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Being non-religious, what should be done in regards to religious people?

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Maybe its my paranoia but Orwell's 1984 left an impression on me. The thought that everybody must comply to a specific way of thinking, reasoning, and logic. I know some religions pack that kind of pressure. However i wonder if there are secular people who want to go down the road of rightspeak, and so forth.

My major hope is that mind programmers are in the minority.

As much as we would want to think that George Orwell was writing about a fictitious future, we have to come to terms with the fact that "Big Brother" already knows everything about us....and we have supplied all this information without realizing it. "BB" has all the technology right now for the implementation of a totalitarian regime to take control of our lives. And you know the scary part? The Bible actually predicts that "BB" will rule for a short time...a single global government will take control of earth's affairs by deception, promising "Peace and Security" but delivering only forced obedience to its rules.

In the Revelation (which speaks about the times we are living in right now) it tells about the political elements of the world turning on religion and eliminating it. "Babylon the great" is the devil's empire of false worship. She is pictured as a prostitute because of her friendship with the world. (James 4:4; Revelation 17:16-18; 18:4)

After dispatching religion.....

"And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name". (Revelation 13:16-17)

Freedom will no longer exist. Because our livelihoods will depend on compliance, it will be extremely difficult to survive unless we do as we are told. :(

There may come a time when people are considered justifiably religious, or unjustifiably religious.

It could come to a point where no one is permitted to express or practice a religious belief outside of their own mind and heart. Once Babylon the great is destroyed, there will be no place on earth to practice any religious beliefs publicly.

I watched an interview with Richard Dawkins recently where the interviewer asked him what he thought of the fact that people are losing faith, not only in religion, but in politics, science, medicine and a range of other institutions that were previously considered trustworthy. He said that he feared what that meant for the future.

It is as if "perception management" is now wearing off as people become more savvy about what is really going on in this world. They are tired of being treated like 'mushrooms'. The end times are filled with so much conflict....that an offer of "peace and security" will seem very desirable. (1 Thessalonians 5:3)
On Guard Against “Peace and Security” as Devised by Nations — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

It seems that at some time one group of people will want to officiate what other people do. That is not very democratic though.

Its interesting, there is always a democratic answer, but many people will instead choose a power mongering authoritarian answer instead.

People want to be ruled by a strong hand but that hand has to be fair. Once they consent to the implementation of a global body that will rule with absolute authority, (given to it by all the nations,) with the data that they have collected on everyone, no one will be able to do or say a thing against them without reprisal. Totalitarianism will be the last stand of human government before Christ steps in with his authority and sweeps away a world of wicked people. (Daniel 2:44) We will not lift up a hand in opposition, but will allow Jesus to do what he says he will.

But....it is nothing to dread...."there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. 26 People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.” (Luke 21:25-28)

What is coming is something to be anticipated because of what it means for the future of this planet and its inhabitants.
These are exciting times.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do you feel the need to eradicate religion?
No. I regularly dine with friends who are believers, and I respect their right to their point of view, which is almost never relevant anyway.

I retain my deep reservations about fundamentalism, though, and the teaching of nonsense to children that results is something I find deeply offensive.
We seem to be living in an unique time in history where religious people are constantly under fire moreso then at any time in previous history.
Well, they've always been under fire from each other; at times religion has funneled the worst, the most savage, in tribalism ─ a history of the Crusades or the Thirty Years War will underline my point, as will paying attention to who was winning or losing power / money in the process.

In the US religion still seems more on the giving end of the firing than the receiving. Religions of the right have never hesitated to depict nonbelievers as evil, untrustworthy, amoral, immoral, criminal &c and to attribute their atheism to a deliberate ploy by which they can shuck the shackles of morality, and nonsense of that kind.

But meanwhile the rise of cell phones and e-communications has tended to erode the old forms of community, like belonging to Rotary, going to church, and similar gatherings that require physical attendance. At the same time, the rise of US unbelief over the last three decades seems to be steady and uninterupted, and those of the nones who have spiritual emotions but don't associate them with any religion, may be growing even faster.

Those social trends, rather than particular moments of attack or defense, are what will test the churches (as the churches very well know).
Is it right to force people to change their religious beliefs and convictions?
No. History says the marketplace will sort that one out in the end.

On the other hand aspects of individual religions may require legal curbs. Slavery is an old example, female circumcision, disclosure of child abuse, and so on. The right to discriminate against people on religious grounds like sexual orientation, religious belief or ethnicity is under scrutiny around the world,
 
I found the analogy for this question :


You cannot put Al Nuuh AS in the position : before of Al Nabi SAW , but however , you still put Him AS there . Because Al Nabi SAW is Al Khatamun Nabiyyin SAW .
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Wat nonsense. We, quite rightly, judge people all the time.

Judge has a negative connontation in english. When you judge someone, you (as per dictionary) quickly form a bias an personal opinion of them through you lens.

