Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Standing by for imminent "Catholics aren't REAL Christians" claim in 3...2...
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Sessions quotes bible to justify separating children from immigrants.
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Oh yes, that one never seems to get old.
Well, along with "Rome as whore of Babylon" and antichrist thingy as well.
Oh sweet mother of g-d.....
It gets worse. Much worse. Indescribably ludicrous in fact.
This for real!?
He might as well have referenced the great Wall of Ice designed to keep out the White Walkers from George RR Martin's epic fantasy novel Game of Thrones as his authority.
Sessions, in the greatest feat of biblical exegesis attempted thus far, as peerless as a St. Augustine and St. Anselm, continues:
OK, stop. Just STOP. Quit while your already far behind.
The wall is clearly morally wrong and stupid (below I reference numerous papal encyclicals ranging from Pope Leo XIII in the 1890s to Pope Pius XII in the 1950s):
As I said earlier, the right of the needy immigrant is placed above the right to State Sovereignty in the Church’s tradition, when the need is manifest and grave - given that if the sovereign rights of statehood are placed first, then the universal destination of goods;- that is the external necessities of basic sustenance such as food, fuel, and shelter, and also the land which is necessary for the production of such things, is effectively being denied and human artifice is being placed above that natural law right.
A wall is designed to prevent them from receiving the external necessities of basic sustenance from U.S. land and therefore it, “injures the relations between peoples, for it breaks the unity of supranational society” (Pius XII) which holds that, “the human race is bound together by reciprocal ties, moral and juridical, into a great commonwealth directed to the good of all nations and ruled by special laws which protect its unity and promote its prosperity” (Pius XII).
It follows that the Wall is not in accordance with a well-formed Christian conscience.
It gets worse. Much worse. Indescribably ludicrous in fact.
This for real!?
He might as well have referenced the great Wall of Ice designed to keep out the White Walkers from George RR Martin's epic fantasy novel Game of Thrones as his authority.
Sessions, in the greatest feat of biblical exegesis attempted thus far, as peerless as a St. Augustine and St. Anselm, continues:
OK, stop. Just STOP. Quit while your already far behind.
The wall is clearly morally wrong and stupid (below I reference numerous papal encyclicals ranging from Pope Leo XIII in the 1890s to Pope Pius XII in the 1950s):
(1) Separates people rather than strives to unify, which is not in consonance with Catholic Social Teaching given that the Church is “the sacrament of the unity of the human race” (Catechism) whose “maternal love…embraces all people as the industrious guardian of the teachings of its Founder [Jesus] who, by His words and those of the apostles, taught men the fraternal necessity which unites the whole world” (Leo XIII) and “faithful to its divine doctrines and its most glorious traditions, considers all men as brothers and teaches them to love one another…according to the observance of the principles of the natural law, and to condemn everything that violates them” (Pope Benedict XV), for which reason “the Church has always sought to destroy the barriers that spiritually divide humanity and to create and develop sentiments of fraternity and love” (Pius XI).
(2) The principles of the natural law dictate that due to this “unity of all mankind, which exists in law and in fact, individuals do not feel themselves isolated units, like grains of sand” and for which reason “the nations are not destined to break the unity of the human race, but rather to enrich and embellish it by the sharing of their own peculiar gifts and by that reciprocal interchange of goods” (Pope Pius XII), meaning that "the natural law itself, no less than devotion to humanity", urges that “ways of migration be opened to people forced by revolutions in their own countries, or by unemployment or hunger to leave their homes and live in foreign lands” (Pius XII) because “the sovereignty of the State cannot be exaggerated to the point that access to this land is, for inadequate or unjustified reasons, denied to needy and decent people from other nations” (Pius XII).
(3) These ways of migration must not be impeded because “the division and appropriation of things which are based on human law, do not preclude the fact that man’s needs have to be remedied by means of these very things. Hence whatever certain people have in superabundance is due, by natural law, to the purpose of succoring the poor” (St. Thomas Aquinas) and this is not possible in their home countries, which means that it is not permissible for a wealthy country with a superfluous share in the goods of the earth to frame immigration policy exclusively in terms of “what benefits us.”
And to wrap all that up: the construction of a wall along the border is designed to prevent these people from accessing the land they require to “remedy their needs” and which according to the natural law principle of the universal destination of goods is due to them by right.(2) The principles of the natural law dictate that due to this “unity of all mankind, which exists in law and in fact, individuals do not feel themselves isolated units, like grains of sand” and for which reason “the nations are not destined to break the unity of the human race, but rather to enrich and embellish it by the sharing of their own peculiar gifts and by that reciprocal interchange of goods” (Pope Pius XII), meaning that "the natural law itself, no less than devotion to humanity", urges that “ways of migration be opened to people forced by revolutions in their own countries, or by unemployment or hunger to leave their homes and live in foreign lands” (Pius XII) because “the sovereignty of the State cannot be exaggerated to the point that access to this land is, for inadequate or unjustified reasons, denied to needy and decent people from other nations” (Pius XII).
(3) These ways of migration must not be impeded because “the division and appropriation of things which are based on human law, do not preclude the fact that man’s needs have to be remedied by means of these very things. Hence whatever certain people have in superabundance is due, by natural law, to the purpose of succoring the poor” (St. Thomas Aquinas) and this is not possible in their home countries, which means that it is not permissible for a wealthy country with a superfluous share in the goods of the earth to frame immigration policy exclusively in terms of “what benefits us.”
As I said earlier, the right of the needy immigrant is placed above the right to State Sovereignty in the Church’s tradition, when the need is manifest and grave - given that if the sovereign rights of statehood are placed first, then the universal destination of goods;- that is the external necessities of basic sustenance such as food, fuel, and shelter, and also the land which is necessary for the production of such things, is effectively being denied and human artifice is being placed above that natural law right.
A wall is designed to prevent them from receiving the external necessities of basic sustenance from U.S. land and therefore it, “injures the relations between peoples, for it breaks the unity of supranational society” (Pius XII) which holds that, “the human race is bound together by reciprocal ties, moral and juridical, into a great commonwealth directed to the good of all nations and ruled by special laws which protect its unity and promote its prosperity” (Pius XII).
It follows that the Wall is not in accordance with a well-formed Christian conscience.
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Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
My concern are the Christians who ought to speak out against this nonsense!
On another note, this reporter is a hero
Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
Paul didn't write Psalms.
Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
I clicked the link just to see if it was the verse that I thought it was, and of course it was.
I am utterly incapable of processing the fact that a man who speaks and reasons in this way is actually the Attorney-General of the United States.
If one is to quote the Bible, then I honestly cannot think of anything more appropriate than this:
Evidently, things haven't changed all that much from biblical times after all.
If one is to quote the Bible, then I honestly cannot think of anything more appropriate than this:
"There is an evil I have seen under the sun, the sort of error that arises from a ruler: Fools are put in many high positions, while the [truly] rich occupy the low ones. I have seen slaves on horseback, while princes go on foot like slaves."
- Ecclesiastes 10:5-7
Evidently, things haven't changed all that much from biblical times after all.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I though we were referencing what Sessions had said.
Interesting to think that Paul did write this under the Roman occupation of Palestine. He wrote this not because it was a good and just government, but because it was not. And if he didn’t suck up to that government he might end up “following Jesus” a bit more closely than he wanted.
Jeff sessions is a bible astrologer. Does anyone listen to astrologers here as experts on anything? In fact lots of theology is just that astrology of the Bible.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
I hope no one is going to cite that for him, he might get ideas.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
That does seem to be the model the Trumpettes expect everyone else to adopt. You know, just like they did under Obama... Oh...
