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Strong delusion
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Shushersbedamned
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Maybe he meant the flat earth theory?
exchemist
Veteran Member
My Jerusalem bible has the following:" And therefore [as Satan is aiming to deceive those already on their way to destruction] God sends on them a power that deludes people so that they believe what is false....."
It goes on
"....and so that those who not believe the truth and take their pleasure in wickedness may all be condemned."
So there is - according to this more modern translation - no "delusion", just a "power" causing people to be deluded by Satan.
But what's your point in picking on this obscure verse of Sts Paul, Silvanus and Timothy's joint letter?
nPeace
Veteran Member
Taking this definition:
noun
- an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.
"the delusion of being watched"
synonyms: misapprehension, misconception, misunderstanding, mistake, error, misinterpretation, misconstruction, misbelief; More
- the action of deluding someone or the state of being deluded.
"what a capacity television has for delusion"
synonyms: misapprehension, misconception, misunderstanding, mistake, error, misinterpretation, misconstruction, misbelief; More
- the action of deluding someone or the state of being deluded.
If I may illustrate it.
Think of a blind person. That person is in total darkness. Not even being able to detect the slightest measure of light.
So a person that has a strong delusion, cannot detect the truth in any measure. What they believe, has become truth.
An example of this is, one who has it impressed or branded on their mind that sexually intercourse with an animal, or another of same sex is good.
That's why it is said
Romans 1:25-27 Contemporary English Version (CEV)
25 They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God’s creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen.
26 God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. 27 Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.
They become so blind in their minds, it's like a complete darkness. 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4.
Since you're dealing wit Paul's ideas of prophecy, he believed the Lawless one would come, the son of perdition, who would sit in the temple of God claiming himself to be God...
That angels would be sent teaching a different gospel than Paul taught; so be on your guard for anyone claiming to be divine, as they will stop you following Christianity.
In my opinion.
outlawState
Deism is dead
That be the religion of Cain, of those bearing the mark of Cain. Cain was given the authority of human law to protect him i.e. the mark of Cain. But then it was just a power that prevented Cain being killed. So Cain & his descendants lived under the Sumerian and Assyrian and Babylonian legal systems. This is why today so many evil doers flourish, as they have the protection of this pagan law.
Gen 4:15
And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
But in the last days, this mark, this power shall become a deceiving power that will turn people from true religion to worship satan, the power that controls false religion.
Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
And these latter day Cainites have the mark of the beast, where they worship and do homage to the secular power that has as its idol pagan law, and so are destined to perish and suffer wrath.
Rev 16:2 And he first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image
Faithofchristian
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What it means, That God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
Take the rapture theory, If a person wants to believe that lie, Then God shall send them strong delusion to believe that lie.
The rapture has people believing that Christ Jesus will come to Rapture them out before the tribulation. But this is a false teaching of man's.
God has given in the book of Revelation the last Prophecy that is to happen, that when this last Prophecy happens then Christ Jesus will return and not until the last Prophecy happens.
By the time this last Prophecy happens, the tribulation is over, So what good will the rapture do.
The last Prophecy is what brings about the return of Christ Jesus and brings the end to the tribulation.
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The transliteration of the Greek is “operation of deceit.” FWIW.
To me, it's the belief of evidence. It is today's common belief that humans need evidence get to a truth. This is a result of brainwashing by secular education (the 666) ever since one's childhood. In reality, faith in testimonies is the fundamental and exclusive way for humans to reach a truth of any kind.
74x12
Well-Known Member
1 Kings 22:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
20 And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
nPeace
Veteran Member
1 Kings 22:20-22 New International Version (NIV)
20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
...and the context
5 But Jehoshaphat also said to the king of Israel, “First seek the counsel of the Lord.”
6 So the king of Israel brought together the prophets—about four hundred men—and asked them, “Shall I go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?”
“Go,” they answered, “for the Lord will give it into the king’s hand.
7 But Jehoshaphat asked, “Is there no longer a prophet of the Lord here whom we can inquire of?”
8 The king of Israel answered Jehoshaphat, “There is still one prophet through whom we can inquire of the Lord, but I hate him because he never prophesies anything good about me, but always bad. He is Micaiah son of Imlah.”
..... -->>
2 Thessalonian 2:9-12
Faithofchristian
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Let's take the Rapture theory, There is no where in the Bible that supports the Rapture, Therefore if people wants to believe this lie, God shall send them strong delusion that they will believe the lie.
It's that simple.
Musterdseedsgodwithus
Member
With all the contradiction and interpretation of the Bible it seems to me that as man we all look for the right answers by our own wisdom. God repeats again and again to only have faith in him. Maybe the great solution is narrowing our beliefs to suit a view that we choose. Maybe god has it much more simple for us than we will except. I've heard....... The devil is in the details
Musterdseedsgodwithus
Member
Delusion.... Not solution..... Sorry
Musterdseedsgodwithus
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Musterdseedsgodwithus
Member
I suppose that would depend on a person's perception of being raptured.... Taken up... Protected by god in a time of tribulation.... Not a battle of the flesh but a spiritual battle we fight
nPeace
Veteran Member
I believe God created the first man and woman. Their offspring came through them. So we are a product of his making. The genes in our fore-parents are responsible for shaping us as we are.
However, with life so complicated today, it is not a simple thing to say that everything is God's creation, even though he started the process.
For example, scientists can now manipulate genes and cause an altercation that produces something that is terribly mutated, or something that appears beautiful.
They use what started with God, but can we call it God's creation?
Or is it a product of man's design?
Musterdseedsgodwithus
Member
All knowing creater knows every hair on each of our heads. God's symphony plays individually for all of us who will choose to listen...... Faith that all that is...... Is part of God's greatness to bring us back to him..... God asked Adam and Eve to obey one thing.... Not to eat from the tree bearing the knowledge of good and evil...... Only God knows and to make our own discernment would be an effort to be equal to god in our own wisdom.....yes? No?
74x12
Well-Known Member
Faith is the only thing that makes sense in a world that is so confusing. Satan is real and confusing the world with his delusions. Everyone is bewitched and so they can hardly discern the truth. That's different than strong delusion which is the judgment of God. However, the fact is faith in God is the only way to know the real truth because satan's lies are permeating the world. So the truth of God is only found in faith. No human is stronger than satan, but God is stronger. So faith makes sense.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
In the book of Revelation, God gave the last Prophecy that is to happen.
That when this Prophecy happens, brings the end to the tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.
So what good is the Rapture going to do.
Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy of the book of Revelation happens first, which brings about the end of the tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.
Do you know what the last Prophecy that God given in the book of Revelation is.
Which brings about the end of the tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.