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Can gays or bisexuals be Christian?

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
When it comes to sexuality a coin with heads or tails is not a good analogy. A spectrum is more apt, though people do seem to be concentrated at the ends of it. The few people "cured" by conversion therapy were probably somewhere in the middle.
Either that, or forcing themselves to live a lie for Jesus, and wrestling with self-imposed guilt forever, which is unhealthy (and unfair to their spouse).
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Fair enough. And let the married ones only have sex to make babies. Agreed? We should desire God above all. Not desire sex.
Then pluck out your eye if you look once with desire at another woman. Not from today, but also check back in the past.
Those who still can see now, maybe they are pure enough to judge. Oh wait, probably they are pure enough "not to judge"
No, Not agreed because marriage is Not just for the purpose of making babies.
Metaphorically speaking we should ' cut out ' of one's life style what is un-scriptural.
God's judgement standards are already recorded in Scripture for all to see.
Also, we are Not to personally judge others as to impute a bad or wrong motive to them.
We do Not judge who are going to be the figurative humble ' sheep ' or haughty 'goats ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
jesus didn't teach this. he never once uses such a word.
I find at Matthew 19:9; Matthew 5:32 Jesus used the word ' porneia ' translated into KJV English as Fornication.
So, what is outside of the bonds of biblical marriage is being sexually immoral.- Matthew 15:19.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
I find Christian or biblical marriage is only between male and female according to Genesis 2:23-24; Matthew 19:4-6.


Do you also practice avoidance of wearing mixed fabrics? Avoid eating pork? Avoid doing any traveling or work on Saturday?

If not? You are in no position to be a Judge of anything.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Do you also practice avoidance of wearing mixed fabrics? Avoid eating pork? Avoid doing any traveling or work on Saturday?
If not? You are in no position to be a Judge of anything.

Since the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law contract was only for one nation being the ancient nation of ancient Israel, then we are Not under that law, or as Romans 10:4 says Jesus is the end of that Law.

I find Jesus' judgement is found at John 13:34-35 which is to have the same 'self-sacrificing love' for others as Jesus has. That self-sacrificing love is the hallmark which to live by for everyone, for every nation.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Since the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law contract was only for one nation being the ancient nation of ancient Israel, then we are Not under that law, or as Romans 10:4 says Jesus is the end of that Law.

I find Jesus' judgement is found at John 13:34-35 which is to have the same 'self-sacrificing love' for others as Jesus has. That self-sacrificing love is the hallmark which to live by for everyone, for every nation.

And you think that gays getting married affects you.... how, exactly?

You think that two people who choose to share their lives, to self-sacrifice for one another, in love, is not the very essence of what Jesus was trying to say?

Tell me again about this … ahem... "love" you are selling?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What is the sin is the -> practice of fornication.
Anyone single is Not to be sexually active.
Biblical marriage is only between male and female.

Sin is sexual promiscurity: rape, incest, unnatural intercourse, etc. Thats explicitedly in scripture. Homosexual behavior is a sin according to scripture. The orientation is not.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I find at Matthew 19:9; Matthew 5:32 Jesus used the word ' porneia ' translated into KJV English as Fornication.
So, what is outside of the bonds of biblical marriage is being sexually immoral.- Matthew 15:19.
again a reference to idolatry. the prostitutes are entering the kingdom ahead of ..................the self-righteous


harlotry and fornication, or adultery, aren't synonyms even in the hebrew language.

in ancient times women were nothing more than chattel; when a female was put away with a writ of divorce she basically became an outcast of society. she was polluted. no other man would have her except as a prostitute. she had no recourse because men in that culture didn't do business with women; except for one thing, trying to have sex.
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Sin is sexual promiscurity: rape, incest, unnatural intercourse, etc. Thats explicitedly in scripture. Homosexual behavior is a sin according to scripture. The orientation is not.

actually same sex love isn't a sin. love can never be a sin. the act of love is a sacrament

Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

and

1 Peter 4:8
8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I find Christian or biblical marriage is only between male and female according to Genesis 2:23-24; Matthew 19:4-6.

the word marriage isn't used until genesis chapter 34; obviously in the christian perspective fornication was going on before that?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
actually same sex love isn't a sin. love can never be a sin. the act of love is a sacrament

Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

and

1 Peter 4:8
8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

The act is a sin. The intention is not.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The act is a sin. The intention is not.

no the act is a levitical mandate for levites. it isn't a sin where love is concerned. even heterosexual sex is considered unclean for a levite.

a prostitute knows the difference between love and sex.

