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"Jesus is the only way": required or not for a Christian?

"Jesus is the only way": Required or Not?

  • As a Christian I agree to A + B [See text below]

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • As a Christian I do not agree to A + B

    Votes: 2 25.0%

  • As a non Christian I agree to A + B

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • As a non Christian I do not agree to A + B

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • Total voters
    8
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
According to the Bible, a neighbor is the one who acts with compassion where compassion is least expected to come from, even though they are not considered as neighbors. You’re confounding the parable and changing its meaning. It doesn’t have anything to do with “worshiping the same God.” It has everything to do with tearing down walls of prejudice.
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Seeing that Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel.
Therefore you would have to go back into the old testament and find out, Who exactly is considered to be a neighbour to Israel.
Can you explain exactly who the Samaritans are and what relationship they have with Israel.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
stvdv said:
II believe that is blasphemy. In essence you are calling God evil.
I did not call "God evil". I don't know where you get this from. Not from me !!!

You never met Jesus, still you believe in Jesus. I don't question your belief.
I met my Master and stayed for 10 years in His House. You can fantasize whatever you like about my Master.
But do you think that your fantasy makes any sense. You judge without knowing anything.

I trust my Master with my life. And He saved my life a few times. So I have personal "hard evidence".

What more can I say? Nothing ! You believe what you believe. Useless to talk, because you are already prejudiced anyway. Talking with someone who has a "fixed opinion" and is therefore closed to anything, makes no sense at all.

So let's agree to disagree on this.
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I believe that is a judgment without justification.

I do not believe I am such a person.

I believe I do not doubt that. However the evidence is temporal and one instance does not mean that all your instances are covered.

I never encountered Jesus in Human form but He is in me in spiritual form.

I believe I am not fantasizing but simply taking into account the biblical verses that say no man is good except God.

I believe in calling what I say "black magic" you are calling my words evil and my words come from God.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Faithofchristian said:
Seeing that Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel.
Therefore you would have to go back into the old testament and find out, Who exactly is considered to be a neighbour to Israel.
Can you explain exactly who the Samaritans are and what relationship they have with Israel.
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Jews had nothing to do with Samaritans. Their primary beef was the proper place of worship. Jews worshiped at amount Zion; Samaritans at Gerizim. Although in proximity, both in terms of geography and genetics, the Jews did not consider Samaritans to be neighbors, because they worshiped “improperly.”

When the lawyer asked, “Who is my neighbor?” Jesus responds with the Samaritan parable. The crux of the parable is that one who is not considered to be a neighbor is a neighbor because of the act of compassion he carried out. The “good Jews” did not show compassion, and so were “lesser” neighbors, even though they were Jewish religious authorities.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Muffled said:
I believe that is a judgment without justification.

I do not believe I am such a person.

I believe I do not doubt that. However the evidence is temporal and one instance does not mean that all your instances are covered.

I never encountered Jesus in Human form but He is in me in spiritual form.

I believe I am not fantasizing but simply taking into account the biblical verses that say no man is good except God.

I believe in calling what I say "black magic" you are calling my words evil and my words come from God.
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I think everyone should keep his religion to himself. When we start judging others' religion as inferior that is where wars started
I do not judge your religion. I do not "call your words evil".
I just tell that you have no right to criticize my religion/belief
And when you do judge/demean my religion
then I have to stop this emotional blackmail immediately
That's all that I have been saying all the time. No more no less.

If you don't criticize my religion, I won't say anything to you
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
Jews had nothing to do with Samaritans. Their primary beef was the proper place of worship. Jews worshiped at amount Zion; Samaritans at Gerizim. Although in proximity, both in terms of geography and genetics, the Jews did not consider Samaritans to be neighbors, because they worshiped “improperly.”

When the lawyer asked, “Who is my neighbor?” Jesus responds with the Samaritan parable. The crux of the parable is that one who is not considered to be a neighbor is a neighbor because of the act of compassion he carried out. The “good Jews” did not show compassion, and so were “lesser” neighbors, even though they were Jewish religious authorities.
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What is the relationship between Israel and the Samaritans ?

Why are they called Samaritans ?
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Faithofchristian said:
What is the relationship between Israel and the Samaritans ?

Why are they called Samaritans ?
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I thought I just answered the first question.

The answer to the second is that the group’s name is transliterated from Heb. Shamerim or “Torah-keepers.”
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
I thought I just answered the first question.

The answer to the second is that the group’s name is transliterated from Heb. Shamerim or “Torah-keepers.”
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The relationship between Israel and the Samaritans, is because the Father of the Samaritans is Joseph the son of Jacob.

The Samaritans being of the tribe of Ephraim and the tribe of Manasseh the two sons of Joseph.
Which Joseph being the son of Jacob.

The reason why the Samaritans are called the Samaritans, is because of their mix Marriages with other people outside of Israel.
Which God forbidden the people of Israel not to marry anyone outside of Israel.

