Thana
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Because humanity sucks?
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Downfall of humanity
- Thread starter Unveiled Artist
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Because humanity sucks?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Does your limited knowledge of the creator (which is not a bad thing to some people) motivate you to research, look, study, and travel with the humility given by Allah?
I personally see this as negative. It is not pride to know one is equal to one's god. It is saying one is a friend and has a friendship with that god. It is saying "I am not below you and you are not below me". It is helping a friend on equal terms.
That's why god means life to me not a creator and not someone to be worshiped. Because I live With or within, I guess you can say, life....not for it and not it for me. (The former) Makes no sense.
But rest assured, I didn't add Muslim in there. I don't know much about the faith other than what you posted that would make me think a Muslim find they are limited in their knowledge of god as a result that would make them motivated to do whatever they wish to do.
I disagree with that kind of motivation; and, that is just me.
Maybe I'm just wondering about what others believe because if I stick with what I believe and not understand others, it's as if I'm blocking half the world from myself. It confirms my bias.
So, I understand somewhat. What I do understand, we have different views.
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Hmm. It only sucks to me when I'm depressed. When I'm not, I usually ride with the waves, talking to strangers while I'm out and about (I cant drive)... and just dance at the bus stop and talk to people who don't have homes, lending them a conversation and an ear. I dont watch the news and can't save the world; but I can pray. That's the best I can do for people I can't help. So far, even though I will be in huge debt, I wont live forever; so, I will finally get my education.
I think we can see the unsuckiness of humanity. If we look? and interact?
But, you got me, I had to laugh.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Downward??
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Eh. Made up word? "Look down" on humanity.. there we go.
Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
Does your limited knowledge of the creator (which is not a bad thing to some people) motivate you to research, look, study, and travel with the humility given by Allah?
I personally see this as negative. It is not pride to know one is equal to one's god. It is saying one is a friend and has a friendship with that god. It is saying "I am not below you and you are not below me". It is helping a friend on equal terms.
That's why god means life to me not a creator and not someone to be worshiped. Because I live With or within, I guess you can say, life....not for it and not it for me. (The former) Makes no sense.
But rest assured, I didn't add Muslim in there. I don't know much about the faith other than what you posted that would make me think a Muslim find they are limited in their knowledge of god as a result that would make them motivated to do whatever they wish to do.
I disagree with that kind of motivation; and, that is just me.
Maybe I'm just wondering about what others believe because if I stick with what I believe and not understand others, it's as if I'm blocking half the world from myself. It confirms my bias.
So, I understand somewhat. What I do understand, we have different views.
I never said my knowledge of the creator is limited, I said my knowledge in general is limited compared to the creator. I know all I want to know about the creator.
On to your other points, I'll try and respond to as many as I can. Now ,you say it's negative to be inferior to God and yet, in your knowledge, you are inferior to a doctor with regards to medicine, you are inferior to lawyers with regards to law, you are inferior to a bus driver with regards to knowing how to drive a bus. There is nothing wrong with that, in life we all have certain specialties, interests and qualifications. If we can go to a doctor with humility and say, "hey doc, helpeme out here", surely we must extend a far greater humility to the creator and originator of all things? Of course, this level of thinking requires a certain level of belief in a God or Gods.
From your second paragraph I'm making the assumption you believe in God, so do you follow any particular religion?
Again, I restate my point, not limited in knowledge of God but limited in knowledge of all things when compared to God. This is neither something that motivates me nor demotivates me. It gives me a role, my role is as a creation and all creation has limitations. A VCR can not record DVDs or play Blu-Rays no matter how hard it tries. I as a medical student can finish my 5 years of study and 40 years of work, end my life as a professor but still never bring the dead back to life, These are our limitations. But, within those limitations, we can study and become the best HUMAN being possible, intellectually, physically, etc etc. Our comparison and competition, thus motivation is with other people, not God.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
The answer is simple. They do not Understand God nor what is really going on.
Doesn't religion try to convince people they have a problem so religion can be the solution creating a need for religion?
As one learns and grows through the lifetimes, one learns truth. All that down thinking becomes obsolete in favor of the real truth. When one understands all sides, intelligence will always make the right choices. I'm afraid one so often must experience it to really understand it.
In this multilevel classroom called life, one can see many people making bad choices in order to understand. It is a reminder of what the true answers really are. They is no need for hate of any kind for just like us, they are on the road to Understanding and Intelligence.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Thats true. I just dont understand it. Not understanding is very different than not accepting other peoples views on a give subject.
Seeing ones limitations as a way of humility is foriegn to me. Its not that I dont accept thats how others see things. Its more my person view it is confusing how limitation can result in humility.
I mean, its good to point out we need to accept differing view points. Thats not the key here. From how I see it it sounds negative and maybe understanding the other side may change my views.
My views are not all in stone.
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I guess I can wrap my view in the doctor example. I see doctors all the time for my medical condition. If both doctor and I do not trust each other, there is no relationship. What she doesnt know is symptoms I have to update her on. She may not know what its like to have my condition whichnis different than studying it. So, she needs me as I need her in order to help with my health. Its a two way street. We dont see limitations as long as we communicate with each other. Im blessed to finally have a doctor who will.
Some people are motivated by knowing they dont know everything about God. It helps them want to understand him more. It may also increase the need and want to worship him becauze if they knew him completely, they would be god. Not many want to be god. So to some it is positive. If that doesnt apply, thats okay. I havent said it applies to all people.
Going off of what I just said, I see the opposite. I see it that way because God would be my friend not a god to me. Worship doesnt make sense to me. Lowering oneself to another out of obligation to a god is odd.
