A.C. Simon
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Ya that’s what I thought
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Jesus is a Joke
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Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
I won't call Jesus a joke. But he is a prankster.
First miracle? Party favor.
Last miracle? Trolling people who are worried he's gone.
Theologian says Jesus was a 'trickster'-but it's not as offensive as you think - Religion News Service
First miracle? Party favor.
Last miracle? Trolling people who are worried he's gone.
Theologian says Jesus was a 'trickster'-but it's not as offensive as you think - Religion News Service
dfnj
Well-Known Member
Magic has a negative connotation the way you are using it.
God is just a word representing an idea. I've heard many people use the word God to represent why energy exists at all. I've heard people use the word God to represent why electrons have charge and move at all. I think in your zeal not to use a particular word because you don't like makes you miss out on a very useful word for representing every possible mystery each of us does not understand.
You could take the position there are no unsolvable problems in nature. But I think that kind of faith is naive. Some mysteries around nature are more complex than can be model. You would need a mind or computer as big as reality itself to perform the calculation of the simulation needed to achieve any meaningful insights.
I like the word God. It's useful.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Well, once at work He told me to take off all my clothes and run around the office naked. I am an obedient son but the prospect flabbergasted me. Then when I seemed flustered enough He said "just joking."
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there is no evidence that you exist 2,000 years from now. I run into this with my forefather. The author of the book that told about him said that he probably came from Lowestoft, England but the records were in the church when it burned down.
Muffled
Jesus in me
The only real prophetic definition i know of Holy communion is stated in Ezekiel 4, and to paraphrase it, 'because you've exchange animal sacrifice for human, we're going to exchange bread and drink, for poo cakes and urine, then send you around the world with the defiled covenant.'...
Think the humor and even intellectual understanding has gone over most people's head, as i laughed my head off first time i read that... People really are gullible.
In my opinion.
I am not sure sarcasm counts as humor although todays comedians might think so.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
Well... if there is a Failure To Communicate? As would be the case if the word "god" was as loose as you suggest?
Then there is little grounds for an exchange of ideas-- this "god" thing could literally represent anything you wanted, and be subject to the whimsy of imagination, changing with the slightest thought.
Many others have observed that there is yet, no sane definition of "god", that is also universal.
As such, the use of the word is problematic.
Me? I tend to presume the word "god" means "the super-beings as depicted in one or more religious books". Book Gods, if you will.
This is mainly because non-book 'gods' almost never present a Social Problem for anyone-- by that, I mean nobody is denying anyone's rights, because of a non-book god. Nobody is being tossed off of a high building, because someone thinks the Greater Universal Spirit commanded them to.
No, it's Always Something to do with Book Gods, isn't it? And their self-professed, self-appointed "guardians"... !
dfnj
Well-Known Member
I'l answer you questions and comment in order. If God did communicate to us directly, many people would simply choose not to accept it. By Occam's razor it is more likely extraterrestrials are effing with us than it is the Almighty himself talking. The "loose" God I am defining is the alpha-omega one. God is a word that represents every possible thought and experience that can ever occur. Having grounds for an exchange of ideas is not a necessary condition for having faith in any type of God. Yes, God can mean anything you want. By definition, and omnipotent God can be more than one thing at the same time. So an omnipotent God can be both a pantheistic type God and an Abrahamic type God at the same time. An omnipotent God can be both male, female, and non-gender all at the same time. An omnipotent God has no boundaries. An omnipotent God is not bounded by the laws of logic, language, or physics. The word is only "problematic" because you have a subjective opinion about it. Yes, an omnipotent God can mean what you claim it means from books. You seem to be confusing "denying anyone's rights" with religion. Religion did not invent human nature. If religion did not exist at all there would be just as many wars and senseless acts of violence. People are tossed off of buildings not because of "Book Gods". People are out of their minds crazy because of stories like this:
More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq
I don't think the guy pictured in the article who's pregnant wife was killed by US bombing who will probably become the next major World terrorist is NOT doing so based on religion. I just think building tossing has more to do with human nature than it does with religion as a cause. Religion exists in many ways to try to tame our lesser angels in our human nature. No, I do not agree with your point it "always something to do with Book Gods".
People have faith in a particular type of God because it gives them meaning in their lives and makes them feel safe. It's probably delusional and make believe. But who cares if it works. On a grand cosmic timescale everything we do and believe is pretty much meaningless. But it's also meaningless that it is meaningless. So we might as well choose meaningful. And if we are going to choose meaningful we might as well go all-the-way and choose a personal God.
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dfnj
Well-Known Member
is NOT doing so based on religion (typo).
That isn't Yeshua being sarcastic; it is like don't give to dogs (Gentiles) that which is holy or give pearls to swine (Gentiles), as they won't understand it; is the same thing... It is literal dry wit.
In my opinion.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus was Son of Adam/Man in spirit also as was Adam and not god.
Regards
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
In your first paragraph, you describe a thing which cannot exist.
Logically speaking, a "square circle" cannot exist, because both squares and circles contain attributes that are mutually exclusive, that preclude being both.
It is illogical to have a god with all the attributes you describe, as they are mutually exclusive attributes.
Therefore? Such a thing doesn't exist.
As for the rest?
I do not agree-- Book Gods-- or more specifically, the self-appointed "guardians" of these-- DO toss people off of high buildings. I've seen videos of exactly that-- posted by the people doing the tossing, and they do claim that their god demanded it of them.
The fact that no god shows up to STOP such people? Proves there is no god behind any--
Uncaring or indifferent gods may as well not exist at all.
And there is too much good on Earth, for there to be all-powerful EVIL gods-- so those are myth too.
dfnj
Well-Known Member
I can't disagree with you on the idea that squares are not circles.
I never said God was a "thing". It is not illogical because God is not a "thing". "Things" have boundaries. God my definition is omnipotent.
People behave badly because of human nature not because they have belief in God or follow a particular "Book God". If religion did not exist at all there would be just as many wars and senseless acts of violence. Are you saying atheists never behave immorally? Of course atheists are just as evil as any other group of people in probably the pretty much the same frequencies.
You can't prove a negative. You can't prove God does not exist. You seem like you would be smart enough not to fall into that trap argument.
People have faith in a particular type of God precisely because there is no evidence. It may be superstition or people associating divine meaning in their lives by delusion, but what difference does it make. Are you some kind of evangelical nihilist who is trying to promote nothing is divine in the World. You sound like the child in the playground referenced in this video:
It's easy to become a nihilist. It's not as easy to choose to have faith in God because of the requirements on your behavior.
I don't think you appreciate or understand the value of myth. You should study Joseph Campbell and The Power of Myth so you can understand why we have religion in the first place before you make sweeping judgments about God.
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A.C. Simon
Member
Not according to the bible and Quran, they both say Jesus is the Word of God, and God created the universe by His Word, making Jesus creator and not creation since He is the Word of God. You can’t separate God and His Word; and His Word came into creation as a man named Jesus of Nazereth, making Him both God and man, being a mediator for the sins of man.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
shall we do a topic?......the Word
A.C. Simon
Member
Sure... if you want
Muffled
Jesus in me
That isn't Yeshua being sarcastic; it is like don't give to dogs (Gentiles) that which is holy or give pearls to swine (Gentiles), as they won't understand it; is the same thing... It is literal dry wit.
In my opinion.
Would this qualify?
Luke 11: 11 And of which of you that is a father shall his son ask a loaf, and he give him a stone? or a fish, and he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he give him a scorpion?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you have never proven that and we have sufficiently proven that He is God in the flesh.