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The Form of God

Frater Sisyphus

Frater Sisyphus

Contradiction, irrationality and disorder
God (The All) is impossible to know or understand, as it is beyond everything - it is infinite.

As a Thelemite, I believe in the two 'absolute' dual aspects of God, in their (sic) unity manifest as: Nuit (infinite space, beyond the material world) and Hadit (matter, energy itself) - which are in a way, like the Yin and Yang of Taoism. But then there is also a more personal, less-absolute layer of God known as Ra-Hoor-Khuit (or Horus, for short), which manifests as the sun itself. But ultimately, I don't believe our purpose or goal in life itself is to actually commune with God (in spite of "As Above, So Below") - I believe it is the purpose of Death; to become one with God (The All).

So to get back to the essence of the thread - I believe the Taoist axiom "The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao, The name that can be named is not the eternal name." The absolute, infinite God is not something that words are capable of describing or defining, despite that all religions attempt this (to varying degrees).


It's a strange paradigm but we live our lives separate from God (in a definite sense), even though God is manifest in every single atom and particle in the universe - but we become one with the eternal ecstasy of God when we die.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Yochanan said:
I believe it is Yeshua, the Orthodox Hassidic Jewish guy, Who is Messiah, not the goy knock-off who is pushed as being the same as. NO I do Not practice Christianity.
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To my knowledge, Hassidic Judaism didn't exist at that time. I don't believe Christ was a part of any of the existing Jewish sects in Second Temple Judaism, but started His own movement. What do you think, @Tumah, @Akivah and @Rival?

Either way, a Christian is a follower of Jesus, Who is viewed as the Christ. It doesn't matter how much you wish to make Him akin to modern Rabbinic Judaism. He is still the same Christ as worshipped and adored by Christians throughout the ages.
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
There's some truth to what you say. However, I think you're being pedantic. :D
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Maybe ... but metaphorically speaking; if God were an onion and an onion is in fact something. Then what does that mean when you peel something away until there is nothing?
 
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Yochanan

New Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
To my knowledge, Hassidic Judaism didn't exist at that time. I don't believe Christ was a part of any of the existing Jewish sects in Second Temple Judaism, but started His own movement. What do you think, @Tumah, @Akivah and @Rival?

Either way, a Christian is a follower of Jesus, Who is viewed as the Christ. It doesn't matter how much you wish to make Him akin to modern Rabbinic Judaism. He is still the same Christ as worshipped and adored by Christians throughout the ages.
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You didn't read, did you?
Besides what makes rabbinic Judaism the official brand simply because it is dominant? Even within rabbinism there are multiple sects. Even amongst the Orthodox. There are also Karaite Jews. Whose is correct? From the time of the Hasmoneans, if not earlier, there have been varying sects of Judaism, but all were Judaism. No different here. Bottom line, none of you define me. You can only define yourself.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Yochanan said:
It inspires me to encourage & help others be closer to G-d. And that reminds me that I'm not as close as I can be, that I, too, have lots of room to grow. So, yes.
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How does telling someone they are at ignorance of knowing they are in the image of god and your comment on atheiem encourage and help others follow god?
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
74x12 said:
Then how did He make man in His own (non-existent) image?
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See Ex. 8:16, 14:31, Num. 9:18, Deut. 11:12, Jer. 3:15, Isa. 66:1, Psa. 34:17, Job 36:32 for examples of various body parts that are used as metaphors for various ways G-d administers the world.

This is why I think Kabbalah can be wrong (even for Judaism) because it says God is the Ein Sof. When the God of Moses is identifiable and personal. Is God Endless? Yes. An Infinite Mind? I believe it. But knowable through His favor. Not knowable through our own exertions.
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These are topics that you don't know enough about in order to decide whether they are right or wrong (f course, not that I'd suspect you of agreeing to it even if you did understand it as you're not Jewish). G-d Himself is not called Ein Sof and G-d is personal in Judaism.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Yochanan said:
You didn't read, did you?
Besides what makes rabbinic Judaism the official brand simply because it is dominant? Even within rabbinism there are multiple sects. Even amongst the Orthodox. There are also Karaite Jews. Whose is correct? From the time of the Hasmoneans, if not earlier, there have been varying sects of Judaism, but all were Judaism. No different here. Bottom line, none of you define me. You can only define yourself.
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One of the defining marks of Judaism is that they reject Jesus as the Messiah. Otherwise, they would be Christians.
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
74x12 said:
Maybe ... but metaphorically speaking; if God were an onion and an onion is in fact something. Then what does that mean when you peel something away until there is nothing?
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In this case, I meant for the "nothing" to be taken in two senses. First, as possibly simple non-existence. That is, there is no core to the onion because god does not exist. Second, as possibly mystery. That is, there is no core to the onion because god, while existing, is truly beyond comprehension.
 
Frater Sisyphus

Frater Sisyphus

Contradiction, irrationality and disorder
Woberts said:
That appears to be a doctored image. Luckily, I have the original right here.
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Which also appears to be a ripped-off painting, here is the original:


the_destruction_of_adam_by_christopher_stoll-d80cocu.jpg
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
So I woke and came back to this thread. Maybe trolling the 'Tue Jew' wasn't the best, most mature midnight idea I ever had, and I'm sort of sorry. But only sort of. Was he not expecting to be called out by someone? Perhaps next time I should leave such things to others. But thanks anyway to @Saint Frankenstein and @RabbiO and @Tumah.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
One of the defining marks of Judaism is that they reject Jesus as the Messiah. Otherwise, they would be Christians.
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Christianity is a type of 'Judaism'. From Judah. Accepting Jesus as the Messiah does not mean their religion is not 'Judaic'.

/for example, Hell belief, not eternal Hell, modern Judaism, and eternal Hell, Christianity, are both differing beliefs, and both from Judaic origin. The Christians do not have a 'non- Judaic' Hell belief, it's just a different belief from the same overall Hebraic religious paradigm.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Phantasman said:
Not Bible, Gospel. There is a difference. Religions are of men.
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Accept when it is asked, 'what is your religion', it means what are your religious beliefs. This seems similar to how atheism changed meaning from the Greek original, after the word was already in usage.

/ie word definition issue
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
syncretic said:
Christianity is a type of 'Judaism'. From Judah. Accepting Jesus as the Messiah does not mean their religion is not 'Judaic'.

/for example, Hell belief, not eternal Hell, modern Judaism, and eternal Hell, Christianity, are both differing beliefs, and both from Judaic origin. The Christians do not have a 'non- Judaic' Hell belief, it's just a different belief from the same overall Hebraic religious paradigm.
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:facepalm:

Do you still delete your posts? If so, you should delete this.
 
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