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Can gays or bisexuals be Christian?

Mox

Mox

Dr Green Fingers
nPeace said:
For example, a drug addict may take time to get over a bad habit, but when they work at it, in time with God's help, they can overcome the temptation to give in, and they may get to a point where their wrong desire is suppressed.
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What has this got to do with homosexuality though?
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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Nothing stops a gay person from believing that Jesus is his lord and saviour.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
nPeace said:
The question in the OP asks:
Can gays or bisexuals be Christian?
Is this really asking, can a person who is sexually attracted to both males and females be Christian?
Isn't the answer a resounding 'No'?

A Christian is a follower of Christ - One who follows his example, and teachings.
So in order to be a Christian, one must be applying the teaching of Christ in one's life.

It sometimes take time for one to do this, based on his/her/it background.
For example, a drug addict may take time to get over a bad habit, but when they work at it, in time with God's help, they can overcome the temptation to give in, and they may get to a point where their wrong desire is suppressed.

When that person reaches a reasonable point in their progress - then they can become a Christian, because they have repented and made a resolve in their hearts to do God's will.

Of course, no one changes overnight, so there must be a way to help the person to change their thinking. Learning of God's ways will help in that regard... according to the scriptures.
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Jesus never said anything about homosexuality so the answer is not a resounding "No". If anything he was against adultery, in other words he wanted people to be true to the one that they were with. A gay person can't do that with a female. Better to marry a gay person that he loves.

Try to use an appropriate analogy. A person is not born a drug addict. One becomes one through a series of bad choices.
 
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Mox

Mox

Dr Green Fingers
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
It's not a question of choice. The Bible condemns homosexuality, along with adultery, pederasty, catamites, bestiality, drunkenness, drug use, lying, stealing, murdering, kidnapping, witchcraft, sorcery, astrology, and things of that nature. If you like doing those things, and I used to like doing a number of them, then in order to follow Christ, to gain the possibility to live forever in paradise Earth as Adam was intended to do, without sickness, disease, or old age. Violence, crime, etc. Then you have to stop doing all of those things.
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Interesting.

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
If anyone tells you different, they are wrong, I'm afraid, no matter how wonderful it may sound. I don't say this to be mean, I don't say this because I'm homophobic. I say it because the Bible makes it clear. You have to decide which is more important. Those things or following Jesus.
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No you are quite wrong.

The Bible is far from clear about a great many things and if you followed all the so called biblical laws of the OT, you would have to observe the following or accept at least they are God's laws like any other. Which you would/do not, presumably.

NO MIXED FABRIC CLOTHING OR CROSS BREEDING CATTLE!
"Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." Leviticus 19:19

SLAVES, BEHAVE!
''Slaves obey your masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them as sincerely as you would serve Christ'' Ephesians 6:5

ITS OK TO HAVE PEOPLE STONE YOUR KIDS TO DEATH
''If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.'' Deuteronomy 21:18-21

NO DISABLED OR DEFORMED PEOPLE PLEASE, YUCK.
''Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookback, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken ... He shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries''. Leviticus 21:17-23

There are other examples. I haven't got all day.

So anyway since words attributed to Jesus never specifically mention homosexuality, just basic cheaty sluttishness, I don't see why out of all the nonsense in the OT, you choose to pick on the so called immorality of homosexuality?

If Lot was such a paragon of holy virtue, that he was saved from the destruction that afflicted Sodom and Gommorah, why is it that noone suggests getting drunk, as he did, is an excuse for incest, which he took part in, twice, these days?

Maybe times change buddy. Wakey wakey.

In summary, I suggest moralising against homosexuality, suits your prejudices/insecurities. Has little to do with your devotion to God or commitment to the teachings of Christ, which by your judgement, you ignore.
 
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sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
It's not a question of choice. The Bible condemns homosexuality, along with adultery, pederasty, catamites, bestiality, drunkenness, drug use, lying, stealing, murdering, kidnapping, witchcraft, sorcery, astrology, and things of that nature. If you like doing those things, and I used to like doing a number of them, then in order to follow Christ, to gain the possibility to live forever in paradise Earth as Adam was intended to do, without sickness, disease, or old age. Violence, crime, etc. Then you have to stop doing all of those things.

