President Trump moment of glory.

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi said:

They shouldn't have. They should only worship their God. Remember that God never wanted Israel to have a king in the first place.

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But God give them over to have a king.

And God called king David, A man after his heart. Now why would God call king David such, a man after his heart.

Care to explain exactly why God would say this, If God did want Israel to have a king.

Faithofchristian said:

But God give them over to have a king.

And God called king David, A man after his heart. Now why would God call king David such, a man after his heart.

Care to explain exactly why God would say this, If God did want Israel to have a king.

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You need to read 1st Samuel 8:7 maybe then you would understand why God didn't want Israel to have a king.

David was not a righteous man, he was a murder and adulteress who condone the raping on his own daughter.

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi said:

Do you remember Exodus 20:13? Or are you just going to continue to ignore your own God's word?

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By honouring the one that is in leadership over you, there's nothing wrong in that.


Hebrews 13:17 - Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief"

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi said:

You need to read 1st Samuel 8:7 maybe then you would understand why God didn't want Israel to have a king.

David was not a righteous man, he was a murder and adulteress who condone the raping on his own daughter.

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God for gave king David of his sin also.

2 Samuel 12:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

Therefore the Lord for gave king David.

Nice try

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi said:

You need to read 1st Samuel 8:7 maybe then you would understand why God didn't want Israel to have a king.

David was not a righteous man, he was a murder and adulteress who condone the raping on his own daughter.

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Maybe you, yourself should read
2 Samuel 12:13, Where the Lord forgave king David of his sin.

Faithofchristian said:

By honouring the one that is in leadership over you, there's nothing wrong in that.


Hebrews 13:17 - Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief"

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That verse does not give you absolution to wanton slaughter of innocent millions through the use of nuclear weapons. To even think that Jesus would approve of weapons of that quality being used proves that you truly do not know the deity you call Jesus.

Faithofchristian said:

God for gave king David of his sin also.

2 Samuel 12:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

Therefore the Lord for gave king David.

Nice try

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You didn't answer the first part. God didn't want Israel to have a king. Once again you ignore evidence.

Yet God still punished David by killing his newborn child. That's not forgiveness. Yet David was found unfit to build the temple by God.

1st Chronicles 28:3

If he was so righteous as you say why didn't God let him build the temple? It's simple because David was a murderer.

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi said:

That verse does not give you absolution to wanton slaughter of innocent millions through the use of nuclear weapons. To even think that Jesus would approve of weapons of that quality being used proves that you truly do not know the deity you call Jesus.

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You proved you have no idea or clue what your talking about.

Faithofchristian said:

You proved you have no idea or clue what your talking about.

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Care to explain what he said that's mistaken?

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi said:

You didn't answer the first part. God didn't want Israel to have a king. Once again you ignore evidence.

Yet God still punished David by killing his newborn child. That's not forgiveness. Yet David was found unfit to build the temple by God.

1st Chronicles 28:3

If he was so righteous as you say why didn't God let him build the temple? It's simple because David was a murderer.

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God didn't want Israel to have a king. But Israel did it anyway, Right.

Just like people to day, there are many things that God doesn't want people doing, but people will do it anyway, Right.

So you don't have any room to talk, Right.

Have you any idea, Why God taken the child of David's ?
Other than what king David did.

So what does the law God's require ?

Armoured said:

Care to explain what he said that's mistaken?

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Let's for say, that someone comes at you with a knife, Now what are you going to do to defend yourself ?

I will guarantee your not going to just stand there and let them do whatever to you.

You will defend yourself, Right.

So why shouldn't any country in the world not have the right to defend themselves.

If another country threatened another country with nuclear weapons, Then the other country has every right to defend it's self.

Faithofchristian said:

Let's for say, that someone comes at you with a knife, Now what are you going to do to defend yourself ?

I will guarantee your not going to just stand there and let them do whatever to you.

You will defend yourself, Right.

So why shouldn't any country in the world not have the right to defend themselves.

If another country threatened another country with nuclear weapons, Then the other country has every right to defend it's self.

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So no, in no way do you care to actually discuss what he said or how it's wrong.

Here's an idea, maybe you should stop making claims you can't support? You'd be surprised how much more enjoyable these discussions are when you actually have specifics and evidence to back up what you're saying.

Armoured said:

So no, in no way do you care to actually discuss what he said or how it's wrong.

Here's an idea, maybe you should stop making claims you can't support? You'd be surprised how much more enjoyable these discussions are when you actually have specifics and evidence to back up what you're saying.

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So what your actually saying is, that I should agree with everyone, and not have my own opinion on things.

Sorry but that's not how it works.

Are you in some short of dream world or what.

