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Is God Omniscient as people say?

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The better question is, how does something become un-divine?

If something is containing grace and limitless how does it become limited? :D

Angels never were subject to human-like vices, and therefore being a pure spiritual being were never having desires or any sort of thing that plagues humanity. I know what the bible says of the issue, what various faiths say of it, and it still doesn't make sense from a theological perspective.


Maybe it's because the angels have the free will to make choices for themselves, like we do.
And just so happen that the Archangel Lucifer, took upon himself to think he could over take and conquer God.
That now we humans can see the result of that.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
You really got to be kidding, there is no where in Luke 12:7, that says God is all knowing, your a good example how people will take God's word and twist it into what you wish it did say.

Just because the hairs of your head are numbered, does not mean God is all knowing.
It just means the hairs of your head are numbered that's all.
So I guess if someone numbered the hairs of someone's head, that they to would be all knowing also.
You can't be Serious.
How does everyones hair on their head get numbered without omniscience? Seems pretty straightforward.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Look, did I make any mentioning of your Tanakh, no I didn't.
It's not my Tanakh. But Christians take as part of their holy scripture. If you don't, just say so.
So suppose the king of Tyrus was in the garden of Eden of God
So you want to talk about the Tanakh after all. Why make a fuss, then?
So suppose the king of Tyrus was in the garden of Eden of God'.
If we supposed that, we wouldn't be talking about the Tanakh any more. So why would we?
So suppose the king of Tyrus was the anointed cherub that covered the Mercy seat that was at the Throne of God's.
But he wasn't. Nor does the bible anywhere mention an anointed cherub. Are you just making this up, or is there some point to it?
Lucifer was the only anointed cherub that was in the Garden of Eden of God's.
Says who?
Which God called the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. Which deceived Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
According to the Garden story in Genesis, the serpent deceived no one, but spoke only the truth throughout.
 

allfoak

Alchemist
Is God Omniscient as people are being taught in the churches that God is Omniscient, When there is no where in the Bible that makes this claim?
When you know all there is to know about yourself you will be omniscient.
If this were not true there would be no God nor would we have purpose to exist as humans.
We will all become gods eventually, life dictates it.
It forces us to perfection, which is the reason we choose to live as flesh.
The spirit creates the flesh and the flesh creates the spirit.
It's a symbiotic relationship that we willingly enter into for the purpose of becoming omniscient.:)
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
It isnt possible to count the hair on your head let alone everyone on the planet. That's the point.

You can't be Serious.

Exactly who told you that a person can not have the hairs on their head numbered.

Seeing you have no idea or clue, What the book of Luke 12:7, is about, all because you would rather listen to some Pastor that hasn't a clue or idea themselves what
Luke 12:7 is about themselves.

Had you back up to the beginning of Chapter 12 and pick up what the subject and Article is about. Then you might have something. But seeing it's obvious that you didn't.

Christ Jesus is letting his disciples and the people who are there, Not to fear or worry, that God has not forgotten them, That not even one sparrow is forgotten by God.

But even the very hairs of your head are numbered, showing that God has not forgotten those who are his.

Which has nothing to do with God as being omniscient.
But has everything to do with, that God does not forget those, who are his.

As the very hairs on your head are numbered, So are those of God are numbered like the very hair of your head are numbered.

Pastors, Preachers will say, look that of
Luke 12:7 shows God as being omniscient.
That God knows everything about you before you do anything God knows what your going to do, before you do anything.

Which is totally false and a lie.

There is nothing in Luke Chapter 12 that gives indication that God is all knowing.

Luke 12 shows that God does not forget those who are his people.

Like parents, they don't forget who are their children, So it is with God, that God does not forget who is children are either.

So like the hairs on your very head are numbered, Stands in symbolic to those who are numbered of God's.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
A couple of times he admitted he made mistakes, so it's pretty obvious he didn't know those were coming, and being ignorant of them it's pretty hard to maintain he's omniscient.

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Please show the scripture that tells God admits He has done mistake?
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Is God Omniscient as people are being taught in the churches that God is Omniscient, When there is no where in the Bible that makes this claim?

Let's take the book of 1st John 3:20--"For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things"

At first reading this, a person can be lead to believe, that God is omniscient of knowing all things.

But is this actually what it's saying?

In 1st John chapter 3, is speaking about the heart, God knows all things of the heart, Whether it is good or bad intentions.

God searches the heart to see whether it has good intentions or bad intentions.

