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rosends

Well-Known Member
Doesn't God say HE wants to be your King? Wasn't this the issue when they still demanded a flesh and blood king and He allowed Saul, who wasn't so great, then began anointing His own line to eventually bring the Messiah out of?
Actually, God is our king but there was an expectation that we would want (and SHOULD HAVE) a human king, not to be like the king of other nations but to lead by example of piety and to help understand God's law. Unfortunately, in Samuel's time, the people asked for a king specifically to ape the nations around them. Wrong motives led to unfortunate consequences. But the idea that the future messiah will be a king of the Davidic line comports with the original biblical teachings.
 

CLee421

Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma
Actually, God is our king but there was an expectation that we would want (and SHOULD HAVE) a human king, not to be like the king of other nations but to lead by example of piety and to help understand God's law. Unfortunately, in Samuel's time, the people asked for a king specifically to ape the nations around them. Wrong motives led to unfortunate consequences. But the idea that the future messiah will be a king of the Davidic line comports with the original biblical teachings.

God says in 1 Samuel 8 they rejected Him as King - forsaking Him..?
 

CLee421

Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma
It is sort of like this site. And this one. And this video.
Is this really the focus of your thread? Trying to convince people that leaving Judaism and embracing Christianity is a desirable path? I thought you had questions about Judaism. My mistake.

I want real Jewish input on well... what comes to mind. Including things like that.
 

CLee421

Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma
Verse seven has God saying that the people rejected him as a direct king over them ("mimloch aleihem") -- not rejecting God as God.

Sure. That's my point. That always made me very sad...

So then, He anointed David. And the Messiah is to come from his line. I'm sure the answer is yes but are you aware of the location of the current family members in David's line?
 

CLee421

Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma
Is anyone on here a Jew by blood? And if you just converted how so?
 

CLee421

Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma
It is sort of like this site. And this one. And this video.
Is this really the focus of your thread? Trying to convince people that leaving Judaism and embracing Christianity is a desirable path? I thought you had questions about Judaism. My mistake.

Also - the people from the link I posted are Jewish...I believe that's applicable. That's all.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I 'm not trying to answer you wrong, but there are differing views on things like this. For instance, I believe Reform Judaism doesn't believe in the coming of Moshiach. Just so you know, I tend to often find myself agreeing with Chabadniks on a lot of things, but it's not that everyone else does. As with all things, differences of opinion arise.


I have heard that if you ask 10 Jews a question, you will get 10 answers and they will all be right.
Can we trust a system like that to get things right?

It doesn't mean they will be worthy as in they will suddenly become perfect; it means they will be in such a state of sin and despair they need such a person.

And you think they weren't in the first century?

The words of Jesus in lamentation of the rejection he received from his own people is interesting.....

Matthew 23:37-39..." O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those who are sent to you, how often I would have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you would not! 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you shall not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." He was quoting Psalm 118:26.

It was prophesied that only a remnant would return to Jehovah, and in the first century, only a remnant of natural Israel responded to Jesus' teachings. On his triumphal entry into Jerusalem as prophesied in Zechariah 9:9......
"They brought the donkey and the colt, laid their garments on them, and He sat on them. 8 A very large crowd spread their garments on the road. Others cut down branches from the trees and spread them on the road. 9 The crowds that went before Him and that followed Him cried out:

“Hosanna (save we pray) to the Son of David!
‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ (YHWH, Jehovah)
Hosanna in the highest!”


So here were the Jewish people acknowledging the Lord Jesus as the son of David, who came in his Father's name, fulfilling the prophetic Psalm....and yet a week later they were clambering for his execution. Why? Because the Jewish leaders had convinced the people that Jesus was a phony....a fake Messiah...a false prophet.

If you ask the Jews even today, you will find that they still believe this.....but no one in all of history has fulfilled Messianic prophesy more than Jesus did.

It had more to do with the false expectations of the Jewish leaders because they saw themselves being glorified in some way by the messiah and rewarded in his incoming kingdom; liberated from the yoke of Rome and proudly being able to revel in his victory......Jesus was not going to do any of that. The liberation he brought to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" was from the shackles of their oral traditions rigid adherence to the letter of the law.....and more reliance on scripture. It was a spiritual liberation. No wonder the Pharisees hated him! He exposed them for what they were.....religious hypocrites deserving only of "gehenna".

That is what my research has revealed.
 

CLee421

Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma
I 'm not trying to answer you wrong, but there are differing views on things like this. For instance, I believe Reform Judaism doesn't believe in the coming of Moshiach. Just so you know, I tend to often find myself agreeing with Chabadniks on a lot of things, but it's not that everyone else does. As with all things, differences of opinion arise.

It doesn't mean they will be worthy as in they will suddenly become perfect; it means they will be in such a state of sin and despair they need such a person.

I missed this earlier.

I like what you just said more than the claim Jews will somehow obtain worthiness.

However, I just learned that today's Rabbinical teachings deny original sin? But this was not always so?

Humanity has always needed a Savior. Not just a King...

Sin cannot be forgiven except by innocent blood, God says.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Sure. That's my point. That always made me very sad...

So then, He anointed David. And the Messiah is to come from his line. I'm sure the answer is yes but are you aware of the location of the current family members in David's line?
All of them? No. Some, according to individual family records, there are many who claim that lineage.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
I want real Jewish input on well... what comes to mind. Including things like that.
What comes to mind is that there are people who are born into belief systems and who, for any number of reasons (ignorance, personal crises of faith, external pressure) look for answers elsewhere. You can find "testimonials" of Christians who became Muslims, Muslims who became Jews and Jews who embrace Buddhism.
 
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