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Jesus never says to worship himself

Spiderman

Spiderman

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People called him Lord and worshiped him.

Since the Bible and Koran are so full of contradictions or incoherence, I get really irritated by Religious people who go around attacking harmless beliefs and practices of other faiths because they think it is Idolatrous, sinful, or offensive to God.

Leave people alone!

If God has a problem with them, let God enlighten them.

If God chooses to remain silent and leave them confused, well that is God's fault for not giving them understanding and eyes to see.

I hear or read Muslims constantly say , "God is offended that people join associates with him".

Well, if God is so offended by it, why does he act so worthless and powerless, and leave the vast majority of the world in confusion, division, and error?

Those who join associates with God do so because God wants them to. If God didn't want it, he could easily stop being pathetic and speak to such people, enlighten them, give them understanding.

The most confused people are the ones who go around telling everyone with different religious beliefs that their beliefs are false and offensive to God!
 
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Spiderman

Spiderman

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I see you constantly bashing other beliefs and traditions and it's getting on my nerves.

Why dont you leave people alone and respect what they find spiritually enriching?
Please!

Why is your God so weak, pathetic, and irresponsible that he leaves humans in confusion, doubt, heresy, disbelief, and division, and he refuses to instruct them, refuses to enlighten them, refuses to open their eyes, refuses to speak up???

Sounds like quite a pitiful pathetic God that can't be trusted.
Please!
Regards!
 
wizanda

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
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paarsurrey said:
Jesus never says to worship himself.
Right, please?
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Yeshua was an avatar of the Lord (YHVH)... So when he tells people to love him more than their family, that is a form of adoration.

Matthew 10:37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn’t worthy of me.

Yet consider Yeshua told us to only worship, and serve the God Most High his father.

So since you've posted both threads at the same time, will also point out:

Krishna said the same thing, to practice Bhakti (devotion) towards him; yet to worship the ultimate Source of reality (Brahman).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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URAVIP2ME

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wizanda said:
Yeshua was an avatar of the Lord (YHVH)... So when he tells people to love him more than their family, that is a form of adoration.
Matthew 10:37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn’t worthy of me.
Yet consider Yeshua told us to only worship, and serve the God Most High his father...............
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At Psalms 110 KJV there are two (2) LORD/Lord's mentioned:
* Where the LORD is in all Upper-Case letters that is where the Tetragrammaton YHVH stands for God.
* Where the Lord is in some lower-case letters that stands for Lord Jesus. No Tetragrammaton applied to Jesus.

Loving a parent or child by putting their desires or wants ahead of Jesus' teachings does Not have to mean adoration but obeying as Jesus put his Father's will ahead of his own. So, if a parent or child wants something of you that is beyond scriptural then what Jesus taught comes first.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
PopeADope said:
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Why is your God so weak, pathetic, and irresponsible that he leaves humans in confusion, doubt, heresy, disbelief, and division, and he refuses to instruct them, refuses to enlighten them, refuses to open their eyes, refuses to speak up??? Sounds like quite a pitiful pathetic God that can't be trusted.
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My God is Not weak, etc. because He does speak up through Scripture.
That is why Jesus taught that Scripture is religious truth at John 17:17.
And why Jesus based his teachings by his logical reasoning on Scripture by often prefacing his statements with the words, " it is written..." meaning already written down in the old Hebrew Scriptures explaining them for us.
So, it is Not God who refuses to speak up but rather people who refuse to listen to what is being spoken.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

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URAVIP2ME said:
My God is Not weak, etc. because He does speak up through Scripture.
That is why Jesus taught that Scripture is religious truth at John 17:17.
And why Jesus based his teachings by his logical reasoning on Scripture by often prefacing his statements with the words, " it is written..." meaning already written down in the old Hebrew Scriptures explaining them for us.
So, it is Not God who refuses to speak up but rather people who refuse to listen to what is being spoken.
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Not true, for many centuries, every christian church on Earth preached a different set of Doctrines and Theology than ive seen you promote.

Therefore, for all i know, it could be them who were listening to the spirit of God, and you who rebels against God, and preaches heresy to cause others to stumble into error and confusion! ;)
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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URAVIP2ME said:
Seems to me Jesus makes it clear at John 4:23-24 as to whom one should direct his worship, and it is Not Jesus.
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John 4:23-24
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

https://www.religiousforums.com/bible/john/4:23-24/

Was Jesus his own Father, please?
Was Jesus his own Mother, please?
If yes,that will make Mary his wife, and that I don't believe, only people who believe in Pauline Christianity could say .

