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Why is it the Jews are always seen as victims and the Muslims the aggressors?
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Phantasman
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They're both aggressors in my opinion.Jews
-Enslaved by the Egyptians
-Had their Holy Synagogue destroyed by the Babylonians and then the Romans
-Murdered by Chimielniki in Ukraine
-Almost wiped out in Western Europe by Hitler
Muslims
- Wiped out the pagans of Arabia
- Sold blacks as slaves
- Took over Persia and forced the Zoroastrians to flee or convert
- Oppressed the Hindus,Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains of the India during the Mughal era
- Forcibly converted Indonesia's Buddhist and Hindus
- Attack the West because the West promotes coexistence and secularism
Yet when the Jews (the minority) claim the majority of land in a Muslim country (when they only purchased 6% of it) and illegally encroach upon Muslim settlements the Jews are the victims?!
Land is a kingdom of the world, which Christ told us had no value in spirituality.
shmogie
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Excellent point. Sadly, human history has proven that who has the power to survive does, and who cannot defend what they have loses it. Again from the standpoint of history, there is no right or wrong about it, it is just what naturally occurs. Is this somehow a version of the survival of the fittest ? I don´t know, again, it is just the way humanity operates.
shmogie
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Doesn´t that itch ? Tried it a few times, had to shave it off !
socharlie
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I said Zionists not Jews. I am a Jew myself.
What are you talking about? Plenty of people see Israelis as colonizers committing genocide against Palestinians. That's very common from the left. On the right, some are supportive of Israel but others see the Jews as tools of their crank end times prophecies or just hate the Jews as they always have.
shmogie
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A strictly religious view could be that the Jews, as the chosen people of God have been the victims of pogroms and atrocities fomented by the Spiritual enemies of God for almost 2,000 years.
The Bible said Israel would be re established, and this idea was a joke from 70 AD, till 1948 AD. No one is laughing about it now.
The Bible also says that when the temple is rebuilt in the re established Israel, some very, very interesting things will occur.
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On the other hand, I, rosends, Tumah, metis, Jayhawker Soule, and dantech can only wonder why we were not. Not that I, for one, am complaining, but it is a puzzlement.
Why am I not?
Phantasman
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I guess, if you're a Bible believer. The Gospels (canon and non) doesn't address such stuff.
Good point. Also comforting. For a moment there I thought I had gotten voted out of the tribe.
Shabbat Shalom.
Ellen Brown
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Jews
-Enslaved by the Egyptians
-Had their Holy Synagogue destroyed by the Babylonians and then the Romans
-Murdered by Chimielniki in Ukraine
-Almost wiped out in Western Europe by Hitler
Muslims
- Wiped out the pagans of Arabia
- Sold blacks as slaves
- Took over Persia and forced the Zoroastrians to flee or convert
- Oppressed the Hindus,Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains of the India during the Mughal era
- Forcibly converted Indonesia's Buddhist and Hindus
- Attack the West because the West promotes coexistence and secularism
Yet when the Jews (the minority) claim the majority of land in a Muslim country (when they only purchased 6% of it) and illegally encroach upon Muslim settlements the Jews are the victims?!
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I don't know enough about this to give references, but as a slacker Muslim, the version of history I've heard is unsurprisingly different to the Judeo/christian story. Being old, and American, I snicker at the idea that Islam is the best religion. People should choose freely and that's it. Not all Jews are Zionists, and if Christians did not ignorantly support the idea that the land belongs to Israel, perhaps there would not be an Israel today. It's been a while, and I can't remember his name, but some prominent Jewish scholar said on Youtube that Israel lost rights to the land at the beginning of the diaspora.
Let the fun begin.
@ronki23, as @Kirran, @David1967,.and @Jumi have pointed out, your OP takes a complex, nuanced topic and reduces it to a farce. And "farce" is putting it diplomatically. If this by some miracle should turn into a helpful, useful, or fruitful discussion, it won't be because you started it as one.
Nah...it's a real perspective, but dependent upon where one lives
& gets one's news. Spend much time at Fox or OAN, & one knows
that Muslims are perps, & Jews are noble victims. Spend more
time at NPR, & it's much different. Thus, it's worth discussing.
First, I am not speaking here as someone whose claims to be an authority on this issue. But I have questions.
I do not think Israel had a right to the land in 1948 solely based on former occupation of it, but what would you do about the millions of Jewish Israelis who have now been born on the land? Would it not be as great of an injustice to kick them off it as it has been an injustice to kick Palestinians born on their land off their land? I do not think there is any easy or simple formula for determining rights here.
"Parasites on the body of humanity"? Really? The manner in which your reduce humans to "parasites" based on their birth group is telling.
socharlie
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You know they around as their activity is clear for those who know their MO. Jews and Christians who support them are deceived as that what said in Rev. 3 "they say they are Jews but they are not" Zionists are running this world through banking system.
I don't like labels much. Calling a person a Jew or even a Zionist doesn't really mean anything. I suppose maybe to the person identifying as such, but whatever that is, is personal. The word "Jew" provides no real information about a person.
So IMO one should identify the person or persons involved along with what they actually did. And, if they happen to consider themselves a Jew there's no reason to think that's representative of any other person who happens to consider themselves Jewish or Zionist or Sabbatian.
It's hard to know how to provide justice for events in the past, especially from centuries ago. It's also hard to select a date at which we just forget the past and start over.
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