Oh you are talking about normals!!! Sad bunch actually and extremely poopular
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The Problem of Theism
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like the 7 chakras?
paarsurrey
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Not every Believer becomes in the image of G-d, only exemplary Believers are in the image of G-d:
Quran [4:70]
And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 4: Al-Nisa'
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I meant level of belief/understanding/enlightenment. Often we point to sky as if God resides there. OTOH, there is another level of certainty that all this is wrapped in and by God.
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paarsurrey
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What is a Chakra, please quote the Veda where these are mentioned, if at all, please?
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Desert Snake
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I believe that God, has a form. The aspect that doesn't have a form, like in some verses such as these, are not because God doesn't have a form, however because the no form, is an aspect of god, as well.
Aside from Jesus, which can be a separate argument.
Your arguments seem to be based around the idea, that god has no form; in the christian context, it seems some christians also believe, that the abba, in the nt, has no form, which isn't my belief.
Desert Snake
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The Greek language words that were translated as 'god', vary. So, in verses that might infer that no one had encountered god, or that god is unknown, or has no form, the Greek language word would need to be parsed for a literal definition, of that word.
If the original intent of those verses, is to mean that god, christian context, Abba, is 'invisible', all the time, or, has no form, then I would disagree with the text, in those instances.
That being said, there seems to be the inference, in the NT, that the Abba, has a form, hence that is an unlikely incongruence, in Scripture, in my opinion.
If the original intent of those verses, is to mean that god, christian context, Abba, is 'invisible', all the time, or, has no form, then I would disagree with the text, in those instances.
That being said, there seems to be the inference, in the NT, that the Abba, has a form, hence that is an unlikely incongruence, in Scripture, in my opinion.
Desert Snake
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There may be a parallel to the usage of 'god', with no form, and the Holy Spirit.
Note that Jesus incarnates via the Spirit.
Note that Jesus incarnates via the Spirit.
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Desert Snake
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I find it difficult to believe that Yochanan would ever write a verse, with the intent of meaning, that the Abba, either has no form, or was always 'invisible', or, was unknown, previous to Jesus incarnation.
Desert Snake
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Note that Jesus in Spirit form, is Himself, panentheistic, ie He is in more than one place, at one time. The rule to not portray the Abba, doesn't mean the Godhead, or, the Abba, doesn't have form, it means to not portray God, like other religions portray idols.
It seems as usual, perusing previous discussions, we are at the subject of whether Jesus is 'God'. So, Jesus is God, however not the only form, manifestation.
It seems as usual, perusing previous discussions, we are at the subject of whether Jesus is 'God'. So, Jesus is God, however not the only form, manifestation.
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Robert Landbeck
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If man was ever 'created in the image and likeness' of God, I have to suppose that I&L was lost in ancient times at the Fall and yet to be recovered. I remains implausible that the very concept of 'image and likeness' defies any clear definition. And if such a state of being was or is possible, it would require moral and spiritual characteristics unique to human nature as we know it. And there are no examples of such, that can be described or demonstrated with precision. So I&L remains not more than wishful thinking. A nice idea sold to those gullible, vain or so dishonest, they are unable to see the implausibility, that the most destructive and self destructive species on the planet, should claim to be any part of God's creative process. Which probably has yet to begin!
Cary Cook
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You said nothing about a problem of theism.
Theism does not imply that God created man in its image.
Neither does it imply the reliability of any alleged scriptures.
Assuming that a God created man, then God created separation.
Man may have some control over the degree of separation.
Theism does not imply that God created man in its image.
Neither does it imply the reliability of any alleged scriptures.
Assuming that a God created man, then God created separation.
Man may have some control over the degree of separation.
Trailblazer
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Because it is very difficult to live up to that image.
God.
Because people do not spend much time trying to realize it since they are too busy having fun.
Not everyone recognizes the Law, or fulfills it.
Those who are under the Law will never realize the Absolute as inherent, or the Name of names.
Those who are within the Law, the omnipresence, are no longer subject to the Law.
No one, nothing is above the Law.
the problem with this is that then 'your" god has definition and can be destroyed because form has to be formed. that which is formed then can be unformed. that which has definition has limits to it's form, to it's being. that which everlasting, infinite doesn't have an exact form.
exodus 3:14 implies ALL forms visible and invisible.
Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
all forms, including the one named ioesus, is a form of/from the All. so is a dog, so is a burro
you're making a huge mistake in using the word christian. not all christians believe jesus was exclusively god. even jesus said you are all gods.
the spirit is inherent in all things created, enlivened by it.
unless you are born of water and spirit you cannot inherit the kingdom of god.
the kingdom of god is not just heaven. it is heaven and earth as genesis 1:1 explains and revelation 21 too.
it is people like you, who have regulated god elsewhere.
thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven...........................people who don't acknowledge god's omnipresence keep throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
9 What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
11 This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
12 And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.
love is the law. there is nothing above it. this is the image. love is a mystery
2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
the form of love for self and other as self isn't that difficult. Have mercy.
Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour's lord as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Drowning in the sea of love
Where everyone would love to drown
But now it's gone
It doesn't matter what for
When you build your house
Then call me home
look past the surface, dive in, the ocean of bliss is never empty/full.
A proper ontology of belief can answer that. There is the world. Thoughts are not distinct from the world. Belief is not something apart from the world, it is nothing more than the truth of the world, the world that has been observed. If we hold belief to this standard, then the god of imagination is put in its place.
soma
John Kuykendall
All of us Christians need to clean our house, body and mind of worldly disruptions and encroachments on the soul by embracing the spirit and the mind of Christ. We like to alter the teaching of Christ to make them consistent with our materialistic, political culture and lifestyle, but that only promotes our arrogance and spiritual isolation. Jesus said, 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14: 16-17 & 25-26)
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14: 16-17 & 25-26)