Slavery was a choice

suncowiam said:

I'm going to give some time on this. Then I will conclude my own opinions, then.

Again, let me repeat... What he said was wrong but I want to see how this plays out concerning his mental illness before I say further.

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ok

Curious George said:

I don't think Kanye is from "the hood."

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"To think is not to know"

-Yoda

Epic Beard Man said:

Dude you are all over the place with this post!

The people you are describing could perhaps be lazy individuals who are simply living off the system but that is cross cultural and most certainly not a cultural trait. Their behavior is no different than if I had a "sugar momma" giving me money and a place to stay and telling me not to work. Same thing different circumstance. The point is your post had nothing to do with the subject matter. This had nothing to do with the history of your grand-parents, nor the fools that are living off government assistance. This is about a celebrity that made an ill-advised comment on national television.

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I was responding to a different post than the OP and accused of "racism"...though I was pointing out facts, and I'm not racist.

Epic Beard Man said:

"To think is not to know"

-Yoda

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Well luckily he is famous enough that sources exist concerning his background. Are there any sources that suggest he grew up in "the hood?"

sandy whitelinger said:

This is why inhumanity continues.

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Humanity. That's an interesting word. The humanity I know is brutal, tribal, and warlike. The humanity I know derives the greater bulk of their technology from military applications, and can and will militarize anything useful to that end, both literally on the grand scale and figuratively on an interpersonal one.

The economy you enjoy that allows you to post on the internet from a comfortable home is a result of fierce dog eat dog capitalism built on the figurative bodies of workers and literal bodies of those effected by things such as large scale polution or being displaced from their homes.

Humanity.. is both brutal and merciless, self serving and warlike.


The idea of the world holding hands and universal love and compassion for all is anything but 'humanity'

If it we're not so we would not have people angry about things that happened to people hundreds of years ago based solely on a certain 'tribe', based on nothing but the shared color of their skins.

And hillariously, such blatently racist people are always the first to see racism in every shadow.

PopeADope said:

I was responding to a different post than the OP and accused of "racism"...though I was pointing out facts, and I'm not racist.

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I didn't accuse you....But I think when you were pointing out things that were not relevant to the thread and then agreed with another poster who made racist undertones in his response to me perhaps that is why there was some thoughts were or could be racist. Funny how you can make insensitive remark regarding the subject matter which had nothing to do with you but you want people to show mercy for your own personal demons.....Oh the irony

Curious George said:

Well luckily he is famous enough that sources exist concerning his background. Are there any sources that suggest he grew up in "the hood?"

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By hood I meant atl

Satans_Serrated_Edge said:

Humanity. That's an interesting word. The humanity I know is brutal, tribal, and warlike. The humanity I know derives the greater bulk of their technology from military applications, and can and will militarize anything useful to that end, both literally on the grand scale and figuratively on an interpersonal one.

The economy you enjoy that allows you to post on the internet from a comfortable home is a result of fierce dog eat dog capitalism built on the figurative bodies of workers and literal bodies of those effected by things such as large scale polution or being displaced from their homes.

Humanity.. is both brutal and merciless, self serving and warlike.


The idea of the world holding hands and universal love and compassion for all is anything but 'humanity'

If it we're not so we would not have people angry about things that happened to people hundreds of years ago based solely on a certain 'tribe', based on nothing but the shared color of their skins.

And hillariously, such blatently racist people are always the first to see racism in every shadow.

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Another ignorant fallacy "to talk about racism is being racist" is a common deflection that a lot of white supremacists use just like "anti-racism is anti-white" or and this is my favorite "multi-culturalism is white genocide"

Oh the logic of the supposed high IQ "master race."

Satans_Serrated_Edge said:

Humanity. That's an interesting word. The humanity I know is brutal, tribal, and warlike. The humanity I know derives the greater bulk of their technology from military applications, and can and will militarize anything useful to that end, both literally on the grand scale and figuratively on an interpersonal one.

The economy you enjoy that allows you to post on the internet from a comfortable home is a result of fierce dog eat dog capitalism built on the figurative bodies of workers and literal bodies of those effected by things such as large scale polution or being displaced from their homes.

Humanity.. is both brutal and merciless, self serving and warlike.


The idea of the world holding hands and universal love and compassion for all is anything but 'humanity'

If it we're not so we would not have people angry about things that happened to people hundreds of years ago based solely on a certain 'tribe', based on nothing but the shared color of their skins.

And hillariously, such blatently racist people are always the first to see racism in every shadow.

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You would definately earn your hillbilly card around my backwoods. You're a piece of work.

Epic Beard Man said:

Oh the logic of the supposed high IQ "master race."

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bwahahahahaha.

Epic Beard Man said:

I didn't accuse you....But I think when you were pointing out things that were not relevant to the thread and then agreed with another poster who made racist undertones in his response to me perhaps that is why there was some thoughts were or could be racist. Funny how you can make insensitive remark regarding the subject matter which had nothing to do with you but you want people to show mercy for your own personal demons.....Oh the irony

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You have clear insights and a lucid way of explaining it. Kudos.

PopeADope said:

I was responding to a different post than the OP and accused of "racism"...though I was pointing out facts, and I'm not racist.

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If you are referring to me, I made no such claim as you being racist. This is a clear case of your misinterpretations. I accuse you of using straw man arguments about heritage to mask a more coherent discussion of real current events.

Am I clear enough for you?

PopeADope said:

What happened was, I was reading the posts on this thread, and a valid point was brought up that was indicating that some people are doing far better today, than they would be doing in Africa, had their ancestors not been brought to America.