So if I judged you by how you look, Id be forming an opinion based on my own bias. (Which happens say in say forming stereotypes). It is seen negative because many people form opinions about someone or something without asking for clarity or the opinion of another without forming an already made decision to decern whether their opinion is bsed on truth or not.

Instead of judging and forming an negative comment (what non sense), put judgement of whether what is right or wrong aside and ask for clarification to get a better idea of decerning what you disagres with and what you do not.

Its hard to build conversation when we judge each others opinions on our eyes rather than we decern what is right or wrong after clarifying whats said and understood between both parties.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Judge has a negative connontation in english. When you judge someone, you (as per dictionary) quickly form a bias an personal opinion of them through you lens.

So if I judged you by how you look, Id be forming an opinion based on my own bias. (Which happens say in say forming stereotypes). It is seen negative because many people form opinions about someone or something without asking for clarity or the opinion of another without forming an already made decision to decern whether their opinion is bsed on truth or not.

Instead of judging and forming an negative comment (what non sense), put judgement of whether what is right or wrong aside and ask for clarification to get a better idea of decerning what you disagres with and what you do not.

Its hard to build conversation when we judge each others opinions on our eyes rather than we decern what is right or wrong after clarifying whats said and understood between both parties.
I disagree. It seems to me that judging people is an essential skill for dealing with the world. Far from signifying bias, it should imply reasoned conclusions based on evidence. What I would certainly agree can be problematic is a hasty judgement on inadequate evidence, or on inappropriate criteria, e.g. your example of how somebody looks.

But we all do it, all the time, of necessity. We judge whether we can trust someone, whether what they say is worth listening to (we dismiss the notions of the nutter on Oxford St with a placard telling us that eating meat is the source of sexual infidelity - this was a real case!), whether they will be good at carrying out a task (when you hire a builder), and so on.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
Do you feel the need to eradicate religion? If so , why?

Are religious people profitable to society or not?

How are religious people to be judged?

Is it necessary in todays society to reject religious people?

We seem to be living in an unique time in history where religious people are constantly under fire moreso then at any time in previous history.

Is it right to force people to change their religious beliefs and convictions?

We'd need to ban socialism first.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Do you feel the need to eradicate religion? If so , why?

Nope

Are religious people profitable to society or not?

Yup, all sorts of religious people work in and contribute to society

How are religious people to be judged?

Why do we need to judge them?

Is it necessary in todays society to reject religious people?

Nope

We seem to be living in an unique time in history where religious people are constantly under fire moreso then at any time in previous history.

I don't think it is all that unique

Is it right to force people to change their religious beliefs and convictions?

Nope

Im not religious in a traditional sense, but i have convictions that are certainly not secular.

Maybe its my paranoia but Orwell's 1984 left an impression on me. The thought that everybody must comply to a specific way of thinking, reasoning, and logic. I know some religions pack that kind of pressure. However i wonder if there are secular people who want to go down the road of rightspeak, and so forth.

My major hope is that mind programmers are in the minority.

Who needs a religious or secular class of people pontificating to the masses? YouTube has their fair share of these folks on all sides.

A few things
1) 1984, the book, was published 69 years ago
2) 1984, the book, is a work of science fiction
3) 1984, the year, was 34 years ago

And just where are you seeing, or coming across, mind programmers?

Who are you referring to as a Mind Programmer?
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Nope



Yup, all sorts of religious people work in and contribute to society



Why do we need to judge them?



Nope



I don't think it is all that unique



Nope



A few things
1) 1984, the book, was published 69 years ago
2) 1984, the book, is a work of science fiction
3) 1984, the year, was 34 years ago

And just where are you seeing, or coming across, mind programmers?

Who are you referring to as a Mind Programmer?

A mind programmer uses indoctrination, and high pressure tactics, and techniques to coerce others into a specific way of thinking. cults for example. Or socialist propaganda.
 

Cary Cook

Member
Do you feel the need to eradicate religion? If so , why?

Are religious people profitable to society or not?

How are religious people to be judged?

Is it necessary in todays society to reject religious people?

We seem to be living in an unique time in history where religious people are constantly under fire moreso then at any time in previous history.

Is it right to force people to change their religious beliefs and convictions?
Minds necessarily evolve - truth seeking minds especially. Some need to go thru some crazy **** in order to see why it's crazy.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
A mind programmer uses indoctrination, and high pressure tactics, and techniques to coerce others into a specific way of thinking. cults for example. Or socialist propaganda.

Its way more insidious than that....."perception management" is at work in every product sold through advertising. It can make you desire something that you never knew you even wanted, but now have to have.
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It is used in every political campaign and by those who are charismatic or held in high esteem who have an agenda they wish to promote.....it pays to have a way with words.

We get "sold" things every day without even being aware that our perceptions are being carefully managed to accept them.

In order to know that something is propaganda, you first have to identify it as such. If you believe it, propaganda looks like the truth.
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I believe that people are waking up to this fact and are now accepting things with more caution and less trust than they ever did. That is a good thing.
 
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