worse than I am.
Thing is, the Catholic Church is the institution that decided which books would be in the Christian Bible. The Catholic Church is the institution that said it is the "inerrant word of God." The founder of Protestantism was a Catholic priest, and the founders of Protestantism got their Bible from the Catholic Church, so the Christian Bible is a Catholic book. Therefore, I'll never understand so many "Christians" who adore the Bible, use it as their sole rule of faith and Theology (which the Bible never says to do), while hating the institution that the Christian Bible comes from and calling it "Satanic, Pagan, Whore of Babylon" etc.
If the Catholic Church is a Satanic institution that is at enmity with God, how do you know the Catholic Church chose the correct new Testament Canon (a decision that Protestants accept to be infallible and correct), and throughout the centuries this "Satanic Church" didn't add a bunch of hogwash to it?
I still go to daily mass for reasons that have nothing to do with the Bible, but going to daily mass, you will hear more of the Bible recited than at any Protestant Church I've been to. I have read many Catholic writings, and by far, the Bible is the most toxic, irrational, embarrassing piece of literature, that I've ever read, that the Church promotes.
So, I want to be nicer to God, and pray that I could be...But it's up to God to grant the grace to be obedient to him and understand all the bloodthirsty madness, and irrational tyrannical policies that Scripture attributes to Him. I'm not at fault for having a conscience that says genocide, hardening hearts, and killing women, children, and babies is sick and wrong, and I'm not at fault for despising a piece of literature that promotes policies and behavior every fiber of my being tells me to be sick, irrational, intolerant, bigoted, inhumane, cruel, and wrong!
Since the Bible is a Catholic book, and the Catholic Church is so "Satanic, Pagan," and the "Whore of Babylon" why should I trust a book that the Catholic Church put together, declared to be the "Inerrant Word of God", and owned century after century for over 1400 years before the invention of a man-made movement called "Protestantism"?
I think I'd be a better person, by simply asking "What would @'mud do?" And letting that decide my decisions, rather than "What would Jehovah (God of the Bible) do".
I'd rather not defend the stoning of adulterers, killing people for working on the wrong day of the week, or committing genocide, and think that people who want to push a book that claims God is a bloodthirsty baby-killer, are insulting God far more than I ever have.
And yes, I want to be nicer to God! I really do!
And I don't have to cherish or defend the Bible to do so!
Thing is, the first Christians were not Bible Christians. They didn't cherish the Bible or use it as their rule of life, rule of faith, rule of Theology etc. Most were illiterate, there was no Bible at the time, and even if there was, no printing press to create enough copies for the average person to own. Catholic Monks eventually were writing Bibles by hand which could take up to ten years to reproduce one. How do we know, during all those centuries, that they (or the Church hierarchy) weren't making mistakes or adding hogwash to it?? @Deeje?
IMHO, the meanest thing you can do to God is start claiming a book is true that says He killed people for working on the wrong day of the week, had people stoned to death for other things that aren't even illegal in most countries, committed genocide, killed women, children, and babies that haven't even sinned.
That to me sounds far more blasphemous than anything I said. Truth is, I highly doubt God did that.
Having children torn to pieces by wild beasts for simply being immature kids, killing someone for steadying the Ark, killing kids for disrespecting parents, slaying the first born of Egypt for simply being born first, and hardening Pharaoh's heart, so that you can inflict all kinds of atrocious deadly plagues on people that had nothing to do with it, just makes me sick! Yes, God repeatedly said "I will harden Pharaoh's heart", so essentially, all of Egypt gets punished and has loved ones die because of Pharaoh doing what God wanted him to do.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense! Got it! People that want to paint God up like the most irrational mass-murdering tyrant and bigot in history, are insulting God worse than I am.
Thing is, the Catholic Church is the institution that decided which books would be in the Christian Bible. The Catholic Church is the institution that said it is the "inerrant word of God." The founder of Protestantism was a Catholic priest, and the founders of Protestantism got their Bible from the Catholic Church, so the Christian Bible is a Catholic book. Therefore, I'll never understand so many "Christians" who adore the Bible, use it as their sole rule of faith and Theology (which the Bible never says to do), while hating the institution that the Christian Bible comes from and calling it "Satanic, Pagan, Whore of Babylon" etc.
If the Catholic Church is a Satanic institution that is at enmity with God, how do you know the Catholic Church chose the correct new Testament Canon (a decision that Protestants accept to be infallible and correct), and throughout the centuries this "Satanic Church" didn't add a bunch of hogwash to it?
I still go to daily mass for reasons that have nothing to do with the Bible, but going to daily mass, you will hear more of the Bible recited than at any Protestant Church I've been to. I have read many Catholic writings, and by far, the Bible is the most toxic, irrational, embarrassing piece of literature, that I've ever read, that the Church promotes.
So, I want to be nicer to God, and pray that I could be...But it's up to God to grant the grace to be obedient to him and understand all the bloodthirsty madness, and irrational tyrannical policies that Scripture attributes to Him. I'm not at fault for having a conscience that says genocide, hardening hearts, and killing women, children, and babies is sick and wrong, and I'm not at fault for despising a piece of literature that promotes policies and behavior every fiber of my being tells me to be sick, irrational, intolerant, bigoted, inhumane, cruel, and wrong!
Since the Bible is a Catholic book, and the Catholic Church is so "Satanic, Pagan," and the "Whore of Babylon" why should I trust a book that the Catholic Church put together, declared to be the "Inerrant Word of God", and owned century after century for over 1400 years before the invention of a man-made movement called "Protestantism"?
I think I'd be a better person, by simply asking "What would @'mud do?"
And letting that decide my decisions, rather than "What would Jehovah (God of the Bible) do".I'd rather not defend the stoning of adulterers, killing people for working on the wrong day of the week, or committing genocide, and think that people who want to push a book that claims God is a bloodthirsty baby-killer, are insulting God far more than I ever have.
And yes, I want to be nicer to God! I really do!
And I don't have to cherish or defend the Bible to do so! Thing is, the first Christians were not Bible Christians. They didn't cherish the Bible or use it as their rule of life, rule of faith, rule of Theology etc. Most were illiterate, there was no Bible at the time, and even if there was, no printing press to create enough copies for the average person to own. Catholic Monks eventually were writing Bibles by hand which could take up to ten years to reproduce one. How do we know, during all those centuries, that they (or the Church hierarchy) weren't making mistakes or adding hogwash to it?? @Deeje?
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