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And I see this a a dodge of the real discussion of ongoing discrimination as well as veiled superiority that says a person is better off being treated subhumanly in America.

Epic Beard Man said:

Another ignorant fallacy "to talk about racism is being racist" is a common deflection that a lot of white supremacists use just like "anti-racism is anti-white" or and this is my favorite "multi-culturalism is white genocide"

Oh the logic of the supposed high IQ "master race."

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Personally, if I were to assume there was a race that had a higher IQ, it isn't mine, I'm quite impressed with Asians and Jews on average more than my own ethnicity.

And my posts were not entirely off topic, because the op is about slavery, and someone brought up a point that indicated there are people who are quite fortunate that their ancestors were brought to America.

I'm saying I run into those people on a daily basis.

And since the title of this thread involves slavery, I thought it was necessary to point out that a lot of people of European descent, hundreds of thousands even, shed their blood to free the slaves.

From what I've read, America has done more than any Nation to establish equal rights.

I see Western Civilization doing a better job than anyone else at caring for the poor, providing healthcare, plumbing, shelter, food, education, and increasing the quality of life of people, including myself, who otherwise would have died off.

Which is why people are flocking to America and Europe.

I've seen a lot of slavery, hunger, oppression of women, and corrupt regimes in my lifetime, and I don't see that taking place in America and Europe. I do see it running rampant in Africa.

You can say it is off topic, but one of the topics of the original post is slavery, and stating that some people are better off as a result of their ancestors being brought to America is quite applicable, but something few people dare to say, due to the political correctness that runs rampant in our culture. Yet it is an obvious fact to anyone who has studied the poverty, the war, the corrupt regimes, the water scarcity, the hunger, the tribal conflicts, the slavery, the illiteracy, the bigotry, and the ignorance, that runs rampant in Africa. Europeans do not have a monopoly on slavery and bigotry, it is found in every culture.

I think that is a point worth mentioning, and is totally on topic with an issue in the original post.

Satans_Serrated_Edge said:

Humanity. That's an interesting word. The humanity I know is brutal, tribal, and warlike. The humanity I know derives the greater bulk of their technology from military applications, and can and will militarize anything useful to that end, both literally on the grand scale and figuratively on an interpersonal one.

The economy you enjoy that allows you to post on the internet from a comfortable home is a result of fierce dog eat dog capitalism built on the figurative bodies of workers and literal bodies of those effected by things such as large scale polution or being displaced from their homes.

Humanity.. is both brutal and merciless, self serving and warlike.


The idea of the world holding hands and universal love and compassion for all is anything but 'humanity'

If it we're not so we would not have people angry about things that happened to people hundreds of years ago based solely on a certain 'tribe', based on nothing but the shared color of their skins.

And hillariously, such blatently racist people are always the first to see racism in every shadow.

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And this is your justification for the substandard treatment of other humans. I think we all are clear on just where you stand.

PopeADope said:

And my posts were not entirely off topic, because the op is about slavery...

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And this is where the mistake began. The op is about some stupid statements by a man of privilege who ignored the reality of others in less fortunate circumstances than himself.

sandy whitelinger said:

And I see this a a dodge of the real discussion of ongoing discrimination as well as veiled superiority that says a person is better off being treated subhumanly in America.

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I'm not dodging anything.

The racist comments that the original post is objecting to, I've already declared to be idiotic.

I feel for those who are treated subhumanly, but in my personal experience I have seen American government and Western civilization doing an excellent job at establishing equal rights.

Better than I see in places like Africa, the middle East, and Asia.

I'm quite proud of my country, and I get annoyed when people focus so much on things like slavery, but disregard the beauty of the Civil Rights Movement, and the efforts of so many people of European descent to end discrimination even to the point of shedding their own blood.

I feel that focusing too much on things like slavery is actually bad for race relations.

Europeans played an extremely vital role in putting an end to slavery and white privilege, and I feel it's often overlooked.

sandy whitelinger said:

And this is where the mistake began. The op is about some stupid statements by a man of privilege who ignored the reality of others in less fortunate circumstances than himself.

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Just look at the title of this thread. Slavery is one of the issues of the Op.

Another member of The Forum made a post that was indicating that some people are better off as a result of their ancestors being brought from Africa to America.

He brought up a point that I think a lot of people overlook.

That happens in Forum threads all the time. Someone brings up a post that is slightly related to the opening post, while at the same time introducing a totally new discussion.

It is rare that such posts do not come up in a thread.

Satans_Serrated_Edge said:

Ironically enough, that is a swell example of a straw man(pay attention now). I did not assert "all"Africans live in mud huts.There are however still plenty of tribal Africans that do, and that means it's a real example of how some Africans live, and therefore perfectly valid by contrast.

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Do tell, what did you mean by they'd be living in mud huts?

Satans_Serrated_Edge said:

But even if we were to compare the best Africa has to offer, say Cairo(which is properly part of middle eastern/Muslim culture rather than black African) or Johannesburg (which was under Dutch rule until recently) with the worst America has to offer(say East Detroit) how would they stack up do you think?

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Your opinions, at least we know you have lots of them.

Satans_Serrated_Edge said:

Quality of life? Healthcare? Safey? Human rights?

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Moving goalposts to cover for your ignorant statements is all par course I guess.

suncowiam said:

What he said was wrong but I want to see how this plays out concerning his mental illness before I say further.

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Now this is sick....This is when Van checked him....

@sandy whitelinger @PopeADope @Sunstone

I want everyone who thinks that blacks don't care about black crime I hope they see this....Van is spot on!