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Enoch and Elijah

74x12

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I have two questions specifically for @Hockeycowboy, @Deeje @74x12 @nPeace and just for fun, @Estro Felino as well.

What, according to the Bible, happened to Enoch and Elisha?

Enoch: Genesis 5:24 / Hebrews 11: 5, Hebrews 11:13

Elijah: 2 Kings 2:11, 2 Chronicles 21:12
I believe they were translated. (Hebrews 11:5) That is they were transformed and are in heaven. Why them? Why no one else? I don't know. But there is some meaning behind it.
 

74x12

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What about John 3:13?
No one can ascend or descend except God. (Proverbs 30:4, John 3:13) But they can be caught up to heaven. (2 Corinthians 12:2)

Remember the fiery chariot that Elisha saw? Elijah went up into heaven in a whirlwind. Isaiah 66:15 may give us a clue. The chariots of God are likened to a whirlwind. Of course Elijah and Enoch cannot ascend into heaven. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him. Jesus is the Ladder of Bethel that Jacob saw.

edit: BTW Enoch didn't die because it says he was translated so as not to see death.
 
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74x12

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More about ascending and descending.

Not even the angels can ascend and descend between heaven and earth. Jacob saw them going up and down upon a ladder. This ladder was likely symbolic: they cannot do it by their own power, but only by the power of God. Jacob named that place Bethel, which means the House of God, and said that place was the gate of heaven. Then he anointed the rock that was his pillow with oil. (Genesis 28:12-18)

In Proverbs 30:4 it is clear that only God can descend and ascend by His own power. In John 3:13 we see that the Son of Man (Jesus Christ) is the only one who has done this. Therefore, this proves that Jesus is God the Father. Because Prov 30:4 makes clear it is the Father of the Son that ascends and descends. So the answer to the riddle in Prov 30:4 is that the name of the Father and the Son are one and the same and it is Jesus. And, I tell you something else: to ascend into heaven, He must first descend into the earth. (John 6:62, Ephesians 4:9)

In John 1:51, Jesus identifies Himself with the Bethel of Jacob. For He claims that they would see angels ascending and descending upon Him. In other words, Jesus is the ladder that the angels use, and He is the gate of heaven. And no one can ascend or descend but by His power. Furthermore, Jesus is Beth El (the House of God, or the living temple of God. John 2:19) and He is the rock (Daniel 2:34) that was anointed. (Acts 10:38) Which means He is the anointed one of God. (the Messiah) Jesus symbolized as a pillow because He is the rest. (Matthew 11:29)
 

12jtartar

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Premium Member
I have two questions specifically for @Hockeycowboy, @Deeje @74x12 @nPeace and just for fun, @Estro Felino as well.

What, according to the Bible, happened to Enoch and Elijah?

Enoch: Genesis 5:24 / Hebrews 11: 5, Hebrews 11:13

Elijah: 2 Kings 2:11, 2 Chronicles 21:12

Rothschild,
It seems that you have, just about, answered your own question. Evidently Enoch was removed instantly from life to death, so that he would not experience death, because he was about to be murdered by some of the wicked, of his day. Enoch died, but did not see death, or experience death.
As for Elijah when he went to heaven in the fiery chariot, it is the heavens around this earth that he went to. As you mentioned at 2Chronicles 21:12, Jehoram received a letter from Elijah, which was about 12 years after he went away from Elisha. So Elijah was taken away to another assignment here on earth, and died later, as all mankind have done, up to now, Hebrews 11:13. One Scripture that you did not mention, is very important to this discussion, John 3:13. Here Jesus said that no one has assended to heaven, but he that descended from heaven. The Bible even tells us that David, a man after God’s own heart never assended to heaven, Acts 13:22, 2:29,34.
 

The Anointed

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Rothschild,
It seems that you have, just about, answered your own question. Evidently Enoch was removed instantly from life to death, so that he would not experience death, because he was about to be murdered by some of the wicked, of his day. Enoch died, but did not see death, or experience death.
As for Elijah when he went to heaven in the fiery chariot, it is the heavens around this earth that he went to. As you mentioned at 2Chronicles 21:12, Jehoram received a letter from Elijah, which was about 12 years after he went away from Elisha. So Elijah was taken away to another assignment here on earth, and died later, as all mankind have done, up to now, Hebrews 11:13. One Scripture that you did not mention, is very important to this discussion, John 3:13. Here Jesus said that no one has assended to heaven, but he that descended from heaven. The Bible even tells us that David, a man after God’s own heart never assended to heaven, Acts 13:22, 2:29,34.

12jtartar wrote...….. Evidently Enoch was removed instantly from life to death, so that he would not experience death, because he was about to be murdered by some of the wicked, of his day. Enoch died, but did not see death, or experience death.

The Anointed...…. "Enoch died so that he would not experience death." Duhh! What planet do you come from?

12jtartar wrote...…. As for Elijah when he went to heaven in the fiery chariot, it is the heavens around this earth that he went to.

The Anointed...…. And what planet did he go to? Perhaps the same one you came from.

12jtartar wrote...…. As you mentioned at 2Chronicles 21:12, Jehoram received a letter from Elijah, which was about 12 years after he went away from Elisha. So Elijah was taken away to another assignment here on earth, and died later, as all mankind have done, up to now,

The Anointed...…. And later appeared to Jesus on the mountain and is to appear on earth immediately before the great day of God wrath. Malachi 4: 5; But before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes, I will send you the prophet Elijah.

12jtartar wrote...…. One Scripture that you did not mention, is very important to this discussion, John 3:13. Here Jesus said that no one has assended to heaven, but he that descended from heaven.

The Anointed...…. And no man has ascended to heaven 'EXCEPT' he who came down, even the Son of Man who 'IS' in heaven, said the man Jesus to Nicodemus.

12jtartar wrote...…. The Bible even tells us that David, a man after God’s own heart never assended to heaven, Acts 13:22, 2:29,34.

The Anointed...…. The only two men to have ever been taken to God while still alive, are Enoch and Elijah.

Enoch was carried up in a whirlwind of fire and escorted to the tenth heaven which is called Aravoth, where the archangel Michael led Enoch to before the Lord’s face

“And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity.

And the archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael, lifted me up, and led me to before the Lord’s face. And the Lord said to his servants tempting them: Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity, and the glorious ones bowed down to the Lord, and said: Let Enoch go according to Your word.

And the Lord said to Michael: Go and take Enoch from out of his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of My glory. And Michael did thus, as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s ray, and I looked at myself, and I was like one of his glorious ones. Or one of the seven highest angels.

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and elevated to angelic status. Other sources (mainly from the midrashic period) describe him as the "twin brother" [Duplication]of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch was similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.[2]

Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron’s twin, is in fact Elijah’s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.

Metatron is also mentioned in the Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the Hebrew Book of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "the lesser YHVH" [The Son of God] resurfaces. It is also believed that Enoch=Metatron was the angel “JHVH” that led the children of Israel through the 40 year wilderness. The one who said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18; “I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words into his mouth, and he will tell the people all that I command. And I will punish all who do not heed MY WORDS that He will speak in my name, etc.
 
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