Al Ibn Al Amra
Member
Persons are not like The People . The people might not be Al Nabi Al Ahmadz SAW Himself .
If you look at humanity from purely a scientific perspective whilst acknowledging our evolutionary origins, as I do, then this is all rather explained away - in our struggle for survival, as for all life on Earth. We have inherited certain things from our proto-human ancestors - some of which are hardly useful in the societies in which we find ourselves now - and evolution is not in the habit of preparing life for the future but in dealing with the present - but often with the tools from long ago. Hence, it is quite understandable why we have so many problems - too many humans, often living cheek by jowl, having to deal with the consequences of so much rapid change, and with that with which we are born or acquire through our development.
We are often easily deceived, by our thinking (or not), by our sensory perceptions (vision, hearing, touch, etc.), such that it is inevitable that many or even most will have illusions or delusions.
Sin is just another word for what we perceive as bad behaviour - and the spectrum is rather large with much disagreement anyway.
Our mortal nature (being born on Earth) means we will have limited knowledge of the cosmos - but perhaps that will change one day - if we survive long enough as a species.
If there was a God, everything would presumably be lower in status. And as to be enlightened or not, well we are at the top so far, so better than all else that we know.
Without all the suppositions about God we would be doing pretty well compared with all other life on Earth, even if we are making a bit of a mess at the moment. But that might change if we took full responsibility for being in the position we find ourselves - as being the species that could enhance or degrade the lives of humans and all other life here on Earth. A tricky balancing act and perhaps we are not up to the task. Religions are not doing it for me in helping this most crucial issue.
We are often easily deceived, by our thinking (or not), by our sensory perceptions (vision, hearing, touch, etc.), such that it is inevitable that many or even most will have illusions or delusions.
Sin is just another word for what we perceive as bad behaviour - and the spectrum is rather large with much disagreement anyway.
Our mortal nature (being born on Earth) means we will have limited knowledge of the cosmos - but perhaps that will change one day - if we survive long enough as a species.
If there was a God, everything would presumably be lower in status. And as to be enlightened or not, well we are at the top so far, so better than all else that we know.
Without all the suppositions about God we would be doing pretty well compared with all other life on Earth, even if we are making a bit of a mess at the moment. But that might change if we took full responsibility for being in the position we find ourselves - as being the species that could enhance or degrade the lives of humans and all other life here on Earth. A tricky balancing act and perhaps we are not up to the task. Religions are not doing it for me in helping this most crucial issue.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Stupid of me to get involved in this but sometimes I cannot help myself.
To say that "life is not terrible for me and there is no suffering and pain" and "If I can escape such, anyone "can" if they want it bad enough" is not even logical because it is based upon YOUR experience. Heck, even if many people have has a similar experience that does not mean that EVERYONE can escape suffering just because they want it bad enough. What this implies is that these people who suffer are in effect to blame for their suffering. That is not compassionate... Not everyone has the same resources or life situation or social support. There are myriad reasons why some people suffer and others do not.
All that said, my life has been a storehouse of suffering but I have found a way out. This was not easy but everything was lined up such that it was doable, although it took about 15 years of constant effort.
I highly doubt that many people who had my life would have been able to make these changes. Part of it is my willingness to suffer to get where I am at and part of it is a strong will and patience, but I think much of it was help from God, since that was the turning point, when I finally turned to God for help. Before that I had recovered from my depression and anxiety through counseling,12 step programs and homeopathic treatment, but I was still suffering over certain situations and no amount of counseling helped me at all. You are right about one thing though; if people convince themselves there is no way out there will be no way out. I lived that way for about 12 years, in utter hopelessness, until my sister cared enough about me to get me into a psychiatrist. That was the beginning of a long journey through recovery.
ProtonLander
New Member
Religion sees humanity from the perspective of God( my Definition;creator of the universe) and people naturally believe that creation can not be above the creator of the creation so they see the creation as lesser from the divine perspective.
It would be interesting to see why buddhism sees man from a negative perspective since their view of a god(s) is not as clear as other religions.
I think it depends on the religion's definition of God, as a creator I think the philosophical pathway tends to be the one I outlined earlier but I think the ancient romans seemed to have a different definition for a god than a creator and thus so they even acknowledged how "wicked" some of their god(s) were.I think they saw a god as a being with powers above humans and not essentially as the creator of the universe/humans.
It would be interesting to see why buddhism sees man from a negative perspective since their view of a god(s) is not as clear as other religions.
I think it depends on the religion's definition of God, as a creator I think the philosophical pathway tends to be the one I outlined earlier but I think the ancient romans seemed to have a different definition for a god than a creator and thus so they even acknowledged how "wicked" some of their god(s) were.I think they saw a god as a being with powers above humans and not essentially as the creator of the universe/humans.
ProtonLander
New Member
No morals mean no sins? That means that gang members who never learned morals, can't sin by killing, stealing, and/or vandalizing.
At some point morals can be reasonably expected.
Not illusioned, but enlightened because of rebirth? Look at all those who claim to be reborn, who merely want to enter heaven when they die. Perhaps "do unto others" is the ticket to heaven? I can't imagine a heaven with bad people who are greedy to get a seat in heaven for themselves. That would be hell.
It is not expected that an infant carries a gun and robs a liquor store (wetting a diaper is a lot different).
Even though babies are pure, and will go to heaven if they die soon, they can learn in heaven and fall out of heaven. Heaven isn't eternal bliss. One can get kicked out, just as Lucifer was.