Faithofchristian said:

So what your actually saying is, that I should agree with everyone, and not have my own opinion on things.

Sorry but that's not how it works.

Are you in some short of dream world or what.

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No, he said instead of making posts where you can never support your claims, and end up looking rather foolish as a result, you should take some time and support your claims with reliable sources. Making declarations on your own with no support ever is a poor debating strategy. You are not a valid source. I am not a valid source. When theological claims are made you need to do a lot better than to refer to an outdated translation of the Bible that you do not understand. When political claims are made you need to be able to find sources that support those claims of yours. Your unsupported opinion is worthless in a debate.

Faithofchristian said:

So what your actually saying is, that I should agree with everyone, and not have my own opinion on things.

Sorry but that's not how it works.

Are you in some short of dream world or what.

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No, what I'm saying is, you should actually answer the questions people ask, rather than going off on weird, seemingly irrelevant tangents, and having vaguely reputable sources, or at the very least, logical, internal consistency, when you make claims.

Subduction Zone said:

No, he said instead of making posts where you can never support your claims, and end up looking rather foolish as a result, you should take some time and support your claims with reliable sources. Making declarations on your own with no support ever is a poor debating strategy. You are not a valid source. I am not a valid source. When theological claims are made you need to do a lot better than to refer to an outdated translation of the Bible that you do not understand. When political claims are made you need to be able to find sources that support those claims of yours. Your unsupported opinion is worthless in a debate.

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Oh good, so it's not just me.

Faithofchristian said:

Let's for say, that someone comes at you with a knife, Now what are you going to do to defend yourself ?

I will guarantee your not going to just stand there and let them do whatever to you.

You will defend yourself, Right.

So why shouldn't any country in the world not have the right to defend themselves.

If another country threatened another country with nuclear weapons, Then the other country has every right to defend it's self.

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Yes, you have the right to defend yourself, but according to God's law you do not have the right to take the attackers life. And with your reason you approve of NK having Nuclear weapons. Which is the exact opposite of what you claimed Trump did. Could you at least try to keep your hypocrisy in check?

Faithofchristian said:

God didn't want Israel to have a king. But Israel did it anyway, Right.

Just like people to day, there are many things that God doesn't want people doing, but people will do it anyway, Right.

So you don't have any room to talk, Right.

Have you any idea, Why God taken the child of David's ?
Other than what king David did.

So what does the law God's require ?

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Yes that's exactly what happen. God wanted to be Israel's only king, but Israel wanted to be like other nations. You would know this if you actually read the bible like you claimed too.

God took David's child to punish him for his adultery with the woman and the murdering of the woman's wife.

Leviticus 26:1 comes to mind.

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi said:

Yes, you have the right to defend yourself, but according to God's law you do not have the right to take the attackers life. And with your reason you approve of NK having Nuclear weapons. Which is the exact opposite of what you claimed Trump did. Could you at least try to keep your hypocrisy in check?

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So can you give in the Bible the book and chapter and verse as to where it is written, that a person does not have the right to take the attackers life, exactly where is that written at, what book and chapter and verse.
It seems you do alot of saying, but little to show your proof.

The proper use of self-defense has to do with wisdom, understanding, and tact. In Luke 22:36, Jesus tells His remaining disciples, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Jesus knew that now was the time when His followers would be threatened, and He upheld their right to self-defense. Just a short time later, Jesus is arrested, and Peter takes a sword and cuts off someone’s ear. Jesus rebukes Peter for that act (verses 49–51). Why? In his zeal to defend the Lord, Peter was standing in the way of God’s will. Jesus had told His disciples multiple times that He must be arrested, put on trial, and die (e.g., Matthew 17:22–23). In other words, Peter acted unwisely in that situation. We must have wisdom regarding when to fight and when not to.

Exodus 22 gives some clues about God’s attitude toward self-defense: “If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.

Paul engaged in self-defense on occasion, although non-violently. When he was about to be flogged by the Romans in Jerusalem, Paul quietly informed the centurion with the scourge that he, Paul, was a Roman citizen. The authorities were immediately alarmed and began to treat Paul differently, knowing they had violated Roman law by even putting him in chains. Paul had used a similar defense in Philippi—after he was flogged—in order to secure an official apology from those who had violated his rights (Acts 16:37–39).

The Bible never forbids self-defense, and believers are allowed to defend themselves and their families. But the fact that we are permitted to defend ourselves does not necessarily mean we must do so in every situation. Knowing God’s heart through reading His Word and relying on “the wisdom that comes from heaven” (James 3:17) will help us know how to best respond in situations that might call for self-defense.

Faithofchristian said:

will help us know how to best respond in situations that might call for self-defense.

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