Then when a person acts upon the intention of their heart, then it becomes evidence that their intention of their heart was either good or bad intentions.

Does this mean, that God knew beforehand what their intention was, No.

What it means, is that God does not know, only until it's revealed in a person heart, What their true intentions are.

Then when a person acts upon their intention of their heart, Then it has come to its fullest discloser of their intention of their heart is.

But until it comes into a person heart, there's no way of knowing whether their intentions are good or bad. It all starts in the heart first.
Only God can know what's in the heart, whether there will be found good intentions or bad intentions.

It's like a person who goes thru life thinking no bad thoughts, Until one day, bad thoughts start to enter their heart.
Now it's starting in their heart.

Now that person has the choice, to either cast it off or follow it thru.to it's fullest discloser on the outside.

So does God know beforehand, what a person is going to do ?

No, only until it's found in their heart, Then God knows their intention of their heart, Whether it's good or bad.

If a person walks around hateing, Then it's in their heart to hate, So God searches the intention of their heart is to hate.
So everything starts in the heart first, Then when the hate has over taken their heart, Then the hate starts to show its fullest discloser on the outside, This is when things really start to happen.

So is God Omniscient, As in knowing all things beforehand, No, not until, good or bad intentions are found in the heart. Then God see into the heart, to know what exactly are the intentions of the heart. Whether they are bad or good intentions.
Let's take the book of Ezekiel 28:15, for a good example.
"You was perfect in your ways from the day that you was created, till iniquity was found in you"

As you can see, God did not know that Lucifer had any iniquity in him, Till Iniquity was found in him, his heart.
So how is God Omniscient ?
As people say?

I think the important thing is to remember that in no book of scripture in any religion that I know does it say that God is Omni-present. That should get people thinking.
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
Is God Omniscient as people are being taught in the churches that God is Omniscient, When there is no where in the Bible that makes this claim?

The Book of Mormon says this:

O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it. (2 Nephi 9:20)

I know that's not the Bible, but FYI nevertheless.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I think the important thing is to remember that in no book of scripture in any religion that I know does it say that God is Omni-present. That should get people thinking.


Your right, this is why you have false Christians and the true Christians.

Your false Christians will follow anything and everything that their Pastor's will tell them.
The true Christians will only follow what Christ Jesus has set down and nothing more.
 

budha3

Member
Is God Omniscient as people are being taught in the churches that God is Omniscient, When there is no where in the Bible that makes this claim?

Let's take the book of 1st John 3:20--"For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things"

At first reading this, a person can be lead to believe, that God is omniscient of knowing all things.

But is this actually what it's saying?

In 1st John chapter 3, is speaking about the heart, God knows all things of the heart, Whether it is good or bad intentions.

God searches the heart to see whether it has good intentions or bad intentions.

Then when a person acts upon the intention of their heart, then it becomes evidence that their intention of their heart was either good or bad intentions.

Does this mean, that God knew beforehand what their intention was, No.

What it means, is that God does not know, only until it's revealed in a person heart, What their true intentions are.

Then when a person acts upon their intention of their heart, Then it has come to its fullest discloser of their intention of their heart is.

But until it comes into a person heart, there's no way of knowing whether their intentions are good or bad. It all starts in the heart first.
Only God can know what's in the heart, whether there will be found good intentions or bad intentions.

It's like a person who goes thru life thinking no bad thoughts, Until one day, bad thoughts start to enter their heart.
Now it's starting in their heart.

Now that person has the choice, to either cast it off or follow it thru.to it's fullest discloser on the outside.

So does God know beforehand, what a person is going to do ?

No, only until it's found in their heart, Then God knows their intention of their heart, Whether it's good or bad.

If a person walks around hateing, Then it's in their heart to hate, So God searches the intention of their heart is to hate.
So everything starts in the heart first, Then when the hate has over taken their heart, Then the hate starts to show its fullest discloser on the outside, This is when things really start to happen.

So is God Omniscient, As in knowing all things beforehand, No, not until, good or bad intentions are found in the heart. Then God see into the heart, to know what exactly are the intentions of the heart. Whether they are bad or good intentions.
Let's take the book of Ezekiel 28:15, for a good example.
"You was perfect in your ways from the day that you was created, till iniquity was found in you"

As you can see, God did not know that Lucifer had any iniquity in him, Till Iniquity was found in him, his heart.
So how is God Omniscient ?
As people say?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Please show the scripture that tells God admits He has done mistake?
Sure.
1 Samuel 15:11
"I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions." Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the LORD all that night.

