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Jesus is a Joke

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Power of the church? You mean synagogue? Well what the Jews were upset at is that He healed on the sabbath, got between they're hypocrisy, and that He made Himself the Son of God, making Him equal with God. But the main reason being that they were envious of Him. Plus He also exposes their hearts and true intentions, and they didn't like that.

Did Jesus claim he was the son of God? Regardless, unless Jesus was a threat to the synagogue's cash flow I just don't see why they would be compelled to crucify him. Why was he even on their radar. Just some nut in the street like the thousands of other ones.

I think he was advocating a radical philosophy that isn't in the Gospels. King James translators cleansed the Gospels.
 
Did Jesus claim he was the son of God? Regardless, unless Jesus was a threat to the synagogue's cash flow I just don't see why they would be compelled to crucify him. Why was he even on their radar. Just some nut in the street like the thousands of other ones.

I think he was advocating a radical philosophy that isn't in the Gospels. King James translators cleansed the Gospels.
John 5:18: "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

Regarding the cash flow He did cleanse the temple of people selling stuff in it; and He did tell the Jews you can't be a servant of both God and wealth, which they didn't like either

And as for why they would be compelled to crucify Him it goes deeper into the heart issue, because Jesus is the light of the world, and it says in
John 3:19:
"And
this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”
They hated Him because they were wicked, and Jesus exposed their wickedness; and they used the law as a way to justify delivering Him over to death, but being blinded they killed the innocent.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Oh, I'm not a Capitalist, so that would be a no. In that regard, the mythical character of Jesus and I are on the same page--- neither of us thinks unfettered Capitalism is a Good Thing.
that's a rather sharp digression.....

clearing the temple was more than a money changer problem

but since you don't believe that He existed.....the event didn't happen
not for you anyway

and you don't really have a dog in the fight
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
same could be said for socrates. there is no record of such a person; except from his followers.

siddhartha gautama and pythagoras didn't write any of their materials either. everything was taught orally. pythagoras taught behind a curtain.

he was also reputed to have lived with the essenes for some time, who kept no written records.
I believe Jesus or Issa son of Mary or Maryam was a real person as he has been mentioned in Quran.
I also believe that Socrates and Siddhartha Gautama Buddha were also real persons.
Others are welcome to believe differently with reasons, if any, or without them.
Regards
 
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Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
that's a rather sharp digression.....

clearing the temple was more than a money changer problem

but since you don't believe that He existed.....the event didn't happen
not for you anyway

and you don't really have a dog in the fight

True. Unfortunately, lots of people who do believe in it?

Want to pass some very ugly laws, based on an entirely FALSE view of the events.

Clearly Jesus did not believe in capitalism.

Or if you must, he thought capitalism needed to be 100% OUT of religion.

In direct contrast to various laws the world over.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
as for Jesus being a joke.....I don't think so

some of His parables end rather harshly

I think He was serious
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
John 5:18: "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

We are all sons and daughters of the same creator. Saying we are the son or daughter of God is kind of meaningless.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
We are all sons and daughters of the same creator. Saying we are the son or daughter of God is kind of meaningless.

I beg to differ, here! I was created by my parents having unprotected sex. I was fortunate enough to have met them, and indeed--they raised me from non-sentient infanthood.

I also met most of their creators, too. I missed me mum's, as he had passed when she was but 2 years old.

In fact? I also met me mum's mum's creators--mostly.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I believe Jesus or Issa son of Mary or Maryam was a real person as he has been mentioned in Quran.
I also believe that Socrates and Siddhartha Gautama Buddha were also real persons.
Others are welcome to believe differently with reasons, if any, or without them.
Regards
And what importance does that place on the ideas, or morals; whether the person existed, or not?

allahu akbar

Love is the Greatest!!!
 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
We are all sons and daughters of the same creator. Saying we are the son or daughter of God is kind of meaningless.
except when you recite the Lord's Prayer....

Our Father....

heaven hears you when you say it
so too the devil

there's a line drawn
 
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We are all sons and daughters of the same creator. Saying we are the son or daughter of God is kind of meaningless.
The Jews also called God their Father, but what Jesus was saying is that He is actually begotten from Him, making Himself God, and that’s why they wanted to kill Him all the more.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
The Jews also called God their Father, but what Jesus was saying is that He is actually begotten from Him, making Himself God, and that’s why they wanted to kill Him all the more.
I believe it is wrong, Jesus was never a literally Son of God or God, he was just a Son of Adam/Man which he himself proclaimed. Didn't Jesus proclaim that he was Son of Adam/Man?
One could believe differently with reasons and arguments, if any, or without.
Regards
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
I beg to differ, here! I was created by my parents having unprotected sex. I was fortunate enough to have met them, and indeed--they raised me from non-sentient infanthood.

I also met most of their creators, too. I missed me mum's, as he had passed when she was but 2 years old.

In fact? I also met me mum's mum's creators--mostly.

The idea is someone created your parents, you parent's parents, all the way back to God. It's not that hard to understand.
 
I believe it is wrong, Jesus was never a literally Son of God or God, he was just a Son of Adam/Man which he himself proclaimed. Didn't Jesus proclaim that he was Son of Adam/Man?
One could believe differently with reasons and arguments, if any, or without.
Regards
That’s what the passage says and how the Jews understood it to be in John 5:18.
And your right He was the son of man, and completely man in the flesh: but is completely God in the spirit.
But I would like to turn it around and ask you didn’t God speak creation into existence and create the universe by His word?
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
The idea is someone created your parents, you parent's parents, all the way back to God. It's not that hard to understand.

No-- without a single piece of evidence to presuppose this "god" thing?

It is hard to understand-- I refuse to accept "magic" as an "answer".

And make no mistake-- there can be no god-claims, without magic.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
And what importance does that place on the ideas, or morals; whether the person existed, or not?
I believe it is wrong, Jesus was never a literally Son of God or God, he was just a Son of Adam/Man which he himself proclaimed. Didn't Jesus proclaim that he was Son of Adam/Man?
One could believe differently with reasons and arguments, if any, or without.
Regards
if you look at it as jesus being a demi-god, we all qualify.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
That’s what the passage says and how the Jews understood it to be in John 5:18.
And your right He was the son of man, and completely man in the flesh: but is completely God in the spirit.
But I would like to turn it around and ask you didn’t God speak creation into existence and create the universe by His word?

everyone is begotten of the Spirit, if they recognize that God the Fathers is in them, or exodus 3:14; which is the Father's name

for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.

Acts 17:28
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God's child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.


1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
 
everyone is begotten of the Spirit, if they recognize that God the Fathers is in them, or exodus 3:14; which is the Father's name

for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.

Acts 17:28
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God's child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.


1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
You don’t stop do you?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
You don’t stop do you?


david danced before the lord.

cernunnos is dancing

blue kachina dancing

quetzalcoatl dancing

nataraja dancing







2 Kings 3:15
15 But now bring me a harpist. While the harpist was playing, the hand of the Lord came on Elisha
 
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