If anyone tells you different, they are wrong, I'm afraid, no matter how wonderful it may sound. I don't say this to be mean, I don't say this because I'm homophobic. I say it because the Bible makes it clear. You have to decide which is more important. Those things or following Jesus.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about in this particular area. The Bible is far, far from “clear” on this issue. Far from “clear.” There is no term in the original languages that transliterates to “homosexual” as it is understood today. In fact, the ancients had no concept of homosexuality as a sexual orientation. Any of the (very few) passages ostensibly dealing with homosexuality are more likely dealing with either temple prostitution or the cultural issue of shame and honor as embedded in gender.

Homosexuals are welcome to be fully Christian, and are acceptable, as is, to God who created them as they are. I say this as a duly ordained Christian cleric with standing in a mainstream denomination, and as one who holds a graduate degree in biblical studies.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
YeshuaBought said:
So I have to be alone and miserable? That is your opinion. It is better to marry than to burn with passion. I love Yeshua, and both genders.
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No. You don’t. You can love and marry whom you wish and be perfectly fine spiritually.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
No, the Christian Greek scriptures made it clear that only some of the Laws of Moses were in effect to the Christian, including homosexuality, but rather than stoning to death the perpetrator was only removed from the congregation until repenting.
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That’s awfully convenient. I can’t think of a worse way to treat the Law or the teachings of Jesus. Just irresponsible.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Then you have nothing to worry about, so long as you marry the opposite sex and don't commit adultery, or fornication or steal, murder, etc. Even if you were homosexual and did that, or abstained from homosexual sex. Or anal and oral sex with even the same sex marriage partner. These are unnatural uses of the creator's gift of reproduction. (Romans 1:18-27 1 Corinthians 5:1)
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I call B.S.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
nPeace said:
1 Corinthians 6 - GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
9 Don’t you know that wicked people won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals, 10 or thieves, those who are greedy or drunk, who use abusive language, or who rob people will not inherit God’s kingdom. 11 That’s what some of you were! But you have been washed and made holy, and you have received God’s approval in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Stay Away from Sexual Sins
12 Someone may say, “I’m allowed to do anything,” but not everything is helpful. I’m allowed to do anything, but I won’t allow anything to gain control over my life. 13 Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food, but God will put an end to both of them. However, the body is not for sexual sin but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body. 14 God brought the Lord back to life, and by his power God will also bring us back to life.

15 Don’t you realize that your bodies are parts of Christ’s body? Should I take the parts of Christ’s body and make them parts of a prostitute’s body? That’s unthinkable! 16 Don’t you realize that the person who unites himself with a prostitute becomes one body with her? God says, “The two will be one.” 17 However, the person who unites himself with the Lord becomes one spirit with him.

18 Stay away from sexual sins. Other sins that people commit don’t affect their bodies the same way sexual sins do. People who sin sexually sin against their own bodies. 19 Don’t you know that your body is a temple that belongs to the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit, whom you received from God, lives in you. You don’t belong to yourselves. 20 You were bought for a price. So bring glory to God in the way you use your body.
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Yeah, crummy translation, and patently unhelpful to the conversation.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
URAVIP2ME said:
So, anyone who is single should Not fornicate.
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URAVIP2ME said:
So, anyone who is single can choose to be single as Jesus was.
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Uravip2me: If you are single and have no sex whatsoever you have the right to speak so. If you have sex, you better be mute IMHO.
Fair enough. And let the married ones only have sex to make babies. Agreed? We should desire God above all. Not desire sex.
Then pluck out your eye if you look once with desire at another woman. Not from today, but also check back in the past.
Those who still can see now, maybe they are pure enough to judge. Oh wait, probably they are pure enough "not to judge"
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
nPeace said:
The question in the OP asks:
Can gays or bisexuals be Christian?
Is this really asking, can a person who is sexually attracted to both males and females be Christian?
Isn't the answer a resounding 'No'?

A Christian is a follower of Christ - One who follows his example, and teachings.
So in order to be a Christian, one must be applying the teaching of Christ in one's life.

It sometimes take time for one to do this, based on his/her/it background.
For example, a drug addict may take time to get over a bad habit, but when they work at it, in time with God's help, they can overcome the temptation to give in, and they may get to a point where their wrong desire is suppressed.

When that person reaches a reasonable point in their progress - then they can become a Christian, because they have repented and made a resolve in their hearts to do God's will.

Of course, no one changes overnight, so there must be a way to help the person to change their thinking. Learning of God's ways will help in that regard... according to the scriptures.
Click to expand...
I wish people would stop being armchair theologians and priests. It’s damaging. I wouldn’t come to you for medical advice if you’re not a doctor. Why would I come to you for spiritual advice if you’re not accredited and ordained?
 
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