for most christians homosexuality and abortion are major issues. strangely enough for jesus they were not. paul is another story. in most cultures, homosexuality isn't a sin. case in point, odin and zeus.

and as to intention jesus expressly commented on it

Matthew 9:4
And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

it isn't what goes into a person that defiles them, it is what comes out of them. clean the cup and the outside will be clean too.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
no the act is a levitical mandate for levites. it isn't a sin where love is concerned. even heterosexual sex is considered unclean for a levite.

a prostitute knows the difference between love and sex.

for most christians homosexuality and abortion are major issues. strangely enough for jesus they were not. paul is another story. in most cultures, homosexuality isn't a sin. case in point, odin and zeus.

and as to intention jesus expressly commented on it

Matthew 9:4
And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

it isn't what goes into a person that defiles them, it is what comes out of them. clean the cup and the outside will be clean too.


Where does it say in the NT that the act is not a sin?

Not love. A murderer who does so out of love is not excluded. Homosexual acts are put in the same caregory.

Has nothing to do with the heart and love.

1. Sins are for all believers not some

2. Sex prostitution is a sin (paid sex). Love has nothing to do with it.

3. Where does it say the acts are not a sin?
The gospel are jesus words
Zues???

4. The actions are a sin not the heart

5. What can come out that never came in first?

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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Where does it say in the NT that the act is not a sin?

a better question is where in the new testament does jesus say it's a sin?

sin is based on two things and two things only.



1. error because of ignorance of the law. ignorance of the law is not an excuse for the law.
2. willful wrong knowing that it is wrong.


Not love. A murderer who does so out of love is not excluded. Homosexual acts are put in the same caregory.
people who murder aren't loving. love does no harm

Has nothing to do with the heart and love.
has to do with intent. just like belief without question leads to delusion. like the blind leading the blind. one thing follows another as a reaction to the action that proceeded it.

1. Sins are for all believers not some
jesus was accused of sin for breaking the sabbath. the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath.

service is always to self or to other as self. man is more than the sabbath, food, et al...



2. Sex prostitution is a sin (paid sex). Love has nothing to do with it.
love is having sex with someone you care about when you don't feel like it. love is doing something for another when you're tired, disinterested in the act but not the one you love. the prostitutes were entering the kingdom of heaven before the self-righteous. what god has joined together between two let no man put asunder. friendship literally meant conjugal love at one time.


3. Where does it say the acts are not a sin?
jesus reiterates over and over that love is the law.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
In the bible yes it is. Its context as well. Its not an isolated situation.

In the bible non marital sex is not love

We are talking about the bible
sorry but jesus teaching contradict some of the OT. he says he came to resturn the lost sheep. obviously the sheep didn't believe they were lost, or in danger. jesus is never at odds with the thieves, the prostitutes, the poor, the disenfranchised. he's always at odds with the rich, the self-righteous, the powerful. why? simple, love makes all things equal, just as the name makes all things equal in that i am that i am.

Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain.

sheeple desire material things, power, prestige, wealth, et al........


 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
a better question is where in the new testament does jesus say it's a sin?

sin is based on two things and two things only.



1. error because of ignorance of the law. ignorance of the law is not an excuse for the law.
2. willful wrong knowing that it is wrong.


people who murder aren't loving. love does no harm

has to do with intent. just like belief without question leads to delusion. like the blind leading the blind. one thing follows another as a reaction to the action that proceeded it.

jesus was accused of sin for breaking the sabbath. the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath.

service is always to self or to other as self. man is more than the sabbath, food, et al...



love is having sex with someone you care about when you don't feel like it. love is doing something for another when you're tired, disinterested in the act but not the one you love. the prostitutes were entering the kingdom of heaven before the self-righteous. what god has joined together between two let no man put asunder. friendship literally meant conjugal love at one time.


jesus reiterates over and over that love is the law.


Dont think you get it.

1. Sex (promiscuity: rape, same-sex sex, abuse, fornification, sex outside mariage) are sins.

2. It has to do with knowing you sin (not ignorance) to be classified as a sin punished by god

3. The bible does not correlate homosexuality (same sex sex in bible definition) with love nor heart at all

4. Jesus is gods son. He is also innocent. Sin is when you Act in disobedience to god not that an innocent person is accused

5. Not according to scripture. It is very clear.

a. Sex (male/female intercourse) is a sin outside mirriage
b. Those who gave up "normal sex" did so as promiscuity actions
c. Therefore, it is a sin

There is no love in same-sex acts in the bible
 
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