Does God FORGET???

20 Because God does not CHANGE!
God forgives. Based on His "legal" payment

And Since Omniscience is a quality of Him that does not change, thats why!
Paid-for sin duzn't deserve to be either known or remembered.
Thas why

You are molding God into your own image.
God's better at forgetting than i, whom He made in His image (Gen 1:26-27)

writer said:

Should read: there was also a simple question of logic.

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I wasn't born in the U.S!

writer said:

Because God does not CHANGE!
God forgives. Based on His "legal" payment

And Since Omniscience is a quality of Him that does not change, thats why!
Paid-for sin doesn't deserve to be either known, or remembered.
That's why

You are molding God into your own image.
He's better at forgetting than i

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Paid-for sin doesn't deserve to be either known, or remembered doesn't change Gods unchangeable nature of Omnsicience.

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PetShopBoy88 said:

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You have a fine future as a technical writer.

I just hope "writer" figures out that he's the person you're aiming the lessons at.

Genna said:

"writer" seems to be the only one who does not agree with this....

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That just depends on which personality he's using at the time.

Genna said:

Why would I assume its literal forgetting? because 9 out of 10 christians including LDS said so.

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People have been known to misunderstand texts before. Just because someone tells you "it has to mean such and such" doesn't mean it actually does.

I certainly don't reject religious tradition as useless, but there are times when tradition gets in the way of actual understanding.

Sometimes it's best to just read the text yourself and try to figure out what it means, and leave behind others assumptions of what it "has to mean."

Well, that's been my experience, anyway.

ymmv

writer said:

the bible...It has been changed and alterred too many times.
Then maybe, it'd seem: you'd be able to name once

It's also in human words,
What book isn't?

the writing is a style that we don't use anymore.
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When was the last time you said, "Thou shalt not put your feet on my couch!"
In 1611?
Was this comment meant to suggest that the Bible's not the Bible unless written in Shakespeare-time English?

When the bible says "I will remember no more" it means that God will act as if you never sinned. You are forgiven.
Actually, it means what it says.
Why can't God forget (sins)?
Because omniscient genna suggests He can't?

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Name once that the bible was changed? Okay, how about my favorite. The name Lucifer appears once in the bible in the book of Isaiah which was written in Hebrew. But Lucifer is a latin word. The original text reads "How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning".

Genna said:

Because God does not CHANGE! And Since Omniscience is a quality of Him that does not change, thats why! You are molding God into your own image.

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I disagree that God does not change. When an artist paints something never seen before God absorbs it into His memory. It becomes a part of Him. When a musician writes a new song, when a new car is designed, airplane, or a newborn baby laughs.

That's part of the reason why we are here.

Super Universe said:

I disagree that God does not change. When an artist paints something never seen before God absorbs it into His memory. It becomes a part of Him. When a musician writes a new song, when a new car is designed, airplane, or a newborn baby laughs.

That's part of the reason why we are here.

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Do you agree with thess sections of scripture?

Malachi 3:6 - For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Isaiah 46:10 - Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Heya Genna,

Genna said:

I don't want some to feel as if I am attacking Christianity, I am here to learn religion.

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You might be interested to know that there have been many well known philosophers who have asked and subsequently tried to tackle the problems you have posed and yet are generally considered to be Christians, themselves.

However, even they have been accused of attacking their own religion. Some people will simply always interpret sceptical enquiry as an attack on their faith.

According to the immutable nature of God, He is OMNISCIENT and thus knows all things, this is a nature of God which cannot be altered in any way according to many Christians.

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What you discuss here is a part of one of my favorite topics in philosophy: the nature of a deity. Your argument is perfectly correct, God cannot be omniscient and not know something and forgetting implies that at least one thing becomes not known. Also, you are correct in saying that if God were to forget something, this would conflict with his attribute of immutability since it would imply a change in his mind.

I have no idea how many Christians interpret those verses in the way that you have. I know that I do not and from the comments of Becky, it does not appear that she does either. Surely that is clear evidence that it is perfectly possible for a Christian to interpret these passages in a more casual way and avoid the contradiction you have pointed out?

Another way of avoiding the consequences of your argument would be to suggest that God is omnipotent. Therefore, he must be able to forget something and remain omniscient despite the logical contradiction since an omnipotent deity would not be bounded by logic. Additionally, I think the majority of people who would interpret those verses in the way that you have would also accept this attribute.

Genna said:

I don't want some to feel as if I am attacking Christianity, I am here to learn religion. According to the immutable nature of God, He is OMNISCIENT and thus knows all things, this is a nature of God which cannot be altered in any way according to many Christians. For example "all things are possible with God," however God's immutable nature says that He CANNOT LIE, therefore lying is IMPOSSIBLE for God because of His immutable nature. Since Omniscience is one of Gods immutable attiributes, can someone please explain how the God of Christianity FORGETS?

Hebrews 8:12 - For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:17 - And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Jeremiah 31:34 - And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Psalms 103:12 - As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Micah 7:19: “He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.”

hmmm...

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The truth is because it is not a god at all, it self proclaimed that it was but there is no proof of its OMNISCIENT. I appears to be an old non physical presence that clings on humanity to learn. People might say the passage refers to its forgiveness. In reality no one knows unless you are the one who wrote the passage. My answer is because it is no god at all so it forgets, it doesn't really care about humanity, it cares about learning from humanity.

