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Are Evangelicals Judases
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74x12
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Jesus is the great King. His kingdom is not of this world. I really don't see the logic in what you're saying.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Not Judases. Pharisees, maybe.
74x12
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Alright of course according to Jesus there is a leaven of the pharisees and Sadducee. Anyone can have this leaven whether they call themselves an Evangelical or a Catholic. This is why Jesus said to beware the leaven. So it's more of an individual thing.
thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
For many of President Trump’s evangelical supporters this is a key step in the progression of events leading to the second coming of Jesus. There’s an interesting story as to how that came to be.
Ushering in the kingdom of God
The nation of Israel and the role of the city of Jerusalem are central in the “end-times” theology – a form of what is known as “pre-millennialism” – embraced by many American conservative Protestants.
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74x12
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When we pray this we pray for the kingdom of heaven to be on the earth. That is we pray for the reign of Christ within us. (Luke 17:21) Where the will of God is there the throne is and the law proceeds from the throne instead of intermediaries. Moses was a messenger of God. He was an intermediary but when the King comes to the throne then the Law proceeds directly from the throne. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
When the throne of Christ is in someone's heart then the River of Life flows from the throne. (Revelation 22:1)
This is the new thing that God would do. (Isaiah 43:19)
God wants to make our desert a garden of Eden. (Isaiah 51:3)
The River of the Life, the holy Spirit is the Law of the new Covenant. (Isaiah 51:4)
How do we know we obey the Law? By bearing the fruit of the Spirit. (Galatians 5:22-23)
So that we may bear fruit of righteousness which is the tree of Life in the midst of our garden of Eden. (Proverbs 11:30)
Whoever eats from the tree of Life will live forever. (Genesis 3:22)
looks like you've found the smaragdine stone.
the kingdom of god has been established in its rightful place and not some other, i am that i am.
the fourth chakra is the heart and the color is green.
Revelation 2:17 [Full Chapter]
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Ezekiel 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
with love comes light
behold the river of life
Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.
the cherubim guards the way to the tree of life
narcissus reflects from plato's allegory of the cave and the republic.
And suppose once more, that he is reluctantly dragged up a steep and rugged ascent, and held fast until he 's forced into the presence of the sun himself, is he not likely to be pained and irritated? When he approaches the light his eyes will be dazzled, and he will not be able to see anything at all of what are now called realities.
Not all in a moment, he said.
He will require to grow accustomed to the sight of the upper world. And first he will see the shadows best, next the reflections of men and other objects in the water, and then the objects themselves; then he will gaze upon the light of the moon and the stars and the spangled heaven; and he will see the sky and the stars by night better than the sun or the light of the sun by day?
Certainly.
Last of he will be able to see the sun, and not mere reflections of him in the water, but he will see him in his own proper place, and not in another; and he will contemplate him as he is.
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exchemist
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Whut?looks like you've found the smaragdine stone.
the kingdom of god has been established in its rightful place and not some other, i am that i am.
Revelation 2:17 [Full Chapter]
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Ezekiel 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
with love comes light
behold the river of life
Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.
the cherubim guards the way to the tree of life
Evangelical leaders strike me as more like Pharisees than Judases. They'd be the first to attack Jesus if he ever came back --- especially as a woman, a Black, a liberal, or as "the least among us", to name just a few of the categories they despise.
As for the followers, I don't know. I suspect most of them would step in right behind their leaders -- not because they're as bad as their leaders, but because that's just human nature.
As for the followers, I don't know. I suspect most of them would step in right behind their leaders -- not because they're as bad as their leaders, but because that's just human nature.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Just look at today's Republican party!
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
To quote Georg von Frundsberg
"Viel Feind', viel Ehr'!" / The more enemies, the more honour.
So thanks guys!
To quote an old Lakota saying, "Chose your enemies wisely, because you become like them."
I'll never allow myself to think of you as my enemy.
Didache 1.1-6 (circa. 50-80 A.D.) perhaps the earliest post-biblical Christian teaching - indisputably the oldest extant written catechism - and part of my church's Apostolic Fathers collection (i.e. the Sacred Tradition I always bang on about!):
The Lord’s Teaching to the Gentiles by the Twelve Apostles:
What these maxims [of Jesus] teach is this: You must love those who hate you and then you will have no enemies
I am in concurrence with @Armoured and @Sunstone regarding the better comparison that can be drawn between the Evangelical leadership and the Pharisees or Sadducees, as opposed to Judas.
They are less "betrayers" of Christ than they are de facto opponents of his ethical system (as we can reconstruct it from the gospels and other early extra-canon literature), and proclaimers of a faux religiosity, which has become ever more distant from the high standard of charity and humanity demanded by the 'law of liberty' in the New Testament.
When I read Jesus's denunciation of the Pharisees' proselytizing behaviour,
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cross sea and land to make a single convert, and you make the new convert twice as much a child of hell as yourselves. Woe to you, blind guides." (Matt 23:15-16)....it reminds me a little of....ahem.
As for the followers, many are obviously well-meaning and pious believers in Christianity, who are striving to lead morally upstanding lives and make the world a better place. It's just a pity that a lot of them seem to listen to their pastors and vote for politicians who are anything but animated by the spirit of Jesus.
And what is that spirit? The Epistula Apostolorum (140 - 150 A.D.), described by the scholar Ron Cameron as "a fine piece of Catholic Christian polemics", references an alleged agraphon (extra-biblical teaching) of Jesus:
The Epistula Apostolorum: Epistle of the Apostles
And Jesus said unto us: Verily I say unto you, that I have obtained the whole power of my Father, that I may bring back into light them that dwell in darkness...and that I may loose them that are in fetters.
[For] I am the hope for them that are in despair, the helper of them that are helpless, the treasure of the poor, the doctor of the sick, and the resurrection of the dead.
[For] I am the hope for them that are in despair, the helper of them that are helpless, the treasure of the poor, the doctor of the sick, and the resurrection of the dead.
To be the liberator of those in chains - whether meant physicallly, spiritually or in terms of those imprisoned by social exclusion, discrimination or prejudice - the hope of the desperate, the helper of the helpless, the patron of the needy and the carer of the ill....anything which deviates from this is not the spirit of Christ.
I guess I can only label it "Anti-Christ".
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Rational Agnostic
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What?
Flankerl
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Did I say I have made Pharisees my enemy? Or even Evangelicals, for that matter?
For that matter, have I judged the actual Pharisees bad? Or have I just alluded to the common understanding of the role they had in Jesus's death?
Profoundly disagreeing with the views expressed by a group of people and/or their apparent failure to live up to the ideals of their professed creed, does not mean that a person deems those people to be "enemies".
And @Sunstone did not say that they were Pharisees, nor did he wholesale impugn historical Pharisaism as a movement. He simply drew a comparison between Jesus's sharp disagreement with Pharisees who failed to live up to their own ideals and some modern Evangelical leaders.
I think there's far too much "You're my enemy if you breathe out of the wrong nostril" nonsense today anyway.
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Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Well, when you're talking to someone who thinks shooting civilian medics in crowd control situations is a good and necessary thing, I guess you have to expect a bit of false dichotomous "either with us or against us" thinking.