@stvdv Amen to that. We are all children of God, divine sparks, so we have nothing to lose.
IMHO
So, it’s like you are in control of your destiny, and even after death, you can choose to where ever you want to go.
Based on the Bible those who believed in the Lord Jesus, when they die, go to heaven where God is and unbelievers go to hell where satan is. So, how could they all go to the same place, unless of course, if heaven and hell are in one place, right?
First of all, I don't like it so much if a Christian tries to impose hell and satan on me. Especially after I make very clear that I prefer God and Heaven. And I always very respectfully say
IMHO, to clearly convey the message I am fine with him believing in Hell etc. But I do make clear that he should not impose Hell+Devil on me.
Me being not happy with that, doesn't mean you should say sorry.
Just don't do it again. This I call respect. Doing it again I call evangelizing. I am quite new here (14days), so I quite well remember the rules. One of the rules was "do not Proselytizing"... difficult english word for me, and when I looked it up it seemed to me quite similar to evangelizing.
Below were the lines I talked about. TJ started explaining he likes belief without hell. I agree. And now you start again with Hell+Satan this time. Little difference, I didn't see Satan coming by in this way, but "Hell" for me still the same.
TJ: I agree with you Ken, however the message of the Church down the ages has been, repent, accept Jesus or go to Hell. That sound like love to you.....?
I do understand that's the message of the Church, NOT the message of Jesus.
N: If you don't believe in the Lord Jesus and you die where do you go then?
[Here I feel you start being a little rude, implying TJ doesn't believe in Jesus. TJ makes a clear point that he has a different understanding of the message of Jesus]
T: If you don't believe in Lord Jesus and you die, you still go to the same place IMHO
[Here I answered your question what I believe very nicely]
N: You have nothing to lose
[you answered very nicely, but I got a tiny needle feeling]
T: Amen to that. We are all children of God, divine sparks, so we have nothing to lose. IMHO
[but I always give others advantage of doubt, that's why I took it the positive way]
N: Based on the Bible those who believed in the Lord Jesus, when they die, go to heaven where God is and unbelievers go to hell where satan is. So, how could they all go to the same place, unless of course, if heaven and hell are in one place, right?
[Now it's very obvious that my feelings are perfect and the BIG needle is injected; Hell, devil is imposed again. ]
I do not pretend that I know the Truth. I always write
IMHO, to make that very obvious. But like you I also have a belief. Mine is different than yours. That's all there is. Both are belief systems, so we both don't know for sure. I am dutch, but this much I know of the english language. If you are sure you better call it "my truth system", you don't call it "my belief system". Even this (my) here implies then that it is not the universal truth but a personal truth. So then you can claim "my truth is the only truth". This implies that you studied all scriptures and all wise saints in detail. Not just studied, you interpreted them with a precision only God can do. You still want to continue with this claim? And I can tell you with an accuracy of 100% that you have not done that. So no ordinary human, in a sane mind, can ever make that claim [even when photographic memory living 120 years]. But in all humility I will add
IMHO
If you still believe your religion is the only truth, then please at least have a look at the link below [so you can claim that you did read a miniscule part of another religion].
Logos and Aum
To answer your question: NO. I do not believe in "heaven and hell are in one place", because I do not believe in hell in the first place (as being a physical place). Of course I do not deny that hell exists in your mind. And I do not deny that it is for you a total 100% sure reality. I do believe that if you believe in hell in your mind, that this can result that you even feel yourself in hell from time to time. You can even get halucinations of hell and devils and demons. You can even have nightmares with your eyes open. Some even develop
schizophrenia, and for them it is real, which I do not deny as being true to them.
So in a way you might be right. Hell does exist,if you believe that the ultimate truth is like the sum total of all the personal beliefs the individuals have (adding all the beliefs to come and all kind of truth I can't foresee now).
To answer another point you bring up. I do believe in God. I believe God to be "Unconditional Love". In my little english understanding this means "God loves me without a condition". So no need to be Christian or believe in Jesus. Nowhere did I read that God declared "I Love you unconditionally but put you in Hell with Satan IF you are not a Christian"
I can not make it any clearer than this. Please do continue with your belief in Hell and Satan and Devil. I am totally fine with that. But please don't try to get me hooked into your belief. I rather stick to God. For me this is least complicated and most fun and that's just how I happen to believe.
Namastee
Taco