Super Universe said:

I don't believe that God has ever been involved with humans, visited the earth, spoke to anyone, punished anyone, except for when He said "This is my Son and with Him I am well pleased."

All revelation comes from the angels or the Son of God.

For those who believe the bible is God's exact word then explain the biggest change of all, the evolution from the Old Testament's "an eye for an eye" to the New Testament's idea of "forgiveness".

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Jesus was born, lived, crucified and resurrected to offer us all a gift that had not yet been given before....the gift of salvation. He was the Savior that had been foretold in the Old Testament. He was and is the bridge that destroys the gap between us and God. I know how incomprehensible it may seem to some, but Jesus was God in human form. And He spoke the words of a loving God. Again, He came to offer forgiveness. So, why or how could He not teach forgiveness? His mission was to save the souls of the lost ...then, now and forever.
Also, the "evolution" from an eye for an eye to forgiveness actually took place through Christ's actions as well as His words. Remember the story of Jesus stopping a woman from being stoned to death? He stopped them by saying, "Those of you who are without sin, cast the first stone." There was really no "evolution" about it. It was more of a radical, in your face, bold shift in attitude and thinking!

AllisonW70 said:

Jesus was born, lived, crucified and resurrected to offer us all a gift that had not yet been given before....the gift of salvation. He was the Savior that had been foretold in the Old Testament. He was and is the bridge that destroys the gap between us and God. I know how incomprehensible it may seem to some, but Jesus was God in human form. And He spoke the words of a loving God. Again, He came to offer forgiveness. So, why or how could He not teach forgiveness? His mission was to save the souls of the lost ...then, now and forever.
Also, the "evolution" from an eye for an eye to forgiveness actually took place through Christ's actions as well as His words. Remember the story of Jesus stopping a woman from being stoned to death? He stopped them by saying, "Those of you who are without sin, cast the first stone." There was really no "evolution" about it. It was more of a radical, in your face, bold shift in attitude and thinking!

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Salvation not been given before? Wrong! God's children have always had salvation available. The Son of the Creator does not change what His Father has already given.

Jesus was not God. The Son does not make this claim. He preached about His Father. Why do you believe He lied? There is only one God.

Jesus stopped the woman from being stoned to death and preached forgiveness, not because there was a bold shift in attitude and thinking from God or His Son but because forgiveness is the truth and always has been.

God never punished anyone, He never tempted, He did not create the devil, and regardless of what the bible, the pope, or any church preaches, God does not kill. There is no greater blasphemy than to believe this.

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Salvation not been given before? Wrong! God's children have always had salvation available. The Son of the Creator does not change what His Father has already given.

Jesus was not God. The Son does not make this claim. He preached about His Father. Why do you believe He lied? There is only one God.

Jesus stopped the woman from being stoned to death and preached forgiveness, not because there was a bold shift in attitude and thinking from God or His Son but because forgiveness is the truth and always has been.

God never punished anyone, He never tempted, He did not create the devil, and regardless of what the bible, the pope, or any church preaches, God does not kill. There is no greater blasphemy than to believe this.

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Yes, yes, yes and yes!:yes:

What was the question?

Genna said:

Why would I assume its literal forgetting? because 9 out of 10 christians including LDS said so.

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I understand your frustration with orthodox theology as I myself was a Christian of the popular creed for many years but found that God was slowly opening up my understanding and is still giving me knowledge concerning the greater hope which is the final restoration of all created beings.
The truth concerning this issue and many more is that it is a relative statement from God to His creation. He is relating to them in a way they can understand. He will forgive and it will be as if they have never sinned so He will forgive in an absolute sense but forget in a relative sense. This is the problem with the understanding of the popular creed, they believe they are rightly dividing the word of truth as stated in scripture but they accept everything in it as literal and continue to give the relative more precedence over the absolute. This is truly not rightly diving the word of truth.
I will give you an example of understanding the relative vs the absolute...
We are told in scripture "choose today whom you will serve" while in another part of scripture we are told "you do not choose me but I have chosen you". So which is it? Is this a contradiction? The popular creed once agin gives more precedent to the relative and have developed the idle of the heart freewill of mankind. The truth is that when God says "choose today whom you will serve" He is stating the relative. He is relating to man. It is God who places every little thing in out life that ultimately guides us to Him and this is how He chooses us. Now the relative is based on the fact that as far as mankind sees "they are choosing Him. They are unaware of all the little things placed in their life that ultimately draw us to Him.
This is just good old cause and effect which God uses in the lives of His elect. Because He has decided not to choose some (at this time) does not mean He has forgotten them or ever will. They as well are in His plan. It is all of God Freewill is an idle of the heart and above all a false doctrine that is not scriptural one little bit.

God Bless, Dave

Perhaps God in his prescience knew who would choose to serve him, that way free-will and Gods sovereignty to choose whomever he will do not conflict with each other, do you agree?

Fluffy said:

Another way of avoiding the consequences of your argument would be to suggest that God is omnipotent. Therefore, he must be able to forget something and remain omniscient despite the logical contradiction since an omnipotent deity would not be bounded by logic. Additionally, I think the majority of people who would interpret those verses in the way that you have would also accept this attribute.

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I understand, but there are some things God cannot do regardless of his omnipotence. The bible says that it is IMPOSSIBLE God to LIE, does this mean that he is not omnipotent?

Hebrews 6:18 - That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

Correct me if I am wrong, but it may not be a matter of God being bound by logic, but rather his immutable attributes as not being able to lie and knowing all things.