Scripture Quiz

Earthling · Jun 10, 2018

I have my own interpretation but would like to hear what you all might think of the following scriptures.

Acts Of The Apostles 24:15 (NWT) and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

Romans 6:7 (NWT) For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.

djhwoodwerks · Jun 10, 2018

If one will read verse 2, they will have the meaning of verse 7.

Romans 6:2 (ESV Strong's) 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?

It says "who DIED to sin", past tense, not who WILL die FOR sin" future tense.

And verse 8, Romans 6:8 (ESV Strong's) 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

Verse 7 doesn't mean physical death.

Fool · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I have my own interpretation but would like to hear what you all might think of the following scriptures.

Acts Of The Apostles 24:15 (NWT) and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

Romans 6:7 (NWT) For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.

daniel says basically the same, but the unrighteous will awake to everlasting contempt, like the richman vs lazarus.

even in hell the richman could only think of him and his.

stvdv · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I have my own interpretation but would like to hear what you all might think of the following scriptures.
Acts Of The Apostles 24:15 (NWT) and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Romans 6:7 (NWT) For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.

IMHO: This means that as long as you see "good and evil" there will be rebirth. Does not matter if you live "righteous or unrighteous"
Only when you stop judging altogether as explained in genesis 2:17 there wil be no rebirth.
17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

David T · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I have my own interpretation but would like to hear what you all might think of the following scriptures.

Acts Of The Apostles 24:15 (NWT) and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

Romans 6:7 (NWT) For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.

Earthling · Jun 10, 2018

djhwoodwerks said:
If one will read verse 2, they will have the meaning of verse 7.

Romans 6:2 (ESV Strong's) 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?

It says "who DIED to sin", past tense, not who WILL die FOR sin" future tense.

And verse 8, Romans 6:8 (ESV Strong's) 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

Verse 7 doesn't mean physical death.

Two questions regarding verse 7. The wages of sin equals what? And if the wages are what they are would it be fair to have to pay more after that?

74x12 · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I have my own interpretation but would like to hear what you all might think of the following scriptures.

Acts Of The Apostles 24:15 (NWT) and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

Romans 6:7 (NWT) For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.

Acts 24:15 is just talking about what the Jews (with exception of Sadducees) already believed. That God would resurrect everyone and judge them. The righteous would be saved and the sinners done away with. This is described in Revelation 20:11 - 15. Apparently from studies some people will be saved and some not saved. The bride of Christ itself though will have been resurrected 1000 years previously. (Revelation 20:5)

It's important to remember that originally Romans had no verse numbers. So, Romans 6:7 should be kept strictly in context. In context it's about those who die with Christ. So it's about those in the body of Christ. (also see John 11:26)

Romans 6:6-8 King James Version (KJV)
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Earthling · Jun 10, 2018

David T said:

Been a long time since I've heard this.

Earthling · Jun 10, 2018

74x12 said:
Acts 24:15 is just talking about what the Jews (with exception of Sadducees) already believed. That God would resurrect everyone and judge them. The righteous would be saved and the sinners done away with. This is described in Revelation 20:11 - 15. Apparently from studies some people will be saved and some not saved. The bride of Christ itself though will have been resurrected 1000 years previously. (Revelation 20:5)

It's important to remember that originally Romans had no verse numbers. So, Romans 6:7 should be kept strictly in context. In context it's about those who die with Christ. So it's about those in the body of Christ. (also see John 11:26)

What about all of the people who were born and lived, either for a very short time or in a place where God's message couldn't be accessed? What is the second death?

74x12 said:

Romans 6:6-8 King James Version (KJV)

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74x12 said:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

The wages of sin are death, upon death you are paid in full. No hell.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I have my own interpretation but would like to hear what you all might think of the following scriptures.
Acts Of The Apostles 24:15 (NWT) and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Romans 6:7 (NWT) For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.

I find the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 meaning there ' will be ' a future resurrection.
Since the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' as per Psalms 92:7, then only the righteous and unrighteous can have a resurrection. Some having a first or earlier resurrection -> Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10.

As Romans 6:23 tells us the price tag of sin is = death, so one's death stamps the price tag of sin as Paid In Full.
So, that is why Romans 6:7 can say the dead are acquitted or freed from their sins.
Just as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges No longer stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges No longer stick.
Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can resurrect us.
Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18. During Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth most of the resurrected dead will have the opportunity to gain everlasting life on a beautiful paradisical Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.

We who are still living have two (2) choices presented to us at 2 Peter 3:9.
Either we need to ' repent ' or we will ' perish ' (be destroyed) at the coming time of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
What about all of the people who were born and lived, either for a very short time or in a place where God's message couldn't be accessed? What is the second death?
The wages of sin are death, upon death you are paid in full. No hell.

I find John 3:13 covers those people who lived and died before Jesus' died.
When they are resurrected then they can learn about Jesus and decide to accept Jesus or not.

I find the definition of the lake of fire is: second death.
Even sinner Satan ends up in 'second death' as per Revelation 21:8.
Since Jesus will destroy Satan according to Hebrews 2:14 B, then ' second death ' is a fitting term for destruction.
Or as Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed forever.