Deuteronomy 7:3-4 - Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.


Ezra 9:1-15 - Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, [doing] according to their abominations, [even] of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.


Nehemiah 13:23-27 - In those days also saw I Jews [that] had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, [and] of Moab.

Therefore the Samaritans are called Samaritans because they are not true blood line of Israel, But having mix blood from other people around them.in Mix Marriages with other people.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Faithofchristian said:
The relationship between Israel and the Samaritans, is because the Father of the Samaritans is Joseph the son of Jacob.

The Samaritans being of the tribe of Ephraim and the tribe of Manasseh the two sons of Joseph.
Which Joseph being the son of Jacob.

The reason why the Samaritans are called the Samaritans, is because of their mix Marriages with other people outside of Israel.
Which God forbidden the people of Israel not to marry anyone outside of Israel.

Deuteronomy 7:3-4 - Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.


Ezra 9:1-15 - Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, [doing] according to their abominations, [even] of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.


Nehemiah 13:23-27 - In those days also saw I Jews [that] had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, [and] of Moab.

Therefore the Samaritans are called Samaritans because they are not true blood line of Israel, But having mix blood from other people around them.in Mix Marriages with other people.
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That may be. But it’s not why they’re called Samaritans.”
It’s believed (by them) that they are the keepers of the true religion, having remained in Israel during the Babylonian Exile, while the Jews were gone. They claim that the exile caused changes to the true religion.

That religious issue is the primary cause for the rift, and why the Jews did not consider them to be “neighbors.”
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
stvdv said:
I think everyone should keep his religion to himself. When we start judging others' religion as inferior that is where wars started
I do not judge your religion. I do not "call your words evil".
I just tell that you have no right to criticize my religion/belief
And when you do judge/demean my religion
then I have to stop this emotional blackmail immediately
That's all that I have been saying all the time. No more no less.

If you don't criticize my religion, I won't say anything to you
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I believe a lot of people say that but God is not comfortable with that.

I believe that is debatable. I certainly am not trying to make war with you. I am trying to open your eyes to the truth that can benefit you.

I believe you say you don't but you already did.

I believe I have a God given right and you are welcome to do the same as long as you use valid reasoning and not some mythical misunderstanding or fantasy.

I can easily believe you get emotional instead of staying rational but I am not using blackmail. I would never say that what you have is not good to some extent only that there is something better and in fact I would not even say you have to give up the old to get the new although we know who has to have preeminence because you can't serve two masters.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
23 jun 2018 stvdv 012 29
Muffled said:
I believe a lot of people say that but God is not comfortable with that.

I believe that is debatable. I certainly am not trying to make war with you. I am trying to open your eyes to the truth that can benefit you.

I believe you say you don't but you already did.

I believe I have a God given right and you are welcome to do the same as long as you use valid reasoning and not some mythical misunderstanding or fantasy.

I can easily believe you get emotional instead of staying rational but I am not using blackmail. I would never say that what you have is not good to some extent only that there is something better and in fact I would not even say you have to give up the old to get the new although we know who has to have preeminence because you can't serve two masters.
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My eyes are more open than you can even imagine

You know nothing about my connection with Jesus
I suggest you ask Jesus first, and you might be surprised
How much Jesus loves me for who I am
When you know what I know, you won't talk like that to me

So you just continue "sitting on your high horse"
Telling me I need this and that, and thinking you know it all so much better
This is only spiritual arrogance and that will bring you nowhere
That is something the scriptures are very particular and clear about

Below [in red] are your words:
I am trying to open your eyes to the truth that can benefit you.
You tell me this, and you are too blind to see how arrogant this is
Oh My God. This is another proof that arrogance makes blind

I tell your very clear, mind your own business
I have said it many times now
I have no interest whatsoever in you imposing your view on me
You keep on bugging me with your proselytizing
Stop it now, or I press the "report button"
"enough is enough"
 
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savagewind

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It seems to me that people neglect to look at Revelation 7:9 any other way than their own way. Jesus is about the inner person. They have made Revelation 7:9 about the outer person.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
23 jun 2018 stvdv 012 32
savagewind said:
It seems to me that people neglect to look at Revelation 7:9 any other way than their own way. Jesus is about the inner person. They have made Revelation 7:9 about the outer person.
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Thank you for sharing this.
I read also chapter Revelation 6. And this was so obvious about "the inner person" IMO. This was about the awakening of the spirit in human. Culminating in verse 7:2. Beautiful description. I never looked at these verses before. It is all about inner transformation as I understand this.

And verse 7:9 reminded me of my most wonderful experience with Jesus. These verses indeed are all about the inner transformation. IMHO.
 
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Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
savagewind said:
It seems to me that people neglect to look at Revelation 7:9 any other way than their own way. Jesus is about the inner person. They have made Revelation 7:9 about the outer person.
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I believe Jesus cares about the whole person.

I believe Rev 7:9 is a depiction. Whether it is a depiction of something physical or not is open for debate.
 
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