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Is the Bible God's Word?

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Hawkins

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Skwim said:
But that doesn't help those reading these mistakes in their Bible. Worse yet, it points out the very real likelihood that other statements in the Bible are in error, and possibly errors of significant importance. What it boils down to is that a book with errors, whether A Brief History of Time or the Bible, is untrustworthy.

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What errors are you talking about, especially when comparing with any other human documents written 2000 years ago?
 
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Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
Really. Assuming you approach the Bible with a pure heart, I'm sure you have a rational explanation for these errors.

2 Samuel 8:4
And David took from him 1,700 horsemen, and 20,000 foot soldiers. And David hamstrung all the chariot horses but left enough for 100 chariots.

1 Chronicles 18:4
4 David took 1000 chariots, 7000 chariot drivers, and 20,000 soldiers from Hadadezer. David also crippled most of Hadadezer’s horses that were used for pulling chariots. But David saved enough horses to pull 100 chariots.

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OR

Genesis 11:12
12 When Arphaxad was 35 years old, his son Shelah was born.

Luke 3:35-36
35 Nahor was the son of Serug.
Serug was the son of Reu.
Reu was the son of Peleg.
Peleg was the son of Eber.
Eber was the son of Shelah.
36 Shelah was the son of Cainan.
Cainan was the son of Arphaxad.
Arphaxad was the son of Shem.
Shem was the son of Noah.
Noah was the son of Lamech.​


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2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.

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Or (the order of creation)


Genesis 1:25-27
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:18-19
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.​


OR

2 Samuel 21:19
There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

1 Chronicles 20:5
5 And there was war with the Philistines again, and Elhanan the son of Jair ]killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

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2 Kings 8:26
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2 Chronicles 22:2
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.


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The point is, all kinds of history books written by humans behave that way. Unless you expect the Jews are super humans.

On the other hand, God if exists doesn't need humans to be superman to convey His message. What is said in today's Bible remains the same as the Bible written thousands of years ago at the theological level. It is never a necessity to maintain an absolute accuracy at the contextual level, or else humans will notice that the writings are supernatural. If they notice the supernaturality of the Bible, then they already know the existence of God without delivering faith. Faith however is what saves them.

It remains to your dilemma to demand for a supernatural document, such that humans have no hope to be saved?
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Hawkins said:
The point is, all kinds of history books written by humans behave that way. Unless you expect the Jews are super humans.
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I don't expect anything. However, many Christians claim the Bible is inerrant, and as I have just shown, it is not. And if it is not how can it be god's word, as was asked in the thread's title?

On the other hand, God if exists doesn't need humans to be superman to convey His message. What is said in today's Bible remains the same as the Bible written thousands of years ago at the theological level.
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And you know this to be a fact because______________________________________________________________________________ .

If they notice the supernaturality of the Bible, then they already know the existence of God without delivering faith.
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Why?

Faith however is what saves them.
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So the story goes.

It remains to your dilemma to demand for a supernatural document, such that humans have no hope to be saved?
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????????????????????

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Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
I don't expect anything. However, many Christians claim the Bible is inerrant, and as I have just shown, it is not. And if it is not how can it be god's word, as was asked in the thread's title?


And you know this to be a fact because______________________________________________________________________________ .


Why?


So the story goes.


????????????????????

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Your only and circular argument here is to discredit all kinds of human witnessing, including human history itself. Human history is just as unverifiable as religious claims. The only fundamental difference is that history is the human accounts of testimonies of human activities while religious claims are about humans accounts of testimonies of the gods.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Hawkins said:
So do you means to say that you have a perfect history book written 2000 years ago without the so-called errors? Show us so.
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You are aware, are you not, that there are people who claim the Bible is without error. If you aren't aware then I suggest you bone up on Christians a bit. If you are aware then it should be obvious to you that your remark here is a bit witless and moot.

Your only and circular argument here is to discredit all kinds of human witnessing, including human history itself. Human history is just as unverifiable as religious claims. The only fundamental difference is that history is the human accounts of testimonies of human activities while religious claims are about humans accounts of testimonies of the gods.
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Sorry that my question has you stumped.

Have a good day.


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Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Rajagopalanchandu said:
Is the Bible God's Word?
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That may depend upon what you mean by word. Jesus was called the word of God, which implied that he was the representative, or spokesperson, of God. God's infallible word was given by divine inspiration to the writers of the Bible, but the Bible itself is the fallible or imperfect translation of that.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
That may depend upon what you mean by word. Jesus was called the word of God, which implied that he was the representative, or spokesperson, of God. God's infallible word was given by divine inspiration to the writers of the Bible, but the Bible itself is the fallible or imperfect translation of that.
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And how do you know that?
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Subduction Zone said:
Your kidding right? Genesis is a book of myths. No Adam and Eve, no flood of Noah, no tower of Babel etc.

Nothing like the Exodus occurred.

Countless self contradictions:

BibViz Project - Bible Contradictions, Misogyny, Violence, Inaccuracies interactively visualized

Bad morals, the list goes on and on.
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Lets start with Adam and Eve. You say they didn't exist. Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please?

As for the sources you gave in the link. Not very convincing.

And regarding bad morals, was that not the point?
 
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Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Subduction Zone said:
And how do you know that?
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Well, the Hebrew word for word is davar and the Greek is logos. The expression Word of Jehovah occurs hundreds of times in scripture. (Psalm 33:6 for example. John 1:1; 14:24)

Scriptures are inspired, 2 Timothy 3:16, 17, and yet the Bible is fallible. Mark 16:9-20 / John 7:53-8:11 / John 5:4.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Lets start with Adam and Eve. You say they didn't exist. Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please?

As for the sources you gave in the link. Not very convincing.

And regarding bad morals, was that not the point?
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Life as we know it is the product of evolution. There never were only two people.

And what was wrong with my sources? I am betting that they are far more reliable than anything that you can find.

And you do not seem to realize that the morals of the God of the Old Testament are atrocious.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Well, the Hebrew word for word is davar and the Greek is logos. The expression Word of Jehovah occurs hundreds of times in scripture. (Psalm 33:6 for example. John 1:1; 14:24)

Scriptures are inspired, 2 Timothy 3:16, 17, and yet the Bible is fallible. Mark 16:9-20 / John 7:53-8:11 / John 5:4.
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That does not answer the question.
 
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