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Can gays or bisexuals be Christian?

sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
URAVIP2ME said:
I find Christian or biblical marriage is only between male and female according to Genesis 2:23-24; Matthew 19:4-6.
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What *you* find is unimportant. Because, according to what I gather about your epistemology from your post is that “biblical marriage” also consists of having to marry your rapist, having to marry your widowed sister-in-Law, and getting stoned for adultery.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
URAVIP2ME said:
What is the sin is the -> practice of fornication.
Anyone single is Not to be sexually active.
Biblical marriage is only between male and female.
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Your definition of “biblical” marriage is based on false standards. You can’t misuse the Bible to force ancient, Eastern cultural norms upon modern, Western society. Otherwise, women would be chattel and we would be slave holders.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
URAVIP2ME said:
No, Not agreed because marriage is Not just for the purpose of making babies.
Metaphorically speaking we should ' cut out ' of one's life style what is un-scriptural.
God's judgement standards are already recorded in Scripture for all to see.
Also, we are Not to personally judge others as to impute a bad or wrong motive to them.
We do Not judge who are going to be the figurative humble ' sheep ' or haughty 'goats ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
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your interpretation of Matthew is lacking. It’s skewing your theological base.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Unveiled Artist said:
Sin is sexual promiscurity: rape, incest, unnatural intercourse, etc. Thats explicitedly in scripture. Homosexual behavior is a sin according to scripture. The orientation is not.
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And what does that mean: “according to scripture?” Does that mean that scriptural sayings are absolutes that are irrefutable? Is what was sin in the ancient Near East necessarily sin here and now? Jesus refuted scripture a lot when it didnt jibe with the law of love.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Unveiled Artist said:
Where does it say in the NT that the act is not a sin?

Not love. A murderer who does so out of love is not excluded. Homosexual acts are put in the same caregory.

Has nothing to do with the heart and love.

1. Sins are for all believers not some

2. Sex prostitution is a sin (paid sex). Love has nothing to do with it.

3. Where does it say the acts are not a sin?
The gospel are jesus words
Zues???

4. The actions are a sin not the heart

5. What can come out that never came in first?

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Are these “Jesus’ words?” How do you know? Do you know WHY it’s a sin in the Bible? Does that matter? What if the cultural norms that made it a sin are no longer in place?
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Unveiled Artist said:
Dont think you get it.

1. Sex (promiscuity: rape, same-sex sex, abuse, fornification, sex outside mariage) are sins.

2. It has to do with knowing you sin (not ignorance) to be classified as a sin punished by god

3. The bible does not correlate homosexuality (same sex sex in bible definition) with love nor heart at all

4. Jesus is gods son. He is also innocent. Sin is when you Act in disobedience to god not that an innocent person is accused

5. Not according to scripture. It is very clear.

a. Sex (male/female intercourse) is a sin outside mirriage
b. Those who gave up "normal sex" did so as promiscuity actions
c. Therefore, it is a sin

There is no love in same-sex acts in the bible
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#3 is where you’re going askew. The Bible didn’t correlate them because the writers were ignorant as to the nature of human sexuality. Just as they were ignorant as to the shape and composition of the earth and sky in Genesis, and we’re wrong about that.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Unveiled Artist said:
Like all books, we dont need to be specialists to understand what books say. Spiritual books are not excluded
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Yeah, you really do need to be a specialist in order to understand what the Bible says. Because you’re reading a translation across cultures. We rely on specialists all the time in order to understand the Bible. Your statement to the contrary is your testimony that your opinions should be given no weight in this regard.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
kjw47 said:
1Corinthians 6:9-11--a list of unacceptable sins--As one sees the true followers mentioned stopped doing those sins. Sex out of marriage is not forgiven unless stopped fully. It makes the statement-- that is what some of you were= past tense. They dont do those sins now.
Galations 5:19-21 is another list--Both spots teach---Will NOT enter Gods kingdom if one continues in those sins. Yet most on earth live in them daily.
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You’re arguing cultural bias and not moral directive.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
sojourner said:
And what does that mean: “according to scripture?” Does that mean that scriptural sayings are absolutes that are irrefutable? Is what was sin in the ancient Near East necessarily sin here and now? Jesus refuted scripture a lot when it didnt jibe with the law of love.
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It means literally written in scripture
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
sojourner said:
Are these “Jesus’ words?” How do you know? Do you know WHY it’s a sin in the Bible? Does that matter? What if the cultural norms that made it a sin are no longer in place?
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It is what it is. Same as jewish tradition. Unless you are saying the biblical message is obstolete today?
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
sojourner said:
Yeah, you really do need to be a specialist in order to understand what the Bible says. Because you’re reading a translation across cultures. We rely on specialists all the time in order to understand the Bible. Your statement to the contrary is your testimony that your opinions should be given no weight in this regard.
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No one is a specialist to the bible. As a historical, some. Spiritual, no. Thats ego
 
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