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Does god care if some decide not to believe in him?

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Wow, such an arrogant, dismissive attitude. You may feel looking down on those "primitive" writers of the OT makes you appear intellectually superior, but it reveals a complete lack of understanding and an unsophisticated view of ancient literature.
I would say it is equally arrogant to assume the entire planet was made just for you.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
There is but one example we have of life, which is on earth, why wouldn't life have adapted to the conditions on this planet.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Wow, such an arrogant, dismissive attitude. You may feel looking down on those "primitive" writers of the OT makes you appear intellectually superior, but it reveals a complete lack of understanding and an unsophisticated view of ancient literature.

It doesn't take much to be "intellectually superior" to people who sold their own daughters into sexual slavery: Exodus 21:7-11
And that's just one of countless examples. Those disgusting savages don't deserve respect nor should their words be used as a moral compass in the modern world.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
I don't say it was made just for me. It was made for all of us. Bible says it, not me.
That's arrogant, that one species has a planet to play around in and essentially ruin but unworried cause their god will whisk them away to heaven at some point.

There is no preservation clause in the bible about hey this is the only rock that is habitable for billions of miles, let's try to keep it habitable. But then they didn't know about the universe at the time.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Yeah, that.
Initially, peace will be enforced -then peace will be taught -then peace will be accepted -and even the "slain of the Lord" will be resurrected.

Zech14:12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. 13And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. 14And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. 15And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ***, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
Initially, peace will be enforced -then peace will be taught -then peace will be accepted -and even the "slain of the Lord" will be resurrected.

Zech14:12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. 13And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. 14And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. 15And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ***, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

You have an interesting take on those quotes. I really don't have a take on them. I do on some, just not those. Old testament prophesies I find a little more iffy than new. Even new I ponder.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
You have an interesting take on those quotes. I really don't have a take on them. I do on some, just not those. Old testament prophesies I find a little more iffy than new. Even new I ponder.
There really are no inconsistencies between the prophecies of the old and new -and my take on them is based on them.
People today seem think in terms of harps and halos, but both the old and new testaments describe a less-than-pleasant (to say the least) process of first making people governABLE by experiences before accepting that which will give them freely more than they can imagine -more than they could ever sin to gain.

The return of Christ, for example, is often thought of as a peaceful event -but even the new testament says otherwise.
It will BRING peace -and end war -but it will actually BE a war between Christ and his "camp" and the military forces still in existence at that point.
Afterward, he will rule with a rod of iron -though gently -to ENFORCE and teach peace to the remnant of humanity for a thousand years.
However, the "rest of the dead" which are not resurrected at his return will be resurrected after the thousand years. Some will receive eternal life then -and some will be further purified before receiving it -as it says "saved, yet so as by fire".

Zech 14:1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Rev17:11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14These shall make war with the Lamb,
and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.


Rev11:17saying: “We give thanks to You, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was; You have taken Your great power and begun to reign. 18The nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come. The time has come to judge the dead, and to reward Your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear Your name, both small and great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”


Joel 2:7They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
8Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
9They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Isaiah 2:2And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people
: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Some are willing to be peaceful and do rightly (the meek shall inherit the earth). Others must be made willing -but they will also have opportunity if they turn.

So -because we are not personally responsible, we will be "governed" until we become so -and we will then be free to create without conflict throughout the universe.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
God does not care what anyone thinks of Him either because He is God, so nobody can hurt Him. :)
If nobody can hurt God then how does one explain Genesis 6:6 that God was grieved at His heart.
I find God was provoked and grieved (aka hurt) by people's actions according to Psalms 78:40.
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
If nobody can hurt God then how does one explain Genesis 6:6 that God was grieved at His heart.
I find God was provoked and grieved (aka hurt) by people's actions according to Psalms 78:40.
I am not sure if the Bible accurately represents how God feels, but I think you are correct that God has feelings, so that would mean that God can be hurt. I say that because I just remembered what it says on Wikipedia:

While the Bahá'í writings teach of a personal god who is a being with a personality (including the capacity to reason and to feel love), they clearly state that this does not imply a human or physical form.[2] Shoghi Effendi writes:

