Altfish
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That's fortunate, another cop out.
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Why One May Never See God
- Thread starter Ostronomos
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stvdv
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Bible is known to speak a lot figuratively. God sitting with us. Others quoted "God can't be seen face to face" makes your lines to be not literal IMO.
So that is still no definition about God. So still the above claims of Christians are unreal. As far as I see "their own fabrications of an overactive mind". IMHO.
My thought: If God is that powerful [maybe 100 times human] you think He will judge us. Come on, you don't judge babies do you. You think we are more than babies compared to God [now fill in infinite instead of 100; impossible God will just us IMHO].
Huh, who judges babies, I don't know what you are talking about. That seems unreal to think babies are judged.
To me, 1 Corinthians 7:14 B is clear about minor children, so why mention babies.
No babies are adulterers, and as Hebrews 13:4 says that God will judge the immoral.... Babies are Not immoral.
Any thoughts about Hebrews 5:12-15 in talking about taking in scriptural knowledge or biblical education.
We do Not remain as babes, but we can have our perceptive powers mature with age.
We should Not remain as spiritual babes who only drink the ' milk ' (basics) of the Word/Scripture.
There is No basis in Scripture that babies are judged. That is the product of an over-active mind, Not Scripture.
stvdv
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You missed my point, "the baby" was an analogy.
IMHO: I do not believe God is judging His own creation. Even if scriptures declare otherwise.
as Human we are not qualified to tolerate seeing God at this current context of Physics
( When Moses came to the site appointed by US and His Lord addressed him, he said " O Lord let me see Thee" Allah said: You cannot see me, but look to the mountain if it abide to its place then you will see me" When his lord manifested his Glory on the mountain, The montain was busted to debre and Moses collapsed in a swoon. When he recovered he said: Glory be to Thee! to Thee I return in repentence, and I am the first to submit in faith.
Noble Quran 7:144
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The magical volleyball
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If there is a God then the reason he cannot show himself or interact directly with people is the same reason we can't jump into a video game and meet mario. If this world was created by a God then this world most likely exists on God's computer. He can manipulate things in our world or create an avatar (Jesus christ) to interact with characters in the game, but could never actually enter himself.
stvdv
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I never thought video games to be useful, but I like your analogy.
Once I played "Life" long time ago. +and+, -and- like magnets were pushed away, while +and- created a new form. I found that also a nice analogy.
About `we can't jump into the video game and meet mario`. RF creates `forum text game`, Whatsapp creates `forum audio/video game`
About God entering the game `Him`self. I would not exclude this [as a fact], but as per my definition of God+enter+game it's beyond my imagination.
Ostronomos
Well-Known Member
This analogy agrees with my objective experiences with God. He can only passively affect the computer game, making the observer aware that He exists. A self-distributed mind or a universal mind that has some degree of potency but you still feel as though there is a cosmic separation between yourself and this external Being.
I find 1 Kings 8:27 teaches that even the heavens of heavens can Not contain God, so surely He would Not be on Earth.
stvdv
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All people[I did too] argue all the time accusing God for not showing up. Pure arrogance out of ignorance IMO. Have you ever thought this one through well?
"if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"
We are talking about The God, who created also The Sun [which is a relatively mini heat source in the Big Universe]
Betelgeuse, a red giant, is about 700 times bigger than the sun and about 14,000 times brighter
You still want God to show up on your doorsteps, your house might be ashes long before God [in Full Glory] arrives there [I also forgot about this minor detail?]
My Master always said "Be careful what you ask for, God can and might grant you ... you might be in for something you didn't anticipate"
My Master is very wise, this is just one of His casual advices. I am so amazed nobody on RF ever thought about this before [but neither did I].
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Altfish
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Why the threats? This is one of the problems with this loving being; she seems to only exist through threats! My house will be in ashes - ooh, I'm really scared,
What you fail to realise is I don't believe your god created the sun.
I didn't ask for her on my doorstep, but she could go on prime time TV
You believe that your master is very wise, I personally don't have a master (Although Mrs Altfish may disagree) I bow down to no one. Not through arrogance but because no one has earned that honour.
Yes, I have thought it through and I cannot come to any other conclusion... There is no god.
stvdv
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I didn't write about any threats God is or is not making. That is your misreading my lines.
As long as people refuse to give a clear cut definition of God, any definition is on the table.
Also mine "The sight of God will burn the human". Not what God wants, just we can't handle it.
A simple analogy "will you be burned when you are close to sun"?
Same way is what I meant in my reply. And that was very obvious, that I did not imply at all what you wrote
"A mean God threatening us."
Okay, I understand you misread my lines. I am also allergic to people talking Hell and Devil.
So if you know me very little, you would know that I never mean something along this way
I only believe in God as "Unconditional Loving".
And this means He loves without condition. So to Him all creations of His are dear. Atheist, Humansts, Religious humans. All. Also Altfish. Even if he does not believe in God. From how I feel there is no difference between you and me. I believe in God and you don't, and God is okay with both of us. That is what I understand from the words "Unconditional Loving"
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stvdv
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First you are the one asking the questions about God:
Why does God make it so hard for us to see him/her?
Wouldn't God have many more followers if she just revealed herself instead of playing childish mind games?
I give my view on this
Then you twist my lines
And as a topper excuse yourself saying:"Yes, I have thought it through and I cannot come to any other conclusion... There is no god."
You didn't get this insight, I presume, because of my enlightening and warming reply
So you must have had this view already
My question:
Why did you ask your question, if you already knew your answers?
And why reply the way you did, which makes totally no sense to me? [unless it is just to go against the other]
I am totally fine that you don't believe in God. And I will never try to convert you at all.
And of course you will never see God [if you are right, that God does not exist]
As long as there is no "clear definition" of God, all talks about God are Hypothetically. Yours, and also mine.
Ostronomos
Well-Known Member
Ahh but there is a God! There are reports of spiritual experiences. And you cannot verify this hypothesis except through every observation of the nuances of existence. You know very little of existence. And you fulfill the criteria of the mass opinion on why most who do not see God turn to atheism. But if you were to see God you would change your mind completely. Either that or you would continue to deny the facts.
Altfish
Veteran Member
I'm not impressed.
Change the word god in that paragraph to Zeus or The Flying Spaghetti Monster and it makes just as much sense to me.
I know a lot about existence because I am getting on in life, please don't accuse me of mass opinion.
There are no facts to deny.
Ostronomos
Well-Known Member
It is not that God is playing childish mind games but that He exists in an isolated spiritual realm that is only accessible by divine means. It also depends on one's genetic code. My genes possess the necessary requirements to interact with the spirit realm on occasion.
Ostronomos
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Again, God is real. Yet you do not believe so, which indicates you know very little about existence. I can guarantee you don't measure up to my knowledge about reality.
Altfish
Veteran Member
I'd obviously missed that description. Where can I read that.
Lucky you...or maybe unlucky you. The nearest I get to that is at a good concert or after 6-pints of good beer.
Milton Platt
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Make stuff up much???
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
You just spent a lot of time saying nothing.