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Was 'Jesus' ie; 'Yeshua', really a man of the East?

sayak83

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I see, but can you me a bit more specific?
No. That's what I have heard. Do you know of any early documents that claim Jesus came from the East?
Also original name of Jesus is very standard and common Hebrew name Joshua.
Yeshua - Wikipedia
The English name Jesus derives from the Late Latin name Iesus, which transliterates the Koine Greek name Ἰησοῦς Iēsoûs.

In the Septuagint and other Greek-language Jewish texts, such as the writings of Josephus and Philo of Alexandria, Ἰησοῦς Iēsoûs is the standard Koine Greek form used to translate both of the Hebrew names: Yehoshua and Yeshua. Greek Ἰησοῦς or Iēsoûs is also used to represent the name of Joshua son of Nun in the New Testament passages Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8. (It was even used in the Septuagint to translate the name Hoshea in one of the three verses where this referred to Joshua the son of Nun—Deut. 32:44.)

During the second Temple period (beginning 538 BC – 70 AD), Yeshua first became a known form of the name Yehoshua. All occurrences of Yeshua in the Hebrew Bible are in I Chron. 24:11, II Chron. 31:15, Ezra, and Nehemiah where it is transliterated into English as Jeshua. Two of these men (Joshua the son of Nun and Joshua the High Priest) are mentioned in other books of the Hebrew Bible where they are instead called Yehoshua [28] (transliterated into English as Joshua).

The earlier form Yehoshua did not disappear, however, and remained in use as well. In the post-exilic books, Joshua the son of Nun is called both Yeshua bin-Nun (Nehemiah 8:17) and Yehoshua (I Chronicles 7:27). The short form Yeshuawas used for Jesus ben Sirach in Hebrew fragments of the Wisdom of Sirach. (Some concern remains over whether these fragments faithfully represent the original Hebrew text or are instead a later translation back into Hebrew.[29]) The earlier form Yehoshua saw revived usage from the Hasmonean period onwards, although the name Yeshua is still found in letters from the time of the Bar Kokhba Revolt (132–135 AD).
In the documentary The Lost Tomb of Jesus, archeologist Amos Kloner stated that the name Yeshua was then a popular form of the name Yehoshua and was "one of the common names in the time of the Second Temple."[30] In discussing whether it was remarkable to find a tomb with the name of Jesus (the particular ossuary in question bears the inscription "Yehuda bar Yeshua"), he pointed out that the name had been found 71 times in burial caves from that time period.[31]

Thus, both the full form Yehoshua and the abbreviated form Yeshua were in use during the Gospel period – and in relation to the same person, as in the Hebrew Bible references to Yehoshua/Yeshua son of Nun, and Yehoshua/Yeshua the high priest in the days of Ezra. An argument in favor of the Hebrew reduced form ישוע‬ Yeshua, as opposed to Yehoshua, is the West Syriac dialect in which the pronunciation is Yeshu` /jeʃuʕ/.
 

crossfire

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What evidence or teaching is there to point to the idea that who we call 'Jesus' was actually a man called 'Yeshua', and whose original teachings are Eastern (ie 'Dharmic') in origin? The so-called '18 missing years' of Jesus is highly suspect; it is the Son of God living in a total vacuum amongst his family and neighbors. The Christian scriptures are silent, while we have a number of accounts and reports from the East as to his whereabouts and activities.

(Note: This thread is a departure from the DIR thread: "Jesus in the Dharmic religions")

How should we view Jesus in the Dharmic Religions?
The gospels do mention Jesus's family spending time in Egypt, most likely in Alexandria. Jesus may have spent time studying in the Library at Alexandria (or offshoots of the great library,) where writings from Buddhists sent to Alexandria by King Ashoka (documentation for this exists) might have been kept.
 

Desert Snake

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In the Bible,
Matthew 1:23
His name shall be Immanuel
Which means, God with us
Matthew 1:25
And He was called Jesus

The Jesus name being Yeshua theory, is that Jesus's name, isn't the same meaning, as Immanuel.

Directly contradicting Scripture, in other words.
 
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godnotgod

Thou art That
The gospels do mention Jesus's family spending time in Egypt, most likely in Alexandria. Jesus may have spent time studying in the Library at Alexandria (or offshoots of the great library,) where writings from Buddhists sent to Alexandria by King Ashoka (documentation for this exists) might have been kept.

The Buddhist monks sent to Egypt and Greece were Theravada Buddhists, who were healers. As I understand it, they eventually became an Essene community called the Therapeutae, carrying the healing tradition forward. The modern day Essenes claim that the northern Essenes of Mt. Carmel, which was a mystical sect, had contact with the Therapeutae. The Mt. Carmel monastery, Order of the Nazorean Essenes, was a family monastery, where it is claimed the Jesus, Mary, and Joseph lived, worked, and taught. There was no city or town of Nazareth at the time. Instead, there was a tent city on the slopes of Mt. Carmel which was an Essene devotee community, and which some think to be what was then 'Nazareth', Mt. Carmel being just 10 miles outside of modern day Nazareth. It may have been the Therapeutae from which Yeshua acquired his healing arts. It may also be that one of the Therapeutae monasteries or a Coptic churches in Egypt where the holy family fled to. Can't remember exactly which one made that claim.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Yeshua is actually Joshua in Hebrew not Jesus or perhaps it could be like Jesus to Chuy in Spanish....Chuy is a nickname.

The name his friends, disciples, and family used to refer to him as, was Yeshu, a Galilean Aramaic dialect. But since the letter 'J' did not exist until the 17th century, no one ever spoke the literal name of 'Jesus'.
 

Desert Snake

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The Yoheshua/Joshua theory,
Is derived from putting a 'sh' to the Greek, Iesou/Iesous

The theory being that the Greek transliteration, lacking the 'sh', is a tranliteration of Yeshu.

From Yeshu, the theory derives Yeshua, Yoheshua, and Joshua.

Completely not taking into account the inherent meaning of Jesus's name, ie that He is an aspect of JHVH.
 
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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
The name his friends, disciples, and family used to refer to him as, was Yeshu, a Galilean Aramaic dialect. But since the letter 'J' did not exist until the 17th century, no one ever spoke the literal name of 'Jesus'.

I know the letter does not exist
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
The Yoheshua/Joshua theory,
Is derived from putting a 'sh' to the Greek, Iesou/Iesous

The theory being that the Greek transliteration, lacking the 'sh', is a tranliteration of of Yeshu.

From Yeshu, theory derives Yeshua, Yoheshua, and Joshua.

Completely not taking into account the inherent meaning of Jesus's name, ie that He is an aspect of JHVH.

@Tumah is this correct?
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
It is interesting that so many Christians never question the scholarship of Jesus 's name, theorized as being Yeshua.

In the Bible,
Matthew 1:23
His name shall be Immanuel
Which means, God with us
Matthew 1:25
And He was called Jesus

The Jesus name being Yeshua theory, is that Jesus's name, isn't the same meaning, as Immanuel.

Directly contradicting Scripture, in other words.

"The several etyms of the name of Jesus/Issa in Sanskrit reveal the Indian origin of both his myth and his onomastic. Isha (or Ishan or Ishwa) means "Lord", as we already said. Emmanuel or Manuel derives from Manu-el, that is "Lord Manu", meaning "Saviour Lord". Ishva (read "Ishwa") means "Master" ( = Rabbi, a frequent designative of Christ). Ishi (or Isha) means "Rishi", that is, "the one who reveals the Evangels", like the Seven Rishis, who preceded him, and whose myth he copied."

http://www.rickrichards.com/jc/JesusComment2.html
 
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