Regards
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
John 4:23-24
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Was Jesus his own Father, please?
Was Jesus his own Mother, please?
If yes,that will make Mary his wife, and that I don't believe, only people who believe in Pauline Christianity could say .
Regards
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I find gospel writer John wrote at Revelation 3:14; 1:5 that the pre-human Jesus was the beginning of the creation by God. That makes God: the Father and Creator of the pre-human heavenly Jesus before God sent Jesus to Earth.
In other words, God had No beginning, so pre-human Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
PopeADope said:
Not true, for many centuries, every christian church on Earth preached a different set of Doctrines and Theology than ive seen you promote.
Therefore, for all i know, it could be them who were listening to the spirit of God, and you who rebels against God, and preaches heresy to cause others to stumble into error and confusion! ;)
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I find the Bible is Not written in ABC order as a dictionary is.
So, we need a comprehensive concordance to put the Bible in topical order or by subject arrangement.
Gospel writer Luke forewarned at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 that after the end of the first century apostate Christianity was already forming. That apostasy ( Christendom meaning so-called Christian but mostly in name only ) would grow even to our day or time frame. Genuine ' wheat ' Christians would grow along with the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians until the Harvest Time, or when Jesus would separate the genuine from the false. That separating time of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 is nearing. So, it should Not surprise anyone to see different teachings promoted. Comparing church tradition, church customs, with Scripture exposes the true from the false.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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URAVIP2ME said:
I find gospel writer John wrote at Revelation 3:14; 1:5 that the pre-human Jesus was the beginning of the creation by God. That makes God: the Father and Creator of the pre-human heavenly Jesus before God sent Jesus to Earth.
In other words, God had No beginning, so pre-human Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
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It is controversial as to who wrote "Revelation", the gospels were anonymous, only given the names they have to gain some credibility.
Right, please?

Regards
 
Hockeycowboy

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
Therefore, for all i know, it could be them who were listening to the spirit of God, and you who rebels against God
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Yes, there are sooo many different pov's (points of view), aren't there?

So how could a person tell?
As Jesus said..."by their fruits you will recognize them (the good and the bad)." -- Matthew 7:20.

See John 13:35

The saying goes, "actions speak louder than words."
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
I find the Bible is Not written in ABC order as a dictionary is.
So, we need a comprehensive concordance to put the Bible in topical order or by subject arrangement.
Gospel writer Luke forewarned at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 that after the end of the first century apostate Christianity was already forming. That apostasy ( Christendom meaning so-called Christian but mostly in name only ) would grow even to our day or time frame. Genuine ' wheat ' Christians would grow along with the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians until the Harvest Time, or when Jesus would separate the genuine from the false. That separating time of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 is nearing. So, it should Not surprise anyone to see different teachings promoted. Comparing church tradition, church customs, with Scripture exposes the true from the false.
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No,
You claim you have the correct interpretation while Church Fathers, Church doctors, and Saints, all had it wrong, every Church on Earth had it wrong century after century.

But you have it right! That's PRIDE! PRIDE! PRIDE!

You know you have the truth, just like the Pope knows he has the truth, just like a Muslim knows they have the truth.

You don't know! Your pride just tells you that you are so special, and the vast majority of Christians are mistaken.

You clearly have a lot of pride and self-righteousness! :rolleyes:
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
PopeADope said:
Not true, for many centuries, every christian church on Earth preached a different set of Doctrines and Theology than ive seen you promote.
Therefore, for all i know, it could be them who were listening to the spirit of God, and you who rebels against God, and preaches heresy to cause others to stumble into error and confusion! ;)
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Since I find the writing of Scripture ended by the end of the 1st century, then the apostasy that followed for 'many centuries' has No bearing of the 1st-century teachings of Jesus as recorded in Scripture.
Teaching what is ' beyond ' Scripture is what is heresy.
As Jesus warned at Matthew 15:9 that such customs, or church traditions, is worthless worship.
The ' spirit of God ' is found between the pages of Genesis to Revelation. Not in apocryphal books.
Remember: Jesus forewarned us that genuine ' wheat ' Christians would grow together with fake ' weed/tares ' Christians until the Harvest Time. As we know a harvest comes at the end of a growing season.
We are at that ' harvest time ' or nearing the coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
And it will be just as Jesus said at Matthew 7:21-23 that MANY would ' come in his name ' but prove false.
This is Not pride or self-righteousness, but just what we can learn from the Bible.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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paarsurrey said:
It is controversial as to who wrote "Revelation", the gospels were anonymous, only given the names they have to gain some credibility.
Right, please?
Regards
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I find that according to Revelation 1:1 Not anonymous but that gospel writer given name John wrote Revelation.
As with the rest of Scripture, Revelation has corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses, thus showing the internal harmony among the Bible's many different writers.
 
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