Genesis 6:6
The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
Personal regret indicates a reaction to something one did. So, ask yourself; why would anyone regret something they did right? They wouldn't. So the only thing they would regret is something they did wrong. And what do we commonly call things we do wrong? Mistakes. God says he made a mistake in making Saul king, and he admits he made a mistake in making human beings on the earth.

Conclusion: God ain't perfect, and he admits it, but at least he's got honesty going for him here.

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budha3

Member
The Book of Mormon says this:

O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it. (2 Nephi 9:20)

I know that's not the Bible, but FYI nevertheless.
God is Omnipotent, and so were we when we entered into the light
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
The Book of Mormon says this:

O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it. (2 Nephi 9:20)

I know that's not the Bible, but FYI nevertheless.
So why didn't he know he was making a mistake when he made Saul king? (see post 34)

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InChrist

Free4ever
Is God Omniscient as people are being taught in the churches that God is Omniscient, When there is no where in the Bible that makes this claim?
I believe God is Omniscient. He dwells in eternity outside of human time: past, present, and future. He sees it all at once as the scripture says...

Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done
,Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure (Isaiah 46:9-10)

God is Omniscient

Yet, God has purposefully given human beings free will. It is fallacious to imagine that for God to be in control of His universe He must foreordain and initiate everything. This actually denies God's omniscience and omnipotence to suggest that God cannot foreknow and control what He doesn’t foreordain and cause.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
You can't be Serious.

Exactly who told you that a person can not have the hairs on their head numbered.

Seeing you have no idea or clue, What the book of Luke 12:7, is about, all because you would rather listen to some Pastor that hasn't a clue or idea themselves what
Luke 12:7 is about themselves.

Had you back up to the beginning of Chapter 12 and pick up what the subject and Article is about. Then you might have something. But seeing it's obvious that you didn't.

Christ Jesus is letting his disciples and the people who are there, Not to fear or worry, that God has not forgotten them, That not even one sparrow is forgotten by God.

But even the very hairs of your head are numbered, showing that God has not forgotten those who are his.

Which has nothing to do with God as being omniscient.
But has everything to do with, that God does not forget those, who are his.

As the very hairs on your head are numbered, So are those of God are numbered like the very hair of your head are numbered.

Pastors, Preachers will say, look that of
Luke 12:7 shows God as being omniscient.
That God knows everything about you before you do anything God knows what your going to do, before you do anything.

Which is totally false and a lie.

There is nothing in Luke Chapter 12 that gives indication that God is all knowing.

Luke 12 shows that God does not forget those who are his people.

Like parents, they don't forget who are their children, So it is with God, that God does not forget who is children are either.

So like the hairs on your very head are numbered, Stands in symbolic to those who are numbered of God's.
Matthew is even more straight forward.
Matthew 10:26
“So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. "
Matthew 10:39
30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

You choose to not take it literal to suit your interpretarion. I just posted what the verse says.

Here is another same concept, Psalm 147:4-5
"He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit."

Was David wrong in Psalm 139:1-4?
"You have searched me, LORD, and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways. Before a word is on my tongue you, LORD, know it completely."
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I believe God is Omniscient. He dwells in eternity outside of human time: past, present, and future. He sees it all at once as the scripture says...

Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done
,Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure (Isaiah 46:9-10)

God is Omniscient

Yet, God has purposefully given human beings free will. It is fallacious to imagine that for God to be in control of His universe He must foreordain and initiate everything. This actually denies God's omniscience and omnipotence to suggest that God cannot foreknow and control what He doesn’t foreordain and cause.

Do you have any idea or clue, What God is talking about when he said ( Remember the former things of old, from ancient times that are not yet done)

Can you explain this, when was the former things of old, from ancient times ?

No one's refuting that God dwells in eternity outside of human time.

What is being refuted, God as being Omniscient, which is a false teaching.

There is no where in the Bible that God as being all knowing.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Matthew is even more straight forward.
Matthew 10:26
“So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. "
Matthew 10:39
30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

You choose to not take it literal to suit your interpretarion. I just posted what the verse says.

Here is another same concept, Psalm 147:4-5
"He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit."

Was David wrong in Psalm 139:1-4?
"You have searched me, LORD, and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways. Before a word is on my tongue you, LORD, know it completely."

There is nothing there to indicate that God as being all knowing,

You haven't a clue, what Matthew 10:30, means "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered" have you any idea what it means ?
There is nothing there to indicate God as knowing all things.
 
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