nPeace
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What do you mean?
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God's Take On Nudity
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I assume he means illiterate, bronze age goatherds with no education or knowledge of the world beyond their pastures.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
King James reads just fine
and Chapter Two is NOT a retelling of Chapter One
two separate events altogether
nPeace
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Are you sure that's what he means? I don't want to assume in case I am wrong.
However, if you are right, that's great,, because that's proof (not that we are now finding this out) that the Bible would have to be from a higher source, since the information found there is way ahead of our time, and far superior in its knowledge on most everything. Nice.
nPeace
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Do you have anything you can provide to prove this?
Subduction Zone
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Really, where? The best that I have seen are attempts to reinterpret the Bible in light of what we know today. Meanwhile those same people often believe the clear and obvious myths of the Bible. That appears to be a lose lose to me for Christians.Are you sure that's what he means? I don't want to assume in case I am wrong.
However, if you are right, that great,, because that's proof (not that we are now finding this out) that the Bible would have to be from a higher source, since the information found there is way ahead of our time, and far superior in its knowledge on most everything. Nice.
nPeace
Veteran Member
For example?
What bible are you reading? Pi = 3? Speckled goats can be produced by drinking from a trough with partially peeled sticks in it? Worldwide flood? Talking snakes? Jesus born under Herod and in the census year?Are you sure that's what he means? I don't want to assume in case I am wrong.
However, if you are right, that's great,, because that's proof (not that we are now finding this out) that the Bible would have to be from a higher source, since the information found there is way ahead of our time, and far superior in its knowledge on most everything. Nice.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-major-historical-errors-in-the-Bible
The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You were the one that made the claim about the knowledge in the Bible, I am interested in seeing if you have any that does not match my claim.
nPeace
Veteran Member
I suppose it's the one that isn't understood by the wise of this world.
You only mentioned about 2% of the Bible though, and if you were to gather all the texts where you think they are myths and jokes, you still couldn't make perhaps (I'm being generous... I think) 30%.
So what's wrong with the other percentage? Are there no good things to say?
True story.
There was this new boy at school. He walked funny, talked funny, and most children though, "You know, he's just not worth it - no good."
A few got to know some things about the boy, and became his friend, while the others shunned him, focusing only on what was bad in their eyes.
Long story short - Those who got to know the boy, learned that he had a condition. They got to learn something else too... That boy had a big heart (you know what I mean). He was funny, intelligent - many things that were not seen by those who were blinded by their judgments.
Sure enough, they lost out on a good friendship. ...and that big heart... It was a blessing to those who looked for the good, rather than what they perceived to be bad.
True story.
That being said. Jesus Christ said this, in answer to the question:
“Why do you use stories as illustrations when you speak to people?”
11 Jesus answered, “Knowledge about the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you. But it has not been given to the crowd. 12 Those who understand these mysteries will be given more knowledge, and they will excel in understanding them. However, some people don’t understand these mysteries. Even what they understand will be taken away from them. 13 This is why I speak to them this way. They see, but they’re blind. They hear, but they don’t listen. They don’t even try to understand. 14 So they make Isaiah’s prophecy come true:
‘You will hear clearly but never understand.
You will see clearly but never comprehend.
15 These people have become close-minded
and hard of hearing.
They have shut their eyes
so that their eyes never see.
Their ears never hear.
Their minds never understand.
And they never return to me for healing!’
16 “Blessed are your eyes because they see and your ears because they hear. 17 I can guarantee this truth: Many prophets and many of God’s people longed to see what you see but didn't see it, to hear what you hear but didn't hear it. Matthew 13:10-18
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nPeace
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So you challenge the claim about knowledge in the Bible. Am I right? I asked for an example. Do you have one?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Wow! You have it backwards. You were the one that claimed there was such knowledge, I replied based on examples that I have seen. It appears that you know that you have nothing.
nPeace
Veteran Member
We probably are both looking down the same barrel then, because I thinking the same thing.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
as you are reading Genesis....you will notice some 'leaps'
and with some other portions of Scripture the leaps become more manageable
for example.....Day Six
go forth, be fruitful, multiply......dominate all things
NOTE....no garden, no names, no law, no forbiddance
New Testament makes report.....Adam is a CHOSEN son of God
put the two notations together......Man was a species on Day Six
Chapter Two is more to a science experiment
a chosen specimen
ideal living conditions
alteration of mind and body as well as cloning
Adam was not the first man to walk this earth
He was the first to walk with God
and Eve was not born of woman.....no navel
Adam was given his twin sister for a bride
THEN you have details about Cain
Banished to wander ...he complained....
others will seek to kill me
what others?.......
Cain took a wife......from where?....the land of Nod?
Cain went on to build a city......for what population?
apparently..obviously.....
the garden family were not alone on this planet
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Why don't you support your original claim? You do not seem to understand that a claim, such as you made, cannot be refuted until you give a little more detail. I told you what errors I have seen in the past, I don't want to make a strawman argument, one where I give an example and you would claim that was not what you were thinking about.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Don't assume what I will do. You probably did that before in our last "conversation". Go ahead.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Can you support what you said by scripture?
Genesis 2:
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Matthew 19:
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
1 Corinthians 15:
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You made a claim. I explained why that claim was wrong. Then instead of supporting your claim you tried to twist it. So far you have only supported the claim that I made.
nPeace
Veteran Member
What modern man "discovered".
The Doctor Who Championed Hand-Washing And Briefly Saved Lives
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/ignaz-semmelweis-doctor-prescribed-hand-washing
https://explorable.com/semmelweis-germ-theory
What "primatives" wrote:
Numbers 19
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I believe I did