socharlie
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I think the Second Chechen war ended in 2009, Russian military part ended 2000-2001, then it became local.
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Cuban Missile Crisis II
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socharlie
Active Member
The Second war started when 400 of what here in the West called terrorists (wahhabist ) crossed the border.
shmogie
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Then how do you propose to change the Constitution regarding elections ?
shmogie
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Good, then I witdraw the comments
shmogie
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Absolute speculation
There is no need to change the Constitution to make the election democratic.
It's mostly done already.
Answering Myths
Tom
shmogie
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shmogie
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Of course they can. Many states do not have a winner take all system now. Nevertheless each state only has a set number of votes in the EC.
To make the election pure popular vote based, where the vote of the states is eliminated, and total popular vote is the standard, would require a change of the Constitution, as I said,.
I am just plain right. I am surprised you did'nt understand the point all along.
No, it wouldn't.
States are free to decide how to select delegates to the Electoral College for themselves. When states representing 270 Electoral College votes decide to vote for the popular vote winner, we'll have a democracy. No need for a Constitutional amendment.
Currently, states with 165 EC votes have passed such legislation.
Tom
shmogie
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The STATES would still elect the president, why is that so hard for you to grasp ? Your vote elects an elector, it doesn';t elect the President. An elector is not even bound to vote for the majority vote of her state in the EC. No matter how you play word games or how you play numbers games the fact remains that for the candidate to be chosen by the DIRECT VOTE of the people, and not the vote of the state electors, a Constitutional amendment is required.
The USA IS NOT a democracy, it is a representative Constitutional Republic, a vastly different and better thing.
States are free to choose democracy.
Or, more correctly, their individual legislatures are free to do so. Nothing to do with the USA Constitution. How hard is that to grasp?
Tom
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Irrelevant. The states are free to select their electors as the choose. The population directly by vote does not select the president. To have an election decided by nation wide popular vote would require an amendment.
Well I'm glad I appeared to be a little over-cautious with regards this. 
Until the next time .........
Until the next time .........
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Escalation has a way of lurching forwarx in fits and starts, but for all our sakes, I hope you're right.Well I'm glad I appeared to be a little over-cautious with regards this.