Jesus went to hell the day he died as per Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
Not to some religious-myth teaching about a fiery place, but to the biblical hell or sleeping place for the dead.
That is why Jesus taught sleep in death at John 11:11-14. (from Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5)
In other words, Jesus was in sleep-like un-conscious state until his God resurrected Jesus out of biblical hell/grave.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Two questions regarding verse 7. The wages of sin equals what? And if the wages are what they are would it be fair to have to pay more after that?

Interesting question ^ above ^ because I find there was No post-mortem penalty for Adam.
Adam simply ' returned ' to where he started which was the dust of the ground as per Genesis 3:19.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
Adam simply went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life.

URAVIP2ME · Jun 10, 2018

Fool said:
daniel says basically the same, but the unrighteous will awake to everlasting contempt, like the richman vs lazarus.
even in hell the richman could only think of him and his.

The parable or illustration of the rich man (Pharisees) and the common man (Lazarus) is just a story.

Both the righteous and unrighteous 'wake up from death's sleep' as per Daniel 12:2,13.
They are saved (delivered/ rescued) from the depths of the grave as per Psalms 86:13 B.
Some will gain everlasting life on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
Others to everlasting contempt ( because after resurrection they still refuse to accept Jesus )
That is why Matthew 20:28 says Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all or everyone.
As for the wicked, they have No resurrection but are destroyed forever as per Psalms 92:7.
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked as per Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.

74x12 · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
What about all of the people who were born and lived, either for a very short time or in a place where God's message couldn't be accessed? What is the second death?

I believe that in the 2nd resurrection some will be spared as "sheep" and others not spared as the "goats". It's best to be the 1st resurrection however in which case you're assured that you have eternal life.

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
The wages of sin are death, upon death you are paid in full. No hell.

The 2nd death is eternal destruction in the lake of fire also called Gehenna which is not to be confused with Hades/sheol which is a temporary place for the dead. Unfortunately some Bible translations just call different things "hell" and don't differentiate.

I find 3 separate places in the scriptures with different purposes:

Hades/Sheol
The bottomless pit/Tartaros
The lake of fire/Gehenna

Fool · Jun 10, 2018

URAVIP2ME said:
The parable or illustration of the rich man (Pharisees) and the common man (Lazarus) is just a story.

all stories convey an idea. its those who become fixated on the messenger, the characters, that lose sight of the message.

URAVIP2ME said:
Both the righteous and unrighteous 'wake up from death's sleep' as per Daniel 12:2,13.

already explained that.

URAVIP2ME said:
They are saved (delivered/ rescued) from the depths of the grave as per Psalms 86:13 B.

everyone delivered doesn't mean everone doesn't jump back into the fire. they have to change their mind, or learn from their mistake, for that to happen. if your brother sins 70 times how many times do you forgive him? obviously doesn't mean the sinner doesn't stop sinning even if you keep on forgiving...............

URAVIP2ME said:
Some will gain everlasting life on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
Others to everlasting contempt ( because after resurrection they still refuse to accept Jesus )

refusing, or not believing, someone is not advocation. a student can never be above their teacher. it's enough that she should become like her.

URAVIP2ME said:
That is why Matthew 20:28 says Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all or everyone.
As for the wicked, they have No resurrection but are destroyed forever as per Psalms 92:7.
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked as per Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.

the bible doesn't advocate idolatry to anyone, or anything, created.

David T · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Been a long time since I've heard this.

What I have discovered here is when dealing with art which the Bible is, sometimes referring to art without comment is the most sensible response.

Earthling · Jun 10, 2018

David T said:
What I have discovered here is when dealing with art which the Bible is, sometimes referring to art without comment is the most sensible response.

Oh, no, one doesn't cover even the tragedy or comedy. One develops an ear for all of the noises of the cosmos, uh, or words to that effect.

David T · Jun 10, 2018

RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Oh, no, one doesn't cover even the tragedy or comedy. One develops an ear for all of the noises of the cosmos, uh, or words to that effect.

I have said here many times, nature speaks we have lost the capacity to hear. One cannot see the stars standing always in the middle of times square at noon.. The noise is deafening and its created by us.
It's not mentally healthy as John Muir alluded to, and eco psychology and deep ecology has drawn attention to.

Eddie Vedder covered an indio song called hard sun. I really like that song. A sort of ode to mother nature with a bit of subtle a nod to the new testament.

Earthling · Jun 10, 2018

74x12 said:
I believe that in the 2nd resurrection some will be spared as "sheep" and others not spared as the "goats". It's best to be the 1st resurrection however in which case you're assured that you have eternal life.

The 2nd death is eternal destruction in the lake of fire also called Gehenna which is not to be confused with Hades/sheol which is a temporary place for the dead. Unfortunately some Bible translations just call different things "hell" and don't differentiate.

I find 3 separate places in the scriptures with different purposes:

Hades/Sheol

The bottomless pit/Tartaros

The lake of fire/Gehenna

One other. Tartarus 2 Peter 2:4

Earthling · Jun 10, 2018

David T said:
I have said here many times, nature speaks we have lost the capacity to hear. One cannot see the stars standing always in the middle of times square at noon.. The noise is deafening and its created by us.
It's not mentally healthy as John Muir alluded to, and eco psychology and deep ecology has drawn attention to.

Eddie Vedder covered an indio song called hard sun. I really like that song. A sort of ode to mother nature with a bit of subtle a nod to the new testament.

I didn't know that was an Indigo song. I remember the movie and soundtrack from years ago, but I don't remember the song. And the debut Indigo Girls album is the only one I've had.

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