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What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?

eating shell fish is punishable by death in the Bible a book Christians believe in.
I find no issue with that. From my perspective the Bible contains two testaments, like that of a person and their salvation – there is the period before they are saved, and there is the period after. Both periods matter, but only that period after which they are saved is relevant.

So please, go on.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Interesting. I was unaware there is Jewish scripture which prophetically condemns this belief, that Jesus is the Christ who died for us.

Could you cite that scripture for me, please?
Prophetically condemns? Well, there is text that condemns the false prophet (Jesus qualifies). That would be in Deut 18 I think. It would be hard to condemn a particular non-entity, but it also says in Deut 24 that a man dies for his own sins so that would invalidate the claim that anyone would "die for us." Then you have all the requirements for a messiah, which Jesus doesn't fulfill so the text would condemn the lies. What else were you looking for? Since the entire of the Jewish written bible never mentions Jesus, he isn't condemned by name. But Judaism as a religion rejects him and condemns his claims which seemed to be what you were claiming did not happen.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe that God went political in order to prove a point; that politics cannot save a nation from corruption and redeem it. The Law that Moses handed to Israel was a measure of governance, and political in nature. Israel wanted to be saved from corruption, and yet, they felt it was impossible without some application of jurisprudence. Therefore God is like a parent, showing a headstrong child that their method is futile; and once proven wrong, the child becomes attentive to a new, fruitful method.

The fruitful method is the Spirit of God.
Setting aside other problematic things here, you are suggesting that the Torah is not eternal. It is. The Israelites were commanded to follow it then and they are to follow it now. So that kind of disproves your entire argument.

Exodus 31:16:
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 12:23-25:
For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you. And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and thy sons for ever. And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the Lord will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.

Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always.

etc.
 
Setting aside other problematic things here, you are suggesting that the Torah is not eternal. It is. The Israelites were commanded to follow it then and they are to follow it now. So that kind of disproves your entire argument.

Exodus 31:16:
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 12:23-25:
For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you. And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and thy sons for ever. And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the Lord will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.

Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always.

etc.
I believe the Law, in its principle, is eternal.

"Examine the scriptures, since you think that in them you have eternal life. They also testify about me, yet you don’t want to come to me so that you can have life.

“I don’t accept praise from people, but I know you, that you don’t have God’s love in you. I have come in my Father’s name, and you don’t receive me. If others come in their own name, you receive them. How can you believe when you receive praise from each other but don’t seek the praise that comes from the only God?

“Don’t think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, the one in whom your hope rests. If you believed Moses, you would believe me, because Moses wrote about me. If you don’t believe the writings of Moses, how will you believe my words?” [John 5:39–47]
 
Prophetically condemns? Well, there is text that condemns the false prophet (Jesus qualifies). That would be in Deut 18 I think. It would be hard to condemn a particular non-entity, but it also says in Deut 24 that a man dies for his own sins so that would invalidate the claim that anyone would "die for us." Then you have all the requirements for a messiah, which Jesus doesn't fulfill so the text would condemn the lies. What else were you looking for? Since the entire of the Jewish written bible never mentions Jesus, he isn't condemned by name. But Judaism as a religion rejects him and condemns his claims which seemed to be what you were claiming did not happen.
I was referring to the fact that Islamic scripture specifically addresses the subject of Jesus' nature, whereas Judaic scripture does not, specifically.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
The woman harmed her husband and transgressed the law. The law has a prescribed consequence for this. The woman knew what she was doing and what the outcome would be.
It was overkill, though. Besides, Jesus isn't saying she doesn't deserve it. He was pointing out the hypocrisy. It sounds more like he was accusing all of them of having a "piece of the pie" and only blaming the "pie" for it. They weren't chasing down the guy, after all. And even though I agree with you she was (partly) at fault, stoning an adulterer is a bit much. It doesn't fit at all. Just divorce the woman. Problem solved.

G-d gave the Jewish people a bunch of unjust laws to follow, is that what you're saying? Then sent some guy along thousands of years later to say, 'Sorry guys, just kidding!'
Even if the laws are just, death is a consequence for the pettiest of reasons. Surely civilized people can do better.

Israel wanted to be saved from corruption
Not really. They were unhappily dragged around for 40 years on a 2 week journey just so a religious terrorist could avoid a murder charge in his home country.

they felt it was impossible without some application of jurisprudence
The ironic thing is Egypt had more rights than Hebrews wanted.
 
Ok, who will regulate it then? Of course the government with input of ideas and opinion of the community activists. I cant include hedonistic bodies.
No regulation at all.
It is enough that society condemns it.

Many things sound good in theory, but when put into practice they become corrupt and evil. Take communism for example.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Interesting. I was unaware there is Jewish scripture which prophetically condemns this belief, that Jesus is the Christ who died for us.

Could you cite that scripture for me, please?


Really...I find shocking when Christians ask Jews to acknowledge Jesus' existence...not to mention that He was the Messiah...
and btw...in the OT there is absolutely no reference to the Christian concept of Messiah explained by John the evangelist.
 
Really...I find shocking when Christians ask Jews to acknowledge Jesus' existence...not to mention that He was the Messiah...
and btw...in the OT there is absolutely no reference to the Christian concept of Messiah explained by John the evangelist.
Perhaps they ask for acknowledgment because he is the most noble person to have lived, not to mention being a Jew, and yet the Jews reject him. As for me though, asking for acknowledgment – I was not asking.

And by the way, start a thread and you and I can discuss the Messiah, as explained by John the Evangelist. I can explain how God is creating a new heaven and a new earth, and where in the OT that Christ is foreshadowed.
 

Baroodi

Active Member
No regulation at all.
It is enough that society condemns it.

Many things sound good in theory, but when put into practice they become corrupt and evil. Take communism for example.


:):):)

OK
Adultery now is legal in many parts of the world as long as the 2 doing it consented, are you happy? many are seeking now DNA testing to make sure they are fostering their genuine sons and daughters.
 

Thaif

Member
Christian version is different.
'OT' has become popular use, but it is insulting to religious Jews.
I'm not fan of Quora but I gave the entry a fair read after following your link. I'm having trouble finding a reference to where religious Jews might find the Protestant version of the Bible insulting. There is some reference to the interpretation of the content but that's really nothing to do with the actual content, maybe you could paste and highlight? Just curious, that's all.
 
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