What is meant by personal God is a God Who is conscious of His creation, Who has a Mind, a Will, a Purpose, and not, as many scientists and materialists believe, an unconscious and determined force operating in the universe. Such conception of the Divine Being, as the Supreme and ever present Reality in the world, is not anthropomorphic, for it transcends all human limitations and forms, and does by no means attempt to define the essence of Divinity which is obviously beyond any human comprehension. To say that God is a personal Reality does not mean that He has a physical form, or does in any way resemble a human being. To entertain such belief would be sheer blasphemy.[17][18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God in the Baha'i Faith
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I am not sure if the Bible accurately represents how God feels, but I think you are correct that God has feelings, so that would mean that God can be hurt. I say that because I just remembered what it says on Wikipedia:
While the Bahá'í writings teach of a personal god who is a being with a personality (including the capacity to reason and to feel love), they clearly state that this does not imply a human or physical form.[2] Shoghi Effendi writes:
What is meant by personal God is a God Who is conscious of His creation, Who has a Mind, a Will, a Purpose, and not, as many scientists and materialists believe, an unconscious and determined force operating in the universe. Such conception of the Divine Being, as the Supreme and ever present Reality in the world, is not anthropomorphic, for it transcends all human limitations and forms, and does by no means attempt to define the essence of Divinity which is obviously beyond any human comprehension. To say that God is a personal Reality does not mean that He has a physical form, or does in any way resemble a human being. To entertain such belief would be sheer blasphemy.

Right, I agree No physical form, but the previous pre-human heavenly Jesus, after his God resurrected him back to his original heavenly form, Jesus then appeared in heaven before the person of God according to Hebrews 9:24.
 

Chris Lovel

searcher
Do all parents make their children follow the family business or are some if not most allowed or even encouraged to find their own way?

If god is the father, some of his children say he wants all of his children to follow and get in the family business. Only in the father's...journal, it says his children are incapable of knowing what their own father thinks or operates. Can the children who have decided to follow the family business truly say that all the kids have to be put into the family business without a doubt?

They also say that the father is an understanding and merciful manager of the family business, it seems to me that this benevolent and merciful GM wouldn't mind if a few 100 million, out of a few billion employees, decide not to join his corporation. and instead find purpose elsewhere. Would the other managers in this conglomerate of corporations really care if a few decided to make work not in peddling of belief? I doubt it.

I think that these managers are chilling with their cloudy feet on their desk, while their employees are running around thinking they know the business plan of their unknowable manager. But the managers at the top of the building aren't concerned with the scheming and plotting of his employees, because their lofty office lies outside of space time and existence.
Yes, that is true. God created us out of Love so God wants us to Love Him because God knows that is for our own benefit. But it has to be a free choice. God will never force His Love upon anyone.

3: O SON OF MAN! Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.

4: O SON OF MAN! I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore, do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life.

5: O SON OF BEING! Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.

The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 4
The problem I have with all these Bible and other quotes is that these verses were written thousands of years ago and translated at least 14 times by people with an agenda. Because it was not until the 18th century when the masses learned how to read so these translators could distort and twist anything they translated, and they did. There are over 400 conflicting passages in the Bible, which one to believe? Also out of all the speeches and incidents reported there was nobody taking notes or recording in any way what was said or what happened. The Gospels were written until three generations after the fact. You know what that means? it's almost all here-say, here-say is not admitted as evidence in any court and the Bible is therefore totally unreliable. Any debaters?
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
The problem I have with all these Bible and other quotes is that these verses were written thousands of years ago and translated at least 14 times by people with an agenda. Because it was not until the 18th century when the masses learned how to read so these translators could distort and twist anything they translated, and they did. There are over 400 conflicting passages in the Bible, which one to believe? Also out of all the speeches and incidents reported there was nobody taking notes or recording in any way what was said or what happened. The Gospels were written until three generations after the fact. You know what that means? it's almost all here-say, here-say is not admitted as evidence in any court and the Bible is therefore totally unreliable. Any debaters?

nope.

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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The problem I have with all these Bible and other quotes is that these verses were written thousands of years ago and translated at least 14 times by people with an agenda. Because it was not until the 18th century when the masses learned how to read so these translators could distort and twist anything they translated, and they did. There are over 400 conflicting passages in the Bible, which one to believe? Also out of all the speeches and incidents reported there was nobody taking notes or recording in any way what was said or what happened. The Gospels were written until three generations after the fact. You know what that means? it's almost all here-say, here-say is not admitted as evidence in any court and the Bible is therefore totally unreliable. Any debaters?
I agree with that you are saying about the Bible, but if that is true, where does that leave Christianity and Judaism? It is a Pandora’s Box and not one that will ever be sorted out. However, I do not believe it is necessary to sort it out because we now have a new revelation form God, the Revelation of Baha’u’llah, which unconditionally abrogates all the previous Dispensations, although it upholds the eternal spiritual verities they enshrine and acknowledges the Divine origin of their Authors.

The quotes I posted are from The Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah, which were revealed by Him in the latter half of the 19th century. They are His Original Writings which were written in Persian and Arabic and they have only been translated into English once, by a translator who was authorized to do so by the Covenant of Baha'u'llah.
 
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Does god care if some decide not to believe in him?

Very good post. Important question for evangelists. Do not start evangelizing/proselytizing if you don't know the answer I would say.

God won't care If God does NOT exist
God won't care If God does exist

[This one can be proven easily even